User talk:CherylFM

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Hi Cheryl and welcome to Wikipedia! I've written some advice for past students in your class at Longy which you might find helpful. You'll find it here. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page (User talk:Voceditenore), or place {{helpme}} here on your talk page, ask your question, and another editor will come along to help. You might also be interested in WikiProject Classical music, WikiProject Composers, and WikiProject Opera. They have various guidelines for articles in this area and talk pages where you can ask advice from editors experienced in writing articles on classical music and related subjects. You'll find these guides particularly useful: WikiProject Composers: Guide to online research and WikiProject Composers: Copyright guidelines. Happy editing and best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 07:16, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Teahouse

Hi. Me again. I wanted to let you know about another resource for beginners—Wikipedia's Teahouse. It's a place providing great support for new editors. You can ask questions (no question is too basic) and get helpful answers and advice from experienced editors. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 07:16, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Clara Schumann

Voceditenore, thank you for your kind welcome! I intend to add information (or is it proper to say "add articles"?) about Clara Schumann's compositions to Wikipedia. Currently, there is an adequate biography of her, but nothing that details her compositions in the following manner. Étude Op. 10, No. 6 (Chopin). My big concern now is that even with a stack of books from the library, I won't be in a position to provide sufficient information for an article to avoid being labeled a stub, or even summarily deleted. The books I'm using are only about Robert Schumann, and Clara is an afterthought, and that is with me having cleaned out a conservatory library of anything labeled "Schumann!" I will likely be able to at least speak to when she wrote a particular (major) composition from those sources. But what about providing information on things like movement, structure, or text? At school, I'd go to IMSLP or to the library for a score, open it, and use my own eyes. That seems to smack of original research, though. Can you please advise on that, as well as how much information avoids stub-status?

With warm regards (and hopes I'm signing this correctly!), CherylFM (talk) 23:06, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cheryl. You signed just fine.

I've taken the liberty of giving this topic its own title. I wouldn't worry about your article being deleted since you would be writing about a composition by a notable composer, and you'll have references. I think your idea is great! Also, don't worry about an article being a stub. A short well-referenced piece with the basic key facts is a huge help to Wikipedia. I often create such articles, e.g. Francesco Vanneschi or Arturo Cadore. I'd suggest choosing a composition which has been recorded, as this will enhance the notability, and recordings often have reviews which can be used to expand and reference the article. As for using the score, it's fine to use it for establishing basic facts, e.g. its key signature, tempo, number of movements, orchestration, etc.. What you can't do is make your own judgement on the effect of some aspect of the music on the listener or its value. That requires reference to a published source. Hope that helps, and don't hesitate to let me know if you need any more help once you get started. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:33, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Saint Voceditenore! As I've begun this process, I've concluded (hopefully correctly) that Clara Schumann's current biography is not the place that her compositions should be listed, given that she was reasonably prolific and other composers with similar compositional output levels have a link within their biographies to a separate "list of compositions by ____" article. To that end, I've created this page: List of compositions by Clara Schumann. I intend to link off of this list article to a separate article for as many of her compositions as I can. Once I have heard from you or another drive-by editor that this is acceptable, I will go into the article about her life Clara Schumann, delete the current spelling-out of all of her compositions (but not the preceding paragraphs of prose), and put a link in that spot in that article to my newly-created list article above. Does this seem reasonable? Also and regarding the articles about each single composition - does linking to the score count as a reasonable first reference, given that my first pass of expanding out her information will be to link to and summarize scores? Piano Trio (Clara Schumann) With the warmest of regards, CherylFM (talk) 11:57, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cheryl. You're off to a great start! I've now removed the list from Clara Schumann and replaced it with this. I've also added references to all 4 of your articles. It's not a good idea to leave them with only external links. Otherwise, they end up with this thing emblazoned on the top. About external links... I removed them from two of the articles as they were from a copyright professional recording and we aren't allowed to link to copyright infringements. The one for Piano Trio (Clara Schumann) was probably OK as it was the official YouTube channel of the sound engineer who filmed it, but I copy-edited the description of the link to make that clear. There's more about this at Wikipedia:External links. But these are small things, and once again, Brava! I'm checking into Wikipedia less often right now as I'm in the US for Thanksgiving, but will keep an eye on your articles and their progress. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:38, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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