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Gold N Device (Air Force)

Dear EricSerge,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_W._Wilson

on this article, which I created (that IP is me), you can see that the next VCSAF wears a gold letter N on his NDOSM, what about creating such a graphic? I mean like for "other_device=n|", because I think we will see quite some more of these in the future... Sent this to GeckoG as well. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to do it myself...

Thanks, many greetings,

claudevsq (talk) 14:16, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

@Claudevsq:, I am working on it now. I should be done soon. Cheers. EricSerge (talk) 16:38, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks so much! Greetings, claudevsq (talk) 18:04, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 Done EricSerge (talk) 22:50, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks again for making the background transparent. Looks good!

Greetings, claudevsq (talk) 07:19, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

RfC Dutch/Netherlands Lion

User:EricSerge, you might be interested in this RfC. Thank you. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 14:37, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

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OBE

Sorry about that. I was rushed off to the real world just about the time I should have checked that the changes worked, or I would have reverted them myself. Thanks for doing it for me! Britmax (talk) 18:49, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Glad to be of assistance. If figured it was an oversight. Cheers. EricSerge (talk) 18:51, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

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Orders, decorations, and medals of the Russian Federation

Hi! Salut! Guten tag... Thanks for partially fixing the mess created with the title of the article Awards and decorations of the Russian Federation. I don't know why it was changed to Russia and then only partially brought back to Russian Federation, but the awards are those of the Russian Federation. Either somebody is having fun, doesn't understand the difference between the Russian Federation and the Commonwealth of Independent States, or this is vandalism... But the title was correct, and is now wrong. The article should either be called Orders, decorations, and medals of the Russian Federation or List of Orders, decorations, and medals of the Russian Federation. I've seen articles where you could change the coding but then somebody else had to OK the changes for them to take effect and be visible to the general population, what is the procedure to start such a protocol? This is getting stupid. Fdutil (talk) 03:04, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Howdy Sir!. I moved it back to this page name figuring that it was back closest to a consensus name. The page was originally moved to List of orders, decorations, and medals of Russia on 4 March 2014 [1]. I think this was primarily done to follow the WP:COMMONNAME for Russia. Then the page was moved to Orders, decorations, and medals of the Russia to match the consistency for other country's ODM articles. However, the sloppy addition of the article hosed that up. I am sorry I did not notice it sooner. If you think we need to move it further from "Russia" to "Russian Federation" to promote better understanding of the article's subject matter, I could be convinced of that. However, at this point I don't see where one could be confused about the subject matter. EricSerge (talk) 02:20, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
As I stated in a few other places, naming these articles with RUSSIA vice RUSSIAN FEDERATION is, in my humble opinion, a political statement akin the way people used to call the USSR Russia or Soviet citizens Russians. Every single establishment decree and order, every single award criteria I translate from the Kremlin or Russian Gazette web sites (among multiple others) specifically say Russian Federation. RUSSIAN FEDERATION is coined on the reverse of every single medal (see photo below). This is the same as naming the article Orders, decorations, and medals of the Soviet Union to Orders, decorations, and medals of Communist Russia. You talk of a consensus. Funny that after creating and upgrading so many articles on the subject over many years on three different language Wikis that I learn of this like this. Don't you find it a bit odd to name the articles with RUSSIA when every single sentence in the entire articles don't? Fdutil (talk) 18:30, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Addenda - Don't you also find it odd that every related article on Russian Wikipedia uses the term Russian Federation and NOT Russia? Fdutil (talk) 19:34, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, the inconsistency between the different language Wikipedia projects can be staggering at times. I suppose it is the difference in the organic growth of the policies and practices of the different editor cohorts. Here is what I see from my point of view. Russian Federation is the same as calling the US the United States of America. Sure, United States of America is the full name of the country but most times United States is used for brevity. In looking at a United Nations list [2] you can see what I am talking about. They list the full official name of the countries, but put the short name or common name in boldfaced type. I can assure you I have no agenda that I am aware of. EricSerge (talk) 16:57, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi again. I believe you 100% when you say you have no agenda on the matter, that's why I contacted you. I knew when I opted to share my years of research here vice publishing books or doing my own extensive web sites would open everything to each of the Earth's individual would be editor but I must admit at feeling quite frustrated at times. Like when morons using on line translators believe they are actually improving on serious work from multilingual researchers... When individuals with political agendas change Russian "motherland" or "homeland" to "fatherland knowing darn well this is wrong. *SIGH* Merry XMas! I'll crawl back under my rock... Fdutil (talk) 19:37, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Got a question for you. Do you know many people on Wiki who can make changes that do not show up in the article history? Some joker just changed 2 page titles and related links in other articles but the changes do not appear anywhere. Fdutil (talk) 04:12, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
@Fdutil:, there are some folks who have those tools where they can remove edits that are defamatory, copyvios, or the like. What articles are you talking about? EricSerge (talk) 17:33, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
This Awards_of_the_Ministry_of_Internal_Affairs_of_Russia was renamed... Try finding the edit history. Fdutil (talk) 21:36, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

