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Nomination of Other Goddess Circle for deletion

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Well. DayakSibiriak (talk) 03:48, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:The Other Goddess Circle

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Some baklava for you!

Thanks for writing this article! b uidhe 04:05, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bir yıldız da sizin için!

	Hizmetli Yıldızı
	Keep your good words on Tengrism. Beshogur (talk) 16:25, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Çok teşekkürler, many thanks. DayakSibiriak (talk) 22:45, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your hard work

Hello. I want to thank you for your hard work on various articles that you have rewritten using reliable, academic sources in Russian and English language (for instance, "Tengrism"). I wonder if you can help with other articles, for which there are a lot of Russian-language sources which, unfortunately, I am unable to read (for instance, "Bazhovism" and "Ivanovism", which are currently rather incomplete articles, and other articles about religions of Russia). Just one constructive hint: Pay more attention to translation into English, as I have seen various errors. For instance, aliran kapercayaan in Indonesian means "ethnic beliefs" or "gentile beliefs", not "branches of belief", which is a rather nonsense wording. I hope you will continue with your rich contributions!--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 12:02, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good day. Thanks a lot for your attention to my contribution. Of course there are errors in English. But not in the case of Aliran kepercayaan. I'm sure. "Branches of belief(s)" is a literal translation; an option "Flows of belief(s)" is also found in academic works. And this concept in Indonesia covers the ethnic religions, as well as new sects that arose in Indonesia, and even the western Theosophical Society in Indonesia. And specifically only for ethnic local religions there are terms kepercayaan adat and agama suku, agama asli. DayakSibiriak (talk) 15:26, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Judaism

I just wanted to express my appreciation for your latest edits on the Judaism article. Debresser (talk) 12:43, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well. Thank You. DayakSibiriak (talk) 00:37, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mačuda

Hello DS. Thank you for having added Mačuda's paper, it is a good source. It is a monograph about Rodnovery in Russia. I can't access the full text. Does he also discuss Rodnovery in Czechia and the "Rodna Vira" organisation of Richard Bigl?--Æo (talk) 18:52, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Yes, also. Together with one more source (Giuseppe Maiello's article in Pomegranate, 2018, vol. 20, no. 2) I'm going to add not long text on Czechia. Only G. Maiello himself is a native Italian scholar, which have moved to Czechia and follows Slavic Rodnovery. Expect, no problem as secondary source. DayakSibiriak (talk) 06:04, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I already read your edits in past months and noted the good quality. Remember to report the precise pages if the work has numbered pages; I have seen you have missed them for some of the new additions.--Æo (talk) 11:31, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And thank you for their corrections and your own contributions. DayakSibiriak (talk) 01:50, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Jewish barnstar

		The Jewish Barnstar
		For you many high-quality improvements to Jewish religious movements and other Judaism-related articles. Debresser (talk) 15:09, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot Debresser for this, for the attention of colleagues on the subject and control of the named articles. DayakSibiriak (talk) 01:42, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Siberian shamanic Rodnovery

