User talk:Dutchguy
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7,62mm Mauser
[edit]...none of the other weapon caliber pages use commas. This was a really foolish page move which created many redirect problems. Some guy 01:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Answer:I understand that some people can be upset by this correction. But the cartridge in question was never called 7.62 x 57 mm Mauser by anyone before. From it’s inception it was called 7,92x57 mm Mauser, and that’s how the article should be called logically. My experience, professional and otherwise, is also that most Americans are unaware or disbelieving that comma is the preferred ISO decimal separator, even if the decimal point is understandably tolerated for the time being under the weight of American and Japanese economical interest – see ISO 31-0. Also, names should not be changed, and substituting points for commas is not acceptable if commas were in the designation from the beginning. As stupid as it would be to call an article about the .308 Winchester 0,308 Winchester, for example! So, somebody has to take the bull by the horns, and by doing so, someone will inevitably get upset, and it won’t necessarily make only friends!
- Hello Dutchguy. The standard usage in both British and American English (in which the Wikipedia is written) is the decimal point, not the comma. In German and Dutch, the measurement uses the comma. ISO 31-0 now also recognizes the decimal point. Of course, the original German designation of the ammunition may be mentioned as a footnote, but I don't think it's appropriate to change the whole article. I am a translator (of both German and Dutch) and have to change measurements, times, and punctuation into forms of English standard usage all the time, regardless of their original designations or naming conventions. Tot straks, Twalls 08:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- I quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style ... "The Wikipedia rule for commas and periods in numbers is, for example 12,345,678.901 — contrary to Continental style."
Furthermore if we are talking about original designations - why isn't the Federov Avtomat name depicted in the Cyrillic alphabet? I do agree with you on it not being an assault rifle, by the way. Twalls 08:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
- The Wikipedia manual of style is in project stage, and I do contribute on it by pointing out what the norms are saying, but it gets routinely wiped out by those who refuse to know about it. The idea that ISO recognizes the decimal point is a false rumor fueled by wishful thinking of nostalgics of the good old days. ISO 31-0 merely mentions the use of decimal points as a fact in note 17, and, like SI, uses this fact to explain why neither points nor commas should be used as number grouping symbols. Fact remains that comma is the preferred decimal separator. I don’t speak Russian, so I am not able to add terms in Cyrillic; I stick to things I do know about, like guns and norms I’ve personally red. Groeten, Dutchguy 15:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Fedorov Avtomat
[edit]Please go read Wikipedia:Verifiability. You're violating one of the three core Wikipedia policies with your claims of the Fedorov Avtomat being a battle rifle, not to mention putting in a factual error. Ergbert 05:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Dutchguy,
Continually adding the same text to this page when several users have reverted it is against our policies on consensus. Regardless of the rights or wrongs of your contribution, it's clearly controversial, and must be discussed on the talk page first. Otherwise you are in danger of getting blocked, which would be a shame as it's clearly a well-intentioned edit.
Stephen Turner (Talk) 10:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Image:FedorovMechanismSchematic.JPG
[edit]Hello! can you upload this image to wikipedia Commons so this image can be used in other wikipedia projects? i was trying to use in the russian wiki and it dont seem to work.. Do you know why is that? thanks!--75.138.68.170 12:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
