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Spellsinger reverts

Rich, your bot added a link to The Weavers in the article that I've written. I've removed the link as the Weavers in Spellsinger are a group of sentient spiders, the one you linked to are a folk group. Hope you don't mind me sorting that out. Douglasnicol 18:31, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, not me but you! No problem. P.S. Generally add new sections to the bottom of talk pages. Rich Farmbrough 13:44 13 March 2006 (UTC).

WikiProject South Park

I have thought of creating a WikiProject for South Park since it is now near its' 10th anniversary and has more articles than ever. I feel we could all do the following things through this project:

  • Cleanup any short/poorly written/unformatted articles
  • Merge/lengthen the many character articles
  • Improve the South Park main page

I have seen your South Park fan template and wondered if you were interested in joining. If so reply to my talk page and I'll get back to you as quick as I can. Thanks, Mr. Garrison

Season 6 and beyond South Park

I'm creating a page for the project right now. {{spoiler}} The only main events are: Kenny returns in Red Sleigh Down, Wendy breaks up with Stan, Mr. Slave sticks Paris Hilton up his butt, the boys meet Michael Jackson and Kenny takes off his parka, Mr. Garrison has a sex change. Mr. Slave leaves Mrs. Garrison because of this, Chef is killed. Mr. Garrison 18:17, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

PS: Try YouTube, it's a free video website. Type in your keywords and videos come up. Here's some good episodes to watch (well in my opinion):

WikiProject South Park page

We have our own page! Wikipedia:WikiProject South Park. Be sure to list your name in the members section. Mr. Garrison 18:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Ayrshire Railways

Hi Douglas thanks for the message. Funny you should mention the Ardeer station as I created a page for it the other day at Ardeer Platform after visiting the site (the platform is still there). I've put a link to it under the stations on the Ayrshire Coast Line page. The unofficial project sounds good, I've been in two minds about the industrial branches, I know the K&TR has quite a few, perhaps a mention of them on the main Kilmarnock and Troon Railway page would be enough? Or perhaps they belong more on the Glasgow South Western Line page? Dreamer84 13:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Douglas, yeah the branch is the one on the steep curve just next to the old Nylon Works bridge. Actually in that Old Stevenston book the the line is visible on the big two-page spread of the Nylon Works: it's the single fenced off track that starts right in the bottom left hand corner and goes under another bridge into Ardeer. That track is still there about as far as that bridge, but the rest is gone, and it's only been gone for less than six years. The platform ends just before the mini-roundabout near the current Nobel House. You can just barely see it on the aerial photos at Live Local, and you can trace the track (which was still there at the time the photos were taken, sometime in 2000) right back to the main line. You might enjoy that website if you're not already familiar with it, some great stuff can be seen. The station in the book is almost certainly the same place, except the wooden platform must have been replaced with concrete at some point.
Finally, about this so called 'Garnock site' the book mentions. The only thing I can think of is it refers to the branch you mentioned earlier on the other side of the River Garnock coming off the Irvine line. The branch can also be seen on the above overhead photos, and there's something that resembles an island platform at the end of it, but it could just as easily be a pile of dirt! Dreamer84 19:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Cunninghamhead

Hi Douglas, I don't know if you're familar with the Cunninghamhead article but I'd appreciate you having a look at the page and giving your view on the problems I've talked about on it's talk page. Thanks! - Dreamer84 20:33, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I have posted my thoughts are on Talk:Cunninghamhead, Perceton and Annick Lodge#The point of this article. I think it needs work to edit this one large article into a series of what could become excellent articles. Stewart 21:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Ayr to Mauchline

Yep the line is the one that heads out east from Ayr through St. Quivox (where the former Auchincruive railway station) was. --Dreamer84 15:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Proposal

Hello

I was wondering if you were interested in a new proposed WikiProject. It is called Tranport around Glasgow and Edinburgh. The proposal can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Transport around Glasgow and Edinburgh. For the temp page, see User:Simply south/WikiProject Transport around Glasgow and Edinburgh. I was referred to you by Pencefn btw. Simply south 22:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Stll expanding, proposal nearly the same, put it as a new project. Sorry if it still looks like a mess. I have never done a WikiProject before and the proposal went awry. I'm not sure i know much about transport around Scotland either but i can do some things on the project. Simply south 11:41, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Therefore, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Transport in Scotland. I willl copy rthe names across momentarily. Simply south 11:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Prestwick Airport Railway Station

I noticed you took out the 'International' part of the name. This debate has been going on in the Airport wiki page, and the airport website is www.gpia.com, (Glasgow Prestwick International Airport), it seems to be part of the official name. Just thought you might want to know. Douglasnicol 00:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for the raincheck.
I was concious that there was inconsistency between what was on the signs are the station and the various names that the station was being refered to. My feeling was that the name to be used was that displayed on the railway station sign, not what was displayed on the terminal building. --Stewart 09:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Ayr Railway Station and Hotel

I was wondering whether the entry for Ayr Railway station should encompass any details on the hotel next to it. While the hotel has recently been cited as closed, it has changed ownership quite a few times in the past and it is possible it will be bought over. However, given its site it is fair to assume that the hotel was once owned by the railways and therefore falls under the umbrella of this project. Douglasnicol 21:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry missed this until now. Sure, if there's anything available to write about the hotel then it could go under the railway station article. --Dreamer84 17:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

A Few things

Since we've decided that Gailes Railway station is situated practically where the level crossing is now, I added a not with an external link about the crash on Friday.

