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Doctor Doom

I found a book featuring the following quotes from Jack Kirby about the good doctor:

"Dr. Doom was the classic conception of death. It was the reason for the armor and the hood. Death is connected with armor and the inhuman-like steel. Death is something without mercy, and human flesh contains that mercy." (1987)

Doom is a paranoid. He thinks he's ugly and he wants the whole world to be like him. Paranoids are insane people who never get their way." (1976)

"He's a good-looking guy, and he only has a tiny scar on his cheek, but because he's such a perfectionist, he can't bear to see that imperfection. He isn't hiding his face from the public — he's hiding it from himself." (early 1970s, when he drew that sketch of Doom unmasked)

Good luck! Alientraveller (talk) 10:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

It's coming along neatly, but I thought it would be better not to have a characterization/personality section because writers have interpreted Doom so differently over the years: Doombots being a famous explanation for inconsistencies in his personality. That whole thing about Kirby intending Doom to be handsome except for a scar for Bryne turned him into Darkman would also be quite relevant to fill-up the publication history.

Another note is when time comes to fill up the "other media" section, it'd be preferrable to have an image of the scarred Julian McMahon. He rarely wore the mask in the films and it just epitomises the problems people had with his depiction. Alientraveller (talk) 10:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I can find some reviews of the films, (I recall one reviewer saying Movie Doom could only be camper with high heels and a feather boa). Here's an interview with Mark Waid on the biggest 2000s Doom story. http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=001050 http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=1041 I'll also revise the lead after the main work is done. Alientraveller (talk) 12:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey, nice work on the Doom article. I have the hardcover graphic novel of Unthinkable, that 2000s Doom story, and at the back, Waid has notes on the characters and his interpretations of them, including Doom. Some good characerization stuff for sure, you want me to type it up for you?  Paul  730 13:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Here ya go:

The most insecure man in the history of the world. That fool Reed Richards! He couldn't STAND the idea that the great Victor Von Doom was smarter and better than him, so in a fit of jealosy, that idiot tampered with Victor's machines and caused them to explode, scarring Victor's face and destroying his academic standing and blah blah blah. Doom can bitch until your ears bleed about how Reed MUST have sabotaged his calculations but it's pretty obvious to everyone — including, at his very core, Doom himself — that Reed was right and he was wrong and that proves Reed was smarter and so Doom will hate him with the heat of a white dwarf star until the end of time.

It's funny, and golly, I just can't explain it, but for some reason, ever since I moved to Florida, I've gained a whole new insight into the kind of man Doom is. Regardless of whom he's evaluating, there are only two measurements on Victor Von Doom's yardstick of success: Best and Worthless. He tells himself he's the lord of all he surveys, the rightful ruler of Earth, and the smartest being to ever walk the planet, but every single thing he does every waking moment of the day is about trying to convince himself that this is true when he knows it's not. (This, by the way, is magnificantly reflected in Doom's speech pattern, thank you, Stan; you can tell you've got Doom's voice "right" when every single sentence contains at least pompous adjective. Doom never has a plan, he has a BRILLIANT plan. He doesn't wear armor, he wears MIGHTY armor. And so forth and so on.) Guy can't even look in a mirror without being reminded of this. No wonder he's nuts. The only place he can be and not hate himself is in a world where there's proof that he's smarter than Reed Richards.

This is hardly A Great Insight, but the reason Doom became kind of a nation and wants to expand his sovereignty is because the most expediant way to fool yourself into believing you have power is to control everything you see and pretend that nothing else is important. Despite his rep, Doom doesn't really, genuinely believe that he's really the rightful ruler of humanity; it's the opposite. He believes that by becoming ruler, he will be instantly validated, that it will prove he is the best and smartest man alive, and all his doubts and insecurities will vanish. Some genius.