That is odd. What was the original page name, do you remember? EricSerge (talk) 21:49, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Odd indeed... And whoever did this was quite thorough... It was named Awards of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. Fdutil (talk) 21:34, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

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Named reference issue on Puerto Ricans in World War I

EricSerge, thanks for all your work. I was referencing Puerto Ricans in World War I and noted it has multiple definitions for the named reference HMPR. Do you have time to sort it out? Thanks! Kjtobo (talk) 16:45, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

@Kjtobo: I think I sorted out the reference error. I do not have the source so I cannot see if there are further pages that need to be referenced. Cheers. EricSerge (talk) 00:13, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

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Converting DLA/DOD five-digit color codes into RGB values

Howdy! How do you read the five-digit color codes found on DOD/DLA PDFs and convert them into RGB (or hex/PMS) values? – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 04:50, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

I found a resource somewhere in the ether of the interwebs that converted the cable color codes to the PMS colors. I am at work at the moment and if I remember that resource is blocked from here. I will see if I can find it for you later today. BTW, nice job on the PNG --> SVG conversions. I could never figure out how to do the SVG nicely. EricSerge (talk) 13:30, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. I left you a message on the 'V' device talkpage; need some clarification on some details. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 19:24, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
@Illegitimate Barrister: here is what I have been using: [3]. EricSerge (talk) 15:27, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Odd, I used that as a basis and followed the DLA's specifications in making this ribbon, but the end result looks all wrong for some reason. Don't know why that is, since that page's colors and the DLA specs look great for other ribbons. Perhaps the manufacturers have just been making them wrong all this time. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 20:40, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Yeah that doesn't look right at all. When you look at the streamer dimensions below they match what you typically see for the ribbon. That's odd how out of whack the spec sheet is to what is actually produced. EricSerge (talk) 21:59, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I used the streamer's dimensions and it looks much better, more like the ones in photographs. However, the shade of gold looks really weird, even though it's what's prescribed on the specs sheet. I suppose when seen in person, printed on fabric with light shining on it, it'll probably look different from what it'd look like on an LCD monitor. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 02:32, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
There is color shift due to lighting and the Moiré patterning. Perhaps the conversion sheet is off? If you search Wikipedia you find Old gold and by the RGB you come up with this: [4]. That looks closer to reality. EricSerge (talk) 02:41, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
Hmm, the color page you linked to me says Old Gold is PMS 871. I put PMS 871 onto the official Pantone website and it gives me this, which is what I'm using in the SVG. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 02:44, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
I got PMS 871 when I looked on that sheet. However, I see that if you search for "Old gold" on pantone, it comes up with two different colors: [5] [6]. So much for color being a science? EricSerge (talk) 02:51, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
Oops, that was a typo. Meant to say PMS 871, not 539. Anyway, I used the "Federal Standard" system's number given on that page and it looks much closer to the real thing. I guess the page might have its PMS number out of whack. I wish I could say that's the end of it, but different webpages are giving me different shades of gold for the same Federal Standard color number. For example, this and this are the same FS595 number, but have different RGB values. From what I hear, there's no way to 100% accurately convert FS-595 to RGB? If that's the case, then I'll just pick one of the RGB values and run with it. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 03:07, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

