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Speedy deletion nomination of User:CWH/Sha Fei

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@TJH2018: That's a ridiculous deletion request. CWH has created dozens of well developed articles from his userspace. I've removed the speedy tag. -Zanhe (talk) 16:43, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi CWH, thanks for your timely creation of the article. I've nominated it for DYK, see here. It'd be cool if it could run during the Harvard conference on him. I've also uploaded dozens of his photos to the Commons, see Commons category. There are hundreds of nice photos available. I'll upload more when I have more time. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 05:32, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Good to have your help once again, Zanhe. I put the article up rather speedily precisely because of the Harvard conference and exhibition, so I did not have time to do more and your input is more than ordinarily crucial! The photos you added are fantastic.

I was taken aback at the well-intentioned but ungrounded speedy deletion tag. The justification for the tag had no connection to the article (and it was added within an hour of my creating the userspace draft). I also need to thank Neonorange for putting in a sensible word in support of the article.ch (talk) 16:53, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Carl Whiting Bishop

Hi CWH, thanks for creating yet another much needed article! I have a question about his early years though: I couldn't find in Newmeyer or other sources anything about his being a silver assayer during the Yaqui Wars. Are you sure that's correct? Thanks, Zanhe (talk) 04:40, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry -- the info was in the Arlington Cemetery cite, which I fixed.ch (talk) 05:10, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for getting it sorted out. I checked the Arlington Cemetery article, but they misspelled "Yaqui", so my search for the word didn't come up with anything. -Zanhe (talk) 05:58, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

I've copyedited the article and nominated it for DYK, please see here. Thanks again! -Zanhe (talk) 07:13, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Sha Fei

On 22 April 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sha Fei, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Harvard University is holding a conference today on Sha Fei, "The Photographer Who Shaped Modern China" (sample photograph pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sha Fei. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Sha Fei), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Worm^TT(talk) 22:56, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Just thought I'd mentioned that I found the article through DYK and really enjoyed it! Cheers! --Falcorian ^(talk) 00:23, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Falcorian. The article could not have made DYK without the hard work and good eye of Zanhe ch (talk) 04:57, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Carl Whiting Bishop

On 25 April 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Carl Whiting Bishop, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Tokyo-born archeologist Carl Whiting Bishop served in U.S. naval intelligence during World War I? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Carl Whiting Bishop. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Carl Whiting Bishop), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:52, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

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DYK for David Tod Roy

On 19 June 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article David Tod Roy, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that David Tod Roy, the son of Presbyterian missionaries to China, produced the first unexpurgated English translation of the Ming dynasty erotic novel Jin Ping Mei? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/David Tod Roy. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, David Tod Roy), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Please see note on your DYK review. Also, if you have any questions about DYK, I'd be happy to answer them on my talk page. Best, Yoninah (talk) 23:59, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

DYK prose size counting

Hello! You may try the tool mentioned here to check prose size adequacy and such things. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:24, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Dharmadhyaksha! I finally figured out that I could go to the history page for the article in question and use the DYK checker on the earlier version, though it's still not clear which version. ch (talk) 17:16, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

If you are using Shubinator's DYK tool, the link of which I mentioned above, it tell you from when the expansion started. You then have to only check if that date fits in the 7 days period before which nomination should be submitted. In case you are really confused about any nomination, you can take it to DYK's talk page case by case and someone will guide you. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:25, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks again -- I did use Shubinator's tool, but indeed was not clear about what date to use it on. Sorry to put you through all this bother for such an interesting hook and exemplary article.ch (talk) 15:07, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

June 2016

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Aircraft, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. BilCat (talk) 22:52, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Apologies, BilCat, I made my reversion of that nonsense without seeing that you had beaten me to it (the same editor had made a number of similar edits and I went from that editor's Contributions page and carelessly did not check).ch (talk) 01:53, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Ok, no problem, I've made that kind of mistake myself. - BilCat (talk) 01:57, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks!ch (talk) 02:05, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Longhairs

You're welcome! Although, if you're watching them, both articles still need a lot more work, not least to differentiate them between the military actions (rebellion) and the state (kingdom). It also currently omits or quickly skips past rather major parts of the event, like how it bounced from Guangdong to 'xi to the Yangtze. Tian Wang could also use a section mentioning its use under the Taipings.

Day day up up... — $Llywelyn II$ 04:22, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

I especially wanted to thank you because it was my edit that you correctly called "overly verbose and pedantic" -- I must have been suffering from sleep deprivation when I made it!