What I originally was going to ask about was the merging of part of the Caley and G&SWR lines at ICI. If you've read "Ayrshires Last Days of Steam" you'll notice that it says when the Caledonian section of the line was cut, it was 'attached' to the main G&SWR line at the sidings at ICI. Is it worth mentioning this or somehow integrating this into the track diagrams? Douglasnicol 16:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

The 'attachment' that was built was mentioned by me in the Lanarkshire and Ayrshire Railway article somewhere I think. Not worth adding into the diagrams as, for the moment, the diagrams I've been creating are only reflecting a certain period of time (eg my GPK&AR is 1846, L&AR is 1905, K&TR is 1846). I think the mention is sufficient for now, though I think I'll expand on it slightly since its kind of vague at the moment.
Here's a question for you though, on a related note: any idea why Saltcoats station was renamed 'Saltcoats Central' in the 1950s? We know Saltcoats North closed in 1932 then reopened shortly after for limited services, but was it still seeing enough use in 1952 to warrant a name change of the original station? --Dreamer84 17:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

GPK&AR line lifted?

In your sandbox3 you say that the line was lifted in 1987. I think that may have been wrong as when I was in the Irvine ATC, we did the hike for our Duke of Edinburgh's award along a small part of that route and by that time there was no trace of track. Douglasnicol 15:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Its all a bit vague, the RAILScot site has pictures of a single track still existing as far as Crosshouse in 1987 (apparently as some kind of very long siding), but theres also a photo looking beyond Crosshouse facing north taken at the same time, with a caption mentioning that the line was "recently lifted". Of course recently could mean a few months or a few years beforehand. Can't find any concrete published date sadly. --Dreamer84 15:35, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Closed stations on Ayr-Stranraer

I'm really not too sure on handling the infoboxes, I've tried to do a starter on the Ayr Railway station entry here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayr_railway_station#External_links

How does it look? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Douglasnicol (talk • contribs) 21:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

I've edited it slightly to add the correct company colours, turn the direction around, and also to fix some errors in the existing station boxes that I did a while ago. Apart from that it was fine. --Dreamer84 21:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:V/WP:CONSENSUS

Actually, it's vice-versa, I've disputed the accuracy of the infobox, it's not intended for usage on none-spacefarring objects. Unless you can provide a verifiable source as per WP:NOR you should not re-add the infobox as it is disputed content. Best, Matthew 13:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Brush up on the MoS and sourcing guidelines/policies then. Matthew 13:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
You mean creating something like Template:Infobox Land Vehicle? I don't have a problem with it, give me call if you need any help. Matthew 13:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
What about: Propulsion -> Acceleration? Matthew 13:39, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Space 1999 photos

I'm not sure what's up with the photos disappearing. It could be they are being scrutinized for copyright, but I don't know. I'll add myself to a few of them as "watch this page" and see what happens. Mokwella 00:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Calmac

Perhaps the most elegant Calmac ship..

Hi, nice to see your interest in the Queen Mary and other ex-Calmac vessels like the Waverley and, no doubt, the Pie-and-beans. Look forward to your works with interest, will try to divert myself onto it a little. Oh, and don't forget commons:Category:Caledonian MacBrayne.. .. dave souza, talk 01:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment, I'm envious that you can remember a trip on the Queen Mary. For some reason the occasional Clyde cruises of my youth were on the Waverley and possibly the Jeannie Deans. When Waverley was threatened we made a special visit to take what could have been one of the last trips on her, and left from Gourock pier with the Queen Mary berthed there. As it turned out, the Waverley was then sold to the preservation society, and we never got around to sailing on the Queen Mary – the next time I saw her she was laid up in harbour, as shown in the photo. When I said most elegant Calmac ship that was with the post-1973 company in mind, and agree that many of the earlier steamers were very elegant indeed. On a newer note, have just taken some photos of the Argyle so will try to upload a couple shortly. Don't know about the Clansman, McCrorie's fairly recent book describes her as the first of the new breed of ships to revert to a traditional name. Your best bet for finding about her predecessors is perhaps the website. All the best, .. dave souza, talk 23:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
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The Argle

Hi, that's me getting round to adding some pics – will also look out some older ones, and keep trying with the Argyle for as long as it's around. "The Kingdom of MacBrayne" sounds pretty good, the reference I have is CalMac Ferries by Ian McCrorie, which is a bit more limited, but does me fine. .. .. dave souza, talk 20:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

S:1999

I added a keep, you should probably add one as well. Thanks for giving me a heads up! Matthew 17:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

User:AlexNewArtBot

Hi Douglasnicol/Archive 1, as a WikiProject Scotland participant, please check out this this thread and consider adding the bot results page to your watchlist so we can manually update the New Articles page. There are some false results for the first batch, but I'm sure we can collectively tune the rules to improve the output.