By the way, the truism that Victor Von Doom is, despite his villainy, a noble man is absolute crap, and I can point to about a thousand moments in Stan and Jack's run that bear this out. A man whose entire motivating force is jealosy is ridiculously petty, not grandly noble. Yes, Doom is REGAL, and yes, whenever possible, Doom likes to ACT as if he posesses great moral character, because to him that's what great men HAVE, and yes, we HAVE seen Doom exhibit a sense of honor from time to time —

—but when I hear Doom say it "does not SUIT him to" do this-and-such, what I hear is, "it has nothing to do with my hatred for Reed Richards, so it's not worth my time." Remember, most of the reportage we've heard about what Doom will or won't do COMES. FROM. DOOM. I think "Doom the Noble" would tear the head off a newborn baby and eat it like an apple while his mother watched if it would somehow prove he were smarter than Reed.

Why had even the pre-scarred Doom always been driven to be the smartest, the most clever, the best? Look at how he grew up! Gypsies are outcasts, derided and shunned; of course Doom grew up eager to prove himself.

Side note: that machine that Doom built to communicate with his dead mother, the one that blew up and scarred his face? I'm not convinced that in the half-second before it exploded Doom didn't see or hear something (literally) hellish that he's repressed ever since then but which is beginning to gnaw its way out of his subconscious.

Enjoy, I hope there's stuff in there you can use, I think Mark Waid is the best FF writer of all time, you should really read his run if you haven't already. There's similar notes for the FFers if you ever want help fixing up their articles.  Paul  730 23:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I wasn't trying to pressure you, like "you better do them all!", just saying there's more where that came from. Do you think you'll merge the "Doom in other media/alternate universes" articles into the main one? I know he's A-list, but with a bit of summarization, I think it could all be managed on one page easily. Jason Voorhees is gigantic, but it's the best character article I've read on Wikipedia.  Paul  730 23:50, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I didn't really contribute much to the Jason article, although I'm friends with the editor who wrote it. I was more involved in the rewrite of Michael Myers (Halloween), another favourite, mainly just contributing sources like I just did there with Doom. The only article I've mostly written myself is Faith (Buffy the Vampire Slayer), but that's not really finished yet. I noticed you implimented the Waid info... think you should include a tad more plot? There's quite an important story point about Doom switching tech for magic.  Paul  730 00:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi David, I don't mean to pester you on the infobox image, but could you please weigh in at the WikiProject talk page? There seems to be considerable disagreement that it's a Kirby image, so it would help if you could identify what source identifies it as such. Thanks! 204.153.84.10 (talk) 18:41, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Section break

Hmmm, we stopped for a while. It is tiring writing about such a prolific character. I'll continue sourcing and expanding the biography from all his deaths and resurrections from the 1980s. Alientraveller (talk) 12:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

That'd be a good standard to reach. Old comics aren't as complex as today. Alientraveller (talk) 21:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Nice work

Hey David, 'sup. I noticed this when you made a big edit to it and the bot reporting in the countervandalism IRC channel flagged it as a 'large edit'. I thought the was really cool, I'd be interested to know when you have it finished :) Peace, delldot on a public computer talk 04:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Very nice! I assumed you wouldn't mind me making a few minor tweaks, and I do have a couple minor comments, for you to consider or ignore as you wish :)

• "...network (ask someone to do it for you)[11] and to ask for assistance" - same thing
• "even I cannot write perfect English and interesting prose at the same time" - the jokingness of this might not be coming across enough. Maybe exaggerate more: "even one such as myself" or something
• dunno if you need to restate WP:FA? quite so much, I'd pare it down. We can at least hope that someone who's serious about it would have read it themselves ;-)
• The signature thing didn't come out in the last ref.

But yeah, I thought it was really good. I like how it's newbie friendly. Good of you to take the time to make it. delldot talk 14:01, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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Sorry for subject title, been playing TF2 all week. Anyway, Downloaded passed (finally), so we are ready and rolling. Will ^(talk) 01:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

adoption

hello. I was wondering if you would like to adopt me. I'm not as new as I used to be, and I need help. People keep yelling at me and I would like help as to be able to stop whatever I seem to be doing wrong. Can you help me?

