User talk:Carwil/Archive 2013

Marital rape - map

You said you were going to take care of the map and fix it, but it continues to be inaccurate.

• Europe:

Marital rape is illegal in Romania [1], Republic of Moldova [2]and Montenegro [3]. These countries should be red on the map.

You colored Lithuania black. According to the US report marital rape is illegal. I think gray is the best color for Lithuania.

• Africa

On the map Lesotho is gray and Swaziland red. It should be the other way round.

• South America

Guyana should be red.

If you don't fix the map I will remove it.188.25.27.231 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:42, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello again, IP user. Finding new problems, which you haven't edited into the article, and then berating demanding in a combative tone that they be included with the threat of deleting the map, is unnecessary. This is not my full-time job. So, please be patient. Or download the SVG file of the map into a text editor and you'll see just how easy it is to edit.

Now, on the discrepancies above:

• Lithuania, Romania, and Montenegro appear without source in the "criminalized" section of the Marital rape page. Moldova doesn't appear at all. (As I've explained on talk, I've been using a publicly accessible work space Talk:Marital rape/Country lists to make sure that everything on map had a reliable source.) Thank you for providing new sources. The appropriate thing now would be to add them to the page. Ideally, you would also list the map changes on talk instead of on my user page.
• Lithuania—You're right. Sources conflict, for example this one: [4]. Greying.
• Romania, Moldova, Montenegro—The new sources seem reliable. Adding red.
• Guyana—sourced on the page. Adding red.
• Swaziland, Lesotho—I neglected to source my addition of Swaziland to the map on the page. I've now added the source. Both are now red.

Cheers.--Carwil (talk) 13:23, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello Carwil. The anonymous person has removed your map from the marital rape topic. He had no right to. I only just discovered it today, when I was scrolling through the page and I did notice any maps on the side. Is something going to be done about it? Just for the record, I loved your map since I love geography, so for the people, we prefer a map over a list in these sorts of topics just to make sense of the personal perspective on different topics from different areas of the world. TheReportingReporter (talk) 17:39, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I putted the map back up. Hopefully, it would not be removed this time. To start updating, Malaysia needs to turn from red into black, since the Law Minister has said that Marital rape is not a crime. This can be easily googled. This is how the map is updated, so I do not understand the other guy's problem in removing the map. (talk) 19:49, 22 August 2015 (BST)

Not only that there is a right, there is an obligation to remove unsourced material (WP:V).2A02:2F01:501F:FFFF:0:0:50C:FD91 (talk) 07:59, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

"This can be easily googled. This is how the map is updated" No. This is not how the map is updated. Random newspapers and sites are not reliable legal sources. You might be interested in this [5]- the Penal Code of Malaysia. You are indeed right: marital rape is not considered rape (Art 375 -Rape has an exception). There is a different article, Art 375 A -'Husband causing hurt in order to have sexual intercourse', which provides for a more narrow definition: it requires that the husband "causes hurt or fear of death or hurt to his wife or any other person in order to have sexual intercourse with his wife". 2A02:2F01:501F:FFFF:0:0:50C:FD91 (talk) 07:59, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

The discussion is talking place here: Talk:Marital_rape#Removed_map. 2A02:2F01:501F:FFFF:0:0:50C:FD91 (talk) 08:23, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

I am re-posting here what I also posted on the marital rape talk page, that is the explanation for the removal of the map:

Some editors seem to think that the law is a joke, and that you can make assertions about it sourcing them to random newspapers, sites, obscure books, NGOs and other non-legal writings. But the law is not a joke. With regard to this article: unless there is either a statutory exemption in the law excluding the possibility of a spouse being charged with rape, or, conversely, an explicit criminalization, you need to be very careful on making assertions about the applicability of that rape law in marriage. In this latter case (where there is neither an exemption, nor an explicit criminalization) if there isn't either a ruling from the highest court (which in civil law systems usually serves as providing a uniform interpretation of the law, thus helping with the unification of the non-unitary judicial practice of lower courts; and in common law systems provides a binding precedent which lower courts are obligated to follow) or unless there was previously a statutory exemption in the law that was removed by legislators in order to implicitly include marital rape in the ordinary rape law - then you can't freely make affirmations (though you could look at what lower courts do - though in many civil law jurisdictions non-unitary judicial practice is a serious problem). But you need real, up-to-date, legal sources for this. Such sources are simply not provided in this article for the map (and for the sections on the countries). 2A02:2F01:501F:FFFF:0:0:50C:FD91 (talk) 10:13, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Great job

Had the pleasure of hearing your presentation at the NYU meetup yesterday. Really outstanding. If there's anything I can do to help with future class projects, please don't hesitate to ask. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department: Please take a number} 03:02, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I have posted an HD version of your presentation (which is unfortunately missing from the webcast archive) at https://archive.org/details/CarwilBjorkJamesIndigenousPeoples - Wwwhatsup (talk) 16:22, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

= Thank you

now your useful map in my blog - thanks a lot - N2 - http://susaufeminicides.blogspot.fr/2013/01/planetarium-des-feminicides.html Cordialement. Christine Gamita77.198.1.89 (talk) 03:18, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

quiz answers

Hi - easier just to repeat this here. RE your quiz answers:

1. did you delete any cats? I can't really tell
2. I assume those in blue/bold are added cats, while the rest are just extant cats?

thanks! --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 21:21, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Discussion about novelist categories

Greetings! You are invited to take place in a conversation happening Category_talk:American_novelists#Stalemate here about how to move forward with discussion on subcategories of by-country novelist categories.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:02, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Quechua help needed

Hello Carwil, I'm contacting you because we need some Quechuan translators to help with the deployment of the new VisualEditor on qu.wikipedia. It is important that we get the User Guide and the User Interface translated before VisualEditor is deployed to users (to translate the User Interface, you need to start an account at translatewiki.net). More information on the translating work is available MediaWiki: Translation Central. I also need help with a personal message about the rollout for the Quechuan Wikipedians. If you are able to help in any way, either reply here, or head over to TranslationCentral. Thanks for your time, PEarley (WMF) (talk) 19:55, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Marital rape map

Why is Georgia colored black? Talk:Marital_rape#Georgia_.28country.29_on_the_map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F0A:506F:FFFF:0:0:BC19:1BCD (talk) 22:30, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

It's referenced here: [6], on pages 4 and 5. UNIFEM 2003, which only presents a list in table form refers to "non-specific legislation" criminalizing marital rape. In general, I've avoided using this kind of list as a source unless there was no contradictory information. However, in the case of Georgia, this sequence happened: 1) I added it to the Not criminalized list. 2) Someone removed it. 3) I added a set of non-contradicted countries cited in UNIFEM 2003 to the criminalized list.

I suspect we can find clarity on the matter, and would defer to your judgment about greying the country on the map or not until then.--Carwil (talk) 17:45, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Georgia should be grey on the map, at least for now, because there is very much contradictory information.

For instance [7] states that marital rape is illegal: pg 122 - questions 5.1 and 5.2. 2A02:2F0A:504F:FFFF:0:0:BC19:A3E3 (talk) 20:09, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

White People

You are invited to join a discussion at Talk:White_people#Recent_Edits about some edits you recently reverted on the White People page. We are discussing possible solutions and obviously your input would be helpful in reaching a solution that is agreeable to all parties. Tobus (talk) 23:48, 10 January 2014 (UTC)