If we get enough people watching the results page, we'll be cooking with gas as they say :)   This looks like a great helper in finding new Scotland related material. Cheers. --Cactus.man ✍ 01:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

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Ardrossan North Railway Station

I was wondering if the historical rail insert might be needing updated. According to the Stansfield book there was a link between the site of Ardrossan North and Winton Pier. Indeed, long after the Caledonian line was lifted, there was still a spur line that came from the active end of the harbour and reached up to the bridge near Ardrossan North, I think it was a spur line and a series of sidings that were being used for the Shell facility. Douglasnicol 20:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Bit of an iffy one this. Yes there was a link at Ardrossan Harbour between the two lines, but, as far as I know, there's no evidence to suggest that passenger trains ever ran to Winton Pier via Ardrossan North or any other former L&AR station. Indeed there would be no need for it with the Ardrossan Railway already going that way (the only possible reason I could think of is if work was being done on the main line post-1923 and they needed a diversionary route). So having the historical rail insert saying "Next station... Winton Pier" from Ardrossan North would, to me, be a bit of a misnomer. The Ardrossan Railway route map reflects the connection, and the Lanarkshire and Ayrshire Railway map could be updated to show the same thing, but I think the most the Ardrossan North railway station article should have is a mention in the text (which it vaguely already does). --Dreamer84 21:18, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure if you have the Stansfield book, but here's what it says...
"This section of the line was opened in 1890 and was constructed in order to give the Caledonian Railway Company access to Ardrossan's Winton Pier station prior to the construction of the Caledonians own station at Montgomerie Pier. The line continued in use for passengers until the withdrawal of services to Montgomerie Pier in 1968. Like many other stretches of line during the First World War, services from the pier were suspended from 1 January 1917 until 1 February 1919".
As I say, the line also continued in use as a spur from the G&SWR end to the Shell depot until electrification when that part of the line was lifted.
I do have the book, its good, even though I can pick out an error on practically every third page or so! (my favourite is on page 28 where Kilbirnie is referred to as Kilwinning, twice!) I know the line still existed to serve Shell Mex, but there were no stations there by that point so that wouldn't go in the station boxes. I stand corrected on passenger services running on the line, but various sources indicate that Montgomerie Pier station was opened in 1890 as well, so providing all dates are accurate it would have been used to access Winton Pier for a matter of months before the station opened.
Stansfield does say it was used for passenger traffic though, so if you really want to add the connection to the station boxes then feel free. If we're going to include this then we should probably also add Kilwinning to the Montgomerie Pier article, to reflect the 1947-1965 link near Ardeer (presuming the 'North' and Moorpark stations had finally closed in 1947!).--Dreamer84 22:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I've got that book too, and all the 'Old ....' books for the three towns. It seems to be a curse of Stenlake Publishing that nobody seems to proof-read their books, so they all have various errors in them. One off the top of my head is in the Old Ardrossan book, where a photo of Montgomerie Pier station has a caption claiming that the Caledonian and LMS were rivals in 1905! Will try get a few more Stansfield ones to you if I get a chance. :-)

I think we can assume that those stations were "officially" closed by 1947. The Stansfield book is the only source I've ever seen for the stations reopening, everything else states 1932 as closure. Incidently the book refers to the reason of the stations' reopening as being because of "Caledonian's new 'Evening Breathers' service': error alert, Caledonian didn't exist in 1933! So either it was the LMS that ran the "Evening Breathers" service, or it was Caledonian at an earlier date and the stations never actually reopened.

There's a picture of Saltcoats North in the Stansfield book from the mid-50s with a smashed up ticket office that doesn't look very open. A (very interesting) film of the last train to run on the line shows that by 1965 there was nothing but some grassy platforms remaining. --Dreamer84 23:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi guys - a thought about the reference to the Caledonian, maybe this refered to the Caledonian Steam Packet shipping services, as a predessor to CalMac - just a thought. --Stewart 05:49, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
That's probably it Stewart. Not made very clear in the book in question though, as it refers to 'Caledonian' meaning the Railway Company just a few sentences beforehand. --Dreamer84 12:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
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