Hello. Responding to your suggestion in the object of this edit, I think that "Siberian shamanic Rodnovery" (which now has the line about Bulgarians inspired by Tengrism, i.e. Siberian shamanism) should not fall under the section of "ethnic Rodnoveries" together with Slavic tribal, Meryan and Ossetian types, since Siberian shamanism is interethnic and Rodnovers inspired to it are not recreating specific ethnic identities (i.e. "we are Kriviches", "we are Meryans"...) together with the religious identities.--Æo (talk) 19:21, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good day. Yes, now clear about specific Krivich and Meryan. But Bulgarian Tengrism is the same—"we are the Turks-Bulgars and not Slavs-Bulgarians". In eddition, you yoursef know that Siberian shamanism is not only Tengrist (i.e. Turkic-Mongolic religion), but can be Uralic, Chukotko-Kamchatkan, and other. That's why more exectly nor do identification the Russian Rodnovers shamanists with Tengrism which can be neither Siberian nor shamanic, but modern Tatar, Kyrgyz, Turkish etc. Thus, Russian shamanic Rodnovery is orienting to any shamanism in Russia: Turkic, Mongolik, Uralik, Chukotko-Kamchatkan, Nivkh, and other. DayakSibiriak (talk) 03:40, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but Tengrism is obviously an outgrowth and codification of general Siberian shamanism (which is "Shamanism" with capital letter, that which the term "shamanism" originally and most appropriately applies to), and Rodnovers, belonging to more or less the same geographical and cultural area of Siberian shamanism, are inspired by it rather than by non-Siberian shamanisms (South American "shamanism", et al.). Regarding the distinction "monotheism vs. polytheism" (to which you made reference in one of your recent comments' edit-summaries), I think it does not apply to Siberian shamanism and Asian religion in general, which has this vision of a supreme principle identified as Heaven which emanates all gods and all beings (emanationism). The distinction of monotheism and polytheism is mostly a Western construction especially enforced after Age of Enlightenment rationalism.--Æo (talk) 15:05, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can agree with the identification of their shamanasm as Siberian, especially if so in the sources. At the same time, modern Siberian shamanism cannot be reduced to Tengrism, i.e. only Turko-Mongolic. There is no evidence that some of the Russian Rodnovers are focused only on Turkic shamanism (Uralic for them is same source). Some of the Bulgarian ones, yes, but there is no evidence that they practice shamanistic Tengrism, and not modernized neoTengrism such as the Turkish or Tatar Tengrists. Let us more carefully with the notion Tengrism. DayakSibiriak (talk) 02:00, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shlyapentokh

Hello. WP:RSUE allows the use of non-English language sources. I'm obviously not against the addition of the English version of Shlyapentokh's article, this is not the reason why I reverted. The reason why I reverted is that the English version is not available online and we should add the precise page where the author supports the specific concept, not the entire interval of pages of the article (264–275).--Æo (talk) 15:27, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. The same with Maiello2018 you deleted. Links without a page number are not prohibited, especially if there is no reason not to trust the presence of information there. In EnWiki, English-language sources are preferred. And on the topic of Rodnovery, there are not so many of them to delete the ones I found. There is no problem if 2-3-4 sources are essentially duplicated in foreign languages and in English, if the English-language text is not available online. It is not available to us, but available to other readers. The English-speaking reader will have a choice. There is no risk of repeating the same duplication many more times. Let's complement the foreign sources without removing the English ones. In addition, it is good to support Slavic country scholars who publish some of their works in English. I suggest keeping Shlapentokh and Maiello's works. DayakSibiriak (talk) 08:17, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The references should be complete, and report the precise page where the information can be found, especially if the article is long and the pages are numbered (and usually long articles always have numbered pages, while short articles of 2-3 pages may not have numbered pages). Otherwise it is difficult to find where the information is located in the article and whether it can be found or not. Maiello 2018 can be added back, if it will be appropriately cited in the article; I removed it because I replaced it with his 2015 article that is readable online and of which I could make precise references to the pages.--Æo (talk) 19:05, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hindu theologians has been nominated for merging

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A note on your Yoga edits

Dear DayakSibiriak, many thanks for your good work on categorization. However, I've felt the need to oppose several undiscussed edits you have made to the yoga templates. These seem essentially to be replacing extremely well-known terms like Downward Dog and Surya Namaskar - known to hundreds of millions of people, possibly billions by now - with far more technical and less recognisable terms like "yoga series" and "standing asanas". That seems to me very clearly a retrograde step, making the navboxes less approachable, and without direct links to these major (and heavily visited, the evidence is there) pages, also less navigable. In other words, the edits directly reduced the quality of the navboxes, and of the project. I'm happy to discuss any changes on article or template talk pages (not here, it's not the right forum) but there are strong reasons not to go in the direction your edits have indicated. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:06, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well. About well-known asana names, maybe You are right. Only about the page Yoga series I don't understend stop of me, see its Talk page, and hope that general article on any yoga series will. DayakSibiriak (talk) 08:20, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks. I've added a note to Talk:Yoga_series#Surya Namaskar; the same in more detail, and cited, is at Surya Namaskar. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:23, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, you're doing it again. You must not add categories with an edit comment that sources exist. Well do they. Actual written proof is required, in the article body, complete with full citations o reliable sources, you know the score. Only then may you add a category that repeats the claim. I do hope this is clear as you repeated infringement is becoming disruptive. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:21, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Movement?