As to the TP articles, you are so right that they need work, as do many China articles. It's more exciting to start a new article than drudge through one that looks OK. I include myself among the guilty! But if you start fixing up those articles, I would probably feel shamed or inspired by your Lei Feng-ish example and follow suit Just maybe say on the Talk Page whether you have such plans and I won't step on your toes (as I did recently and got tangled up in cross-editing).ch (talk) 20:12, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Scarlet Memorial: Tales of Cannibalism in Modern China

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Hi, I came across this nomination while building prep sets. I found it very hard to follow what was going on because you didn't sign any of your posts, and things weren't in chronological order. Next time, please sign each post and put it after the previous one, like the page creator did, so we can follow it. Thanks! Yoninah (talk) 21:51, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Scarlet Memorial: Tales of Cannibalism in Modern China

On 17 September 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Scarlet Memorial: Tales of Cannibalism in Modern China, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the 1993 book Scarlet Memorial: Tales of Cannibalism in Modern China alleges that victors in a factional battle ate the flesh of losers in Guangxi during China's Cultural Revolution? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Scarlet Memorial: Tales of Cannibalism in Modern China. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Scarlet Memorial: Tales of Cannibalism in Modern China), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Hoppo (product of undiscussed move)

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Hoppo

Hi, In ictu oculi;

I think we worked together a while ago on Bible translations into Chinese.

In any case, thanks for taking an interest in this article, and for taking the initiative in editing Hu Bu. However, as I explained on the TalkPage there, Hu Bu is the Ministry of Finance, not the Hoppo. It is true that one good theory for the name Hoppo is that foreigners were confused by the fact that he collected revenue and thought that he worked for the Ministry, but that was their mistake. In looking over a good deal of material on the subject, I can't recall ever seeing the Ministry referred to as "Hoppo" and a Google search doesn't turn one up. I took the liberty of taking out that phrase from the Hu Bu article and taking Hu Bu off the Hoppo (disambiguation) page.

I apologize for causing such confusion!ch (talk) 05:15, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Please look at these sources Merry Christmas! In ictu oculi (talk) 08:32, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks again for following up on this and an even Merrier Christmas right back at you!-- and thanks for the (slightly unusual) move of the discussion from your TalkPage to mine.

But these sources seem to back up the point that the person "Hoppo" was not the same as the Ministry of Finance. For instance, the very first of these references says 戶部」本是中國政府管理財政的一個郡,但在當地,大家就誤稱粵海關監督為「戶部」, which I translate as "Hubu is a Chinese government agency.... but everybody mistakenly calls the Canton Maritime Customs Official 'Hubu..."

So maybe we should add something to the lede to clarify that the term "Hoppo" is actually pidgen English, not Chinese, and maybe take out the Chinese translation 戶部. ch (talk) 03:15, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Again, let's move this discussion to the TalkPage at Hoppo (Qing dynasty official).ch (talk) 04:27, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Hoppo

Hi -- to get the page Hoppo deleted so you can move your userspace page there, you should add an entry at WP:RM when you're ready to move it and an administrator will take care of moving the page for you. CapitalSasha ~ talk 16:56, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, CapitalSasha, and apologies for messing things up so much, but when I tried that, it told me that this would not work for a move from a UserSpace article, so I moved it to ArticleSpace as "Hoppo (Qing dynasty official)", and then asked for a move to "Hoppo."ch (talk) 03:19, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Oops, sorry for the bad advice. Looks like you've got things sorted out now, thanks! CapitalSasha ~ talk 07:33, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Boxer Rebellion

Hi CWH. The text that you restored here had been changed by an editor who also made this edit. You might be better informed to judge if this too should be restored. Thanks, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 09:04, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for the heads up, TenTonParasol!ch (talk) 15:36, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Expert on China.

If I ever need an expert on China, I hope I could consult you. My Chinese wife is from Malaysia, and speaks Mandarin and Cantonese, as well as British English and Malay, and now she studying Spanish!--Dthomsen8 (talk) 14:35, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

I'd be glad to help if I can, but I can't claim to be an "expert", though, only a "specialist".