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Order of the Rising Sun

Dear Eric, how are you? I write to you because I do not know where to post it... See:

http://www8.cao.go.jp/shokun/en/orders-of-the-rising-sun.html

As you may know, a few years back, somebody changed all six classes to one and the same ribbon. I just wonder why and if it is correct? IMO, every class has got its own ribbon, just like all other orders, or was that changed? Thank you so much, claudevsq (talk) 16:41, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

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Question

Hi. I noticed that in the captions to ribbons on recent Australian Honours pages you have described them as "undress" ribbons, and I wondered why? Thanks in advance, Pdfpdf (talk) 08:15, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

@Pdfpdf: Perhaps you know better than I. It was my understanding that was a common way to refer to a "ribbon bar" or "service ribbon" through out the Commonwealth, following the British usage of the term since ribbons are worn in lieu of medal when in "undress" or a uniform that is less than full dress. I believe at that time I had recently been working with a source that referred to them as undress ribbons. EricSerge (talk) 16:07, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
I sincerely doubt I know better than anyone on the topic!! It's my (imperfect) understanding that "ribbon bar" and/or "service ribbon" is how it's referred to throughout the Commonwealth (etc.) - i.e. I am unfamiliar with, and have never heard of, the terminology "undress" ribbon. If you have no objection, I'd like to remove the word "undress". If you do object, can you supply a supporting reference (that we can quote to others)? Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:51, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Without objection. In scratching around the sources I was using were British or Canadian more than likely. If ribbon bar is a better common name for use in reference to Australia, then by all means, change it up. Cheers. EricSerge (talk) 12:41, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Pdfpdf (talk) 10:42, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

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Pierre de Villiers

Cher Eric,

en regardant cette photo, j'ai noté encore une décoration du Général de Villiers (voir croix en bas, à droite). Le ruban est rouge, comme tu vois, avec 2 thin black stripes on each end. J'ai vu des français sur Wiki qui ont la croix de valeur militaire du Zaïre, est-ce la bonne décoration?

http://i.f1g.fr/media/figaro/1280x580_crop/2016/12/21/XVM1653e82e-c789-11e6-a030-cff5af09f187.jpg

J'ai aussi fini les décorations pour Lecointre et j'ai crée William C. Mayville Jr. Merci pour ton travail merveilleux!

claudevsq (talk) 13:08, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

@Claudevsq: Bonjour Claude. Merci pour le message. Je trouve cette website: https://cm.ambafrance.org/Visite-au-Cameroun-du-general-d-armee-Pierre-de-Villiers-chef-d-etat-major-des
Je crois ce l'Ordre de Valeur du Cameroun. Merci pour ton travail merveilleux! J'aime travailler avec vous. EricSerge (talk) 14:00, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Merci beaucoup, pareillement. C'est possible que c'est une déco cameroonaise. Un bonjour!

N.B.: J'ai lu l'article, vous avez raison. Merci d'avoir changé le ruban. Dommage que la rosette d'officier y manque.

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Henry H. Arnold

Cher Eric,

Bonjour!

Merci d'avoir identifié le ruban de la McKay Trophy pour Arnold. Mais il n'a pas reçu la médaille du mérite militaire, 1ère classe, mais l'ordre mexicain du mérite (militaire), chevalier d'après la photo. En tout cas, vous pouvez bien voir le ruban correspondant sur la photo d'Arnold. Il est tout noir, avec au milieu, verticalement, rouge-blanc-vert (couleurs du drapeau). Si vous pourriez créer ce ruban, car moi, je ne sais malheureusement pas du tout comment le faire.

Encore merci pour votre co-opération, claudevsq (talk) 20:03, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

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Hello Eric - thank you for reverting my edit to Gulf War military awards where I screwed up the application of anchors. I can't explain why I didn't check it properly before I pressed save. I've reapplied the anchors and added some redlinks, in order to harmonise the page with the disambiguation page Kuwait Liberation Medal. Regards, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:45, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

No worries. I was glad to be of assistance. We have all hit save without previewing from time to time. I will see if I can find some reliable sources and build articles for the other Liberation Medals. EricSerge (talk) 09:44, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

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