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Request

A Castlevania Sorrow Series Featured Topic is one article away from nomination, and that is Alucard (Castlevania), and instead of waiting two months to nominate it, since I saw you are active reviewing video game articles, if you would give it a critique so we can have one sooner :) If you have time that is! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Alucard (Castlevania) GA review

Hey, I've made a try at addressing your comments at the aforementioned article. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 02:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door GA review

I think that I've addressed your comments. Thanks for the review, David. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 09:26, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

GT Advance Championship Racing GA Review

I've done my best to address the comments you listed on the talk page. Thanks a bunch for doing the review -- take care. -- Nomader ^(Talk) 04:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

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Saw the Black Mesa Incident and Seven Hour War AFDs, and I'm thinking - want to help (totally not to FL, just as a question) with List of Half-Life universe characters? There's a good chance they may be AFD'd soon, so I thought I'd get there before hand and make a list. The only problem is categorizing Eli and Alyx (Eli appeared in both series, but Alyx is arguably more major than him despite only being in HL2). Will ^(talk) 20:12, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

That would put Gordon, Barney, Alyx at the top, then the other player character (Adrian) and the two recurring professors (Eli, Issac), then the one-level characters, yes? Will ^(talk) 20:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Xbox

I forgot to send back about the logo you made. We were looking for a more Xbox logo related logo, which we have just created but thanks anyway.--Blackwatch21 (talk) 20:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Controversy over Kosovo Independence

Your conclusion the result was delete has absolutely no basis. There was no reasonable consensus for delete. Many of the delete opinions said a merger or renaming was acceptable and the same for many keep opinions. The fact you completely failed to acknowledge this suggests to me you did not even review the responses fully. Never mind it was pretty evenly split and showing a clear dispute over whether the article was speculative or not.

You justification of the deletion on position of WP:CRYSTAL is fallacious and selective on its face. Your suggestion that one part of the policy means another part is invalid make no sense. Also it's not even remotely accurate. The article had nothing to do with "future history" or "speculation". It included many things have that have happened. Republika Srpska did pass a resolution calling for a referendum on independence if Kosovo is recognized by a majority of U.N. members. That is historical fact, not future history or speculation. The statements given are all statements that have been made and many included were actually reactions to the declaration. Another administrator, the one who started the article on Kosovo's declaration of independence, did not nominate the article for deletion before it was changed, but instead put it on the page for Kosovo's declaration.

Originally the biggest complaint was the title itself, with most seeing the article subject as legitimate though in need of improvement. Some who said delete actually said they could change to keep if the article was changed enough.

The policy on crystal ball, which you cited, says Articles that present extrapolation, speculation, and "future history" are original research and therefore inappropriate. Yet the policy on original research does not say anything which vindicates your argument that the inclusion of verifiable sources is irrelevant. Indeed even if somehow being that made it original research in spite of verifiable sources you would have to argue where the article presents extrapolation, speculation, and "future history" and so far no one has responded to this question of where such speculation exists, yourself included. I also fail to see where opinion or analysis of the editors is inserted because all information was a statement of fact. I doubt you'd actually be able to cite that either, despite constant challenges to cite such problems no one ever provided any specific instance, instead asserting a vague and unverifiable criticism. All the same the policy on crystal couldn't be any clearer on this matter, Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation, and this was not such a collection. Questions about bias, structure, and so forth are legitimate problems not justifications for deletion.

The subject itself, given the change, no longer had the problem as the question of a precedent is dealt with as a controversial subject brought up by independence, not the article's subject itself. There is no denying such a controversy PRESENTLY exists and is of wide interest. Thus it is not speculation on the future and the fact included in the article was the question of whether the independence was legitimate, which, I might add, was biased towards it being legitimate if biased at all, verifies this.