At this point Wikipedia's China related articles are more in need of intelligent editorial curating than deep expertise in any case. We probably need more re-writing, pruning, and re-ordering than new articles -- but that's a question for another day and another forum.ch (talk) 18:14, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Ways to improve Thomas Arthur Bisson

Hi, I'm Scope creep. CWH, thanks for creating Thomas Arthur Bisson!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Excellent work, need a image. Several seem to be available, pre 1956, PD.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.

scope_creep (talk) 11:39, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks for the quick and useful review Scope creep! I responded briefly to your suggestions on the article's Talk Page for the reference of future editors.ch (talk) 16:39, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

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Started Zheng Guanying for Asian month! It had articles in various languages but not English... WhisperToMe (talk) 09:44, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Great to hear that you are working on this @WhisperToMe: -- thanks for letting me know. I'll keep an eye on the article and raise the assessment when you've finished what you are going to do for now. I especially like the Gloria Davis article, which has rich material for your section on his legacy and influence.ch (talk) 19:48, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

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I would like to know whether you wanted to move this page to Li Huang which is where I would have expected it to be, rather than deleting the page altogether. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:04, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes please, you are right! I couldn't move it there because an article with that name had been deleted. Many thanks for your help and your patience. ch (talk) 06:06, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Apologies, Metropolitan90 I messed up thoroughly, and another administrator deleted the page. I'm not sure if it can be de-deleted, and it doesn't seem to be possible for me to create another with the same name. I saved the text, however. Is it possible for an administrator to unprotect "Li Huang"? (I don't see the point of protecting it in the first place, but that's neither here nor there). Cheers and thanks in any case.ch (talk) 19:14, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi CWH, it appears that Anthony Appleyard acted on your request and deleted the page. I'm sure he can restore the article and move it to Li Huang. You can also make a request at WP:REFUND. -Zanhe (talk) 19:39, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

@Metropolitan90, CWH, and Zanhe: I have undeleted it, at Li Huang, and AfD'ed it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Li Huang. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:10, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

@Anthony Appleyard: thanks for restoring the article! I think there's a bit of misunderstanding here. CWH made a request for speedy deletion because he accidentally moved the article to user space instead of the main space. Nobody is trying to delete the well written article or disputing the notability of the subject. I think the AfD request can be safely withdrawn. -Zanhe (talk) 00:20, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks to everyone who responded to this matter. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:42, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi CWH, thanks for writing the article! I've nominated it for DYK. See Template:Did you know nominations/Li Huang. Cheers! -Zanhe (talk) 01:42, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Zanhe You are a treasure! Many more thanks back to you. I suggested a tweak to the DYK, but if it's too late, either is fine with me.ch (talk) 18:57, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

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There's also one for Acupuncture that normally is raised in the context of complementary and alternative medicine, but I think it does kind of establish that pre-modern practices relating to Qi flow which make scientifically testable claims fall under sanctions. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:52, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

I have noted on the Feng Shui TAlk Page and Ian.thomson's Talk Page that this is WP:UNCIVIL. I have done nothing to provoke this warning: I have edited neither page nor have I expressed opinions that go against what Ian.thomson says are his on the Feng Shui Talk Page. REMOVE THIS TEMPLATE.ch (talk) 04:02, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

1) Keep calm and assume good faith. If the template is not civil, then why would the Arbitration Committee have authorized its creation? Why would it be standard procedure to use the template to notify users who are not aware of discretionary sanctions?

2) Re-read the template with said assumption of good faith. You asked what the discretionary sanctions were, remember? The message outright says that it does not imply any misconduct regarding your own contributions to date.

3) Remove the template yourself if you want it gone. To insist that I do it is just petty, almost to the point of bullying. Don't be a screaming diva about this.

Ian.thomson (talk) 04:10, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Feng shui discussions - can I help clarify anything at this point?

Are there any explanations that you'd still like from me at this point? I don't think I have much to add to what's already been said. Basically, I went for help at FTN because the topic falls under ArbEnf, we didn't seem to be communicating well, and you and others persisted with including the changes. --Ronz (talk) 16:09, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Ronz, Ian.thomson, another threat made by what sometimes seems to like an anti-quack gestapo. If you people are really so certain that you are right, why do you always need a friend to back yourself up?

I don't believe a thing about Feng Shui either. But you don't see me harassing other users about it with templates that serve no purpose. There are many great Wikipedia policies that can be referred to, to begin with the core policies, but the only section of that I see you guys refer to is WP:FRINGE, making threats with templates to any editor of an article that you deem goes against science. I detest your methods, as I believe they don't contribute a to a better encyclopedia.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 22:08, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Filial piety and Buddhism?

What do you think of the article about filial piety? I like to know your opinion.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 22:10, 25 August 2018 (UTC)