I saw you had added "movement" for Radha Soami sects in the Radha Soami article and the same is added in Shiv Dayal Singh article. I wonder how can it be called a movement? In my knowledge, movement is something bigger like Sant Mat movement. This is just a few sects originated from a person. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 12:07, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Partly agree. As you can see, some sources use the word "movement" (Jones&Ryan 2007), although another prefer "tradition" (Juergensmeyer&Lanse 2018), the "sect" is least neutral. In the lead definition, I have already changed to "tradition", I think it’s the golden mean. DayakSibiriak (talk) 15:12, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, tradition seems better. Thanks. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 17:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Modern yoga gurus

Hi, thanks for trying to improve Wikipedia. However, nobody should be added to Modern yoga gurus unless they are widely attested in multiple Reliable Sources to be a "Yoga guru" - the exact phrase.

It is not enough for a person to be well-known, to teach yoga, to write books, even to be charismatic, to have a following, to have invented a brand of meditation, etc etc.

It must be the exact phrase, cited repeatedly, by multiple sources. The citations must be in their article, supporting a directly written claim that they are a "yoga guru", and repeated in the article "Modern yoga gurus".

ONLY THEN may they be added to the template . I do hope this is clear. Chiswick Chap (talk) 04:52, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hellow. Thanks too for your control of this template. I expect, she is not a principal figure for the template. Only you can see in article about (Ching Hai#Quan Yin method), that her method was attributed as Surat Shabd Yoga-derived, she is one of few female gurus related to the contemporary Sant Mat movements (Radha Soami), which promote this kind of yoga. The template is not only on yoga sport. That's why better to include her name. After you. DayakSibiriak (talk) 05:34, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That is a very curious kind of thankyou, and you are making very heavy weather of a simple matter, a list membership criterion, which happens to be well-defined. However, the template is for modern "yoga gurus" ONLY. Unless you can *prove* from multiple WP:RS that she is widely acknowledged as a "yoga guru" then she is not one. The criterion is nothing to do with "yoga sport" (competitive yoga) - actually, none of the yoga gurus listed is a leader of "yoga sport" except perhaps Bikram Choudhury, and even for him it was a side issue; he is known as a "yoga guru" (yes, this EXACT phrase) for his teaching of yoga as exercise. Other gurus in the list taught devotional or other kinds of yoga; Sant Mat could be construed as Bhakti yoga. No, the criterion is that the person is agreed widely to be a "yoga guru" of Sant Mat or any other kind of yoga, and Ching Hai is not so described in multiple reliable sources. I do hope this is clear. Once again, the criterion is sharply defined and she does not meet it. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:56, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, Kriyananda does qualify as a reliably-reported "yoga guru", so I have added citations to his article, added him to the modern yoga gurus article, and left him in the template. I hope you can spot that this is back-to-front - the sources should have come first, then the articles, finally the template. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:04, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So think I. DayakSibiriak (talk) 17:26, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good. But I do not see multiple WP:RS out there for the claim that Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar is a "yoga guru". What sources can you provide for this? If the claim is correct we should easily be able to find three or more sources that say this; I've so far found none, and there are none in Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar - indeed, the claim isn't even made there! That is what I mean by back-to-front: the matter should be firmly established with multiple sources there, then with the sources in the modern yoga gurus article. Simply citing the Encyclopedia of Hinduism is not sufficient as we need definite proof of wide agreement here; it counts as one source. You should be clear that the evidence needs to be provided first; it is disruptive and a great waste of other editors' time to have to keep going over the basics. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:43, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Um, sorry but I'm seeing the same problem for Kripalvananda, we'd need multiple RS both in his article and in the MYG article, all the sources to say *in terms* that he was a "yoga guru"; if from an offline source then please supported in the ref with quotations also. You provided one source in MYG; his article doesn't even make the claim. We shouldn't need to be revisiting this same issue again and again. Many thanks for your understanding. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Good start. The prose needs work to make it more explanatory. Happy editing!

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@North8000: Thank you. DayakSibiriak (talk) 00:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I see you've contributed a lot to Indonesian literature, would you be interested in a taskforce on oral tradition? Kowal2701 (talk) 10:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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