Given the change in title and thus clear notability and relevance of the article there was no reason to delete the article while disregarding a lack of consensus.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 00:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

It's not a simple question of improvement. An article shouldn't be deleted just because it needs improvement. Given that there seemed to be no clear consensus it should not have been deleted in the first place.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 00:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree totally with The Devil's Advocate. There was no consensus and I think a consensus could have emerged on the basis of clearer definition of what the article should cover, which is an editorial issue. The tide of opinion changed when the article's name was changed, which suggested that some of the earlier votes could have gone the other way. The precedent Kosovo sets has important political and legal implications, particularly for ethnic grievances and the issue of territorial integrity, and this is an important dimension of the controversies surrounding Kosovo's declaration of independence. It is therefore an encyclopaedic subject, regardless of the dispute over content. This much is clear from the article that is now deleted. The article was well sourced, verifiable and not original research. But perhaps Wikipedia would be better as a resource for fans of pornography and fictional Pokemon and Star Trek characters rather than serious subjects. I am mystified as to how you can state that the consequences of Kosovo's independence is unencyclopaedic when there is so much nonsense in Wikipedia, eg The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Time Cube and Shit happens.--Conjoiner (talk) 11:21, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

My suggestion would be to undeleted it and then relist on AfD.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 19:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Would you undelete the article and relist it on AfD?--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 05:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

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I work for Ambition Talent, an Agency based in Toronto, representing Actors, Writers and Directors in Toronto, Vancouver, as well as L.A. I see there is a request for a speedy deletion of our page within the Wikipedia site.

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Hey, just thought you should know about this WP:AN/I#User:David Fuchs since apparently people can't inform someone if they are bashing him/her at AN/I, adios. - Caribbean~H.Q. 03:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Adoption

I was referred from User:SilkTork about adoption.

There have been two somewhat minor descrepancies and i am facing a tribunal, they want to kick me off or something, i was wondering if you could adopt me? COntact me on my talk page, thanks. --Tom.mevlie (talk) 12:39, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

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Adoption

I think you have been in touch with me already, but i am not sure how to be adopted, i put the thing at the top of my page, could you adopt me and show me the way? Tom.mevlie (talk) 07:32, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

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Jason Jones (programmer)

Wanting to finish off our stubs and get them to starts, I filled in this article with sourced content, but I'm not sure where to go with it, meaning what kind of information should be included, similar to the O'Donnell question. Anyway, I'll see what I can do to the others, but I offer this one to you if there is any more improvement possible as of now. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 02:11, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Pants kicking

Ready... Aim...

Hey there David, what's up. Holding you to this, I'm here to issue a friendly pants kicking for this, I thought it was unduly mean. Note that I know nothing about the conflict and haven't even read that whole thread, all I read was that part. I don't know what their behavior's been like, I'm sure it was rotten :-P But I feel like the standard you hold yourself to for your behavior shouldn't change based on how others act. Especially for such a highly respected user as yourself, it sets a bad example, you know? I'm sure others are emulating you, whether you notice it or not. Anyway, that's just my $0.02, you're free to heed it or ignore it as you like. Peace, delldot talk 04:33, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Any time. XD Thanks for being so cool about hearing from me from out of the blue. I think your plan to take a break from that mess is a very wise one. Good luck on your other projects :) delldot talk 21:56, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

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Characters of Halo

Hello David. I happy to notify you that Characters of Halo has passed its Good Article nomination. You may review the summary here. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 01:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Nice!!! What that, all we need is Gravemind and you have your second Halo featured topic!! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Random Question: reply

I swear I once knew which Bungie employee Sketch was, but I've forgotten by now. :S Maybe you could swing by the Halo.bungie.org forums and ask? They should know who he is. Peptuck (talk) 01:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

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Are you still reviewing Patti Smith, or can I steal it? :) dihydrogen monoxide (H₂0) 11:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

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Revert

Hi David, I *gulp* reverted your excisions at Talk:ESRB re-rating of The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion since I feel many of the comments you deleted (such as my own) speak directly to the quality of the article and are appropriate to the talk page. Apologies if this was an importunate action, but I feel that at least some of the comments you deleted reasonably belong. Eusebeus (talk) 23:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC)