User talk:Britishfinance

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I made some comments on your nom. It's close but needs a little work. Thank you for working on this article! Peregrine Fisher (talk) 03:00, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

[1] Peregrine Fisher (talk) 23:15, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Peregrine Fisher - much appreciated! Britishfinance (talk) 00:30, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Teahouse

Hello! I encountered this question: Wikipedia:Teahouse#https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Danexit. After replying, it struck me that it may be ok as an article about a possible event, if not as a word. If you think it's interesting, please take a look. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:22, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	Thanks for your work on the Megxit article and intelligent post at the AFD. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:23, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much for that Dr. Blofeld, never seen so much high quality RS dismissed at AfD before? Perhaps Wikipedia is not as much a royalist as I thought? Great admiser of your work btw. Britishfinance (talk) 14:53, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

I think it may partly be a knee-jerk WP:NOTNEWS reaction. The combined power of Trump and the Windsor's will probably prevail. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:51, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Good point Gråbergs Gråa Sång; per earlier, we have Frexit (which I didn't realise), which doesn't have 10% of the RS of Megxit? Britishfinance (talk) 15:54, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

...and there's Swexit, kind of, though Sweden is not mentioned. My very brief research [2] gives "Not a thing, really." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:01, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

We should just redirect them all to Megxit :), there is RS-enough for everybody in that article. All the best. Britishfinance (talk) 16:25, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Humayun Azad and Chinua Achebe

@Britishfinance:, Humayun Azad never copied Chinua Achebe's writings; Humayun Azad's writings were unique, his writings were never inspired by other writers. You can not read Bengali and also the information on behalf of Chinua Achebe in Sab Kichu Bhene Pare was wrong with wrong reference. শাহরিয়ার কবীর শিশির (talk) 12:31, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello Britishfinance. I happened to see your post at WP:AN. In my opinion the recent edits of Sab Kichu Bhene Pare by the above person with the Bengali user name have some logic. One example is this edit. Any resemblance of the 1995 Bengali novel to the previous book by Chinua Achebe, Things Fall Apart, appears to be synthesis. Mention of Chinua Achebe in the article on the Bengali novel ought to require a source. It is possible that both authors are making reference to a poem by Yeats, but even that would need a source. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 18:54, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks EdJohnston, and good to see that this article has more eyes on it. Much appreciated. Britishfinance (talk) 18:58, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

However

Hi, I noticed your tendency to use this word, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch#Editorializing. Not my own preference of course! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:40, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Dr. Blofeld, never distinguished myself as a wordsmith, or even a good constructor of sentences, I'm afraid (hence why I am love reading crafted articles like Cary Grant); please do edit anything that you feel needs smithing - I will take no offense and may learn from it! thanks again, Britishfinance (talk) 13:48, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Out of curiosity I went to my favourite style guide, the Guardian's, and checked under "H" but was surprised to see it didn't mention "however" - though on looking at the MOS link, I suppose that's because MOS's objections are not about sentence structure etc but about POV. Having found the page I offer you the link anyway, in case you don't know of it, as a helpful (and fascinating) guide to current clear British English. In my opinion, anyway! Happy New Year. PamD 16:19, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks PamD, that is very interesting. Never really thought about the word “however” as being POV, but now that I have read the above, it seems obvious. Thanks again and Happy New Year to you too. Britishfinance (talk) 17:04, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Megexit redirect

@Britishfinance:,

I hope I catch you before bed time, but I suspect it's around supper time there. Anyway, I've created a redirect for Megexit to Megxit, with the misspelling Rcat. Since you have pending changes and/or new paper patroller privileges, I was wondering if you can mark it as "reviewed" with the page curation tool? I'm sure I'm not the only one who frequently wants to type Megexit instead of Megxit. So, I think it's a highly useful redirect. : )

Cheers,
--Doug Mehus T·C 17:58, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Good idea Dmehus.  Done. Britishfinance (talk) 18:18, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Britishfinance, Thank you.  Question: How come sometimes when an editor reviews a page, it displays a log entry in the page curation log and other times it doesn't. Is that an option, perhaps, in the Page Curation Tool to suppress the log entry? When I got a notification that IJBall had reviewed my Sandringham Summit redirect upon my non-controversial request, I definitely got a notification that it was reviewed (same as with your reviewing Megexit), but there was no log entry in the page curation log. Any idea?

Also, related question, are you aware of a script to add to one's js file to insert these icons, or do you just keep Template:Done open in a new browser tab? Doug Mehus T·C 18:47, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Dmehus, I am not sure why that happens re page curation - could be the use/non-use of the curation tool (which I use)? Template:Done is one of the few that I know to hand. thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 19:13, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Britishfinance, Thank you. Yeah, Wikipedia has its technical oddities. I will use Template:Done for now, and will keep my eye out for a script. It'd be nice to have it added to the wiki editor, I think. Do you ever use Visual Editor? I've tried it, but find it too laggy. Doug Mehus T·C 19:20, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

I haven't Dmehus, but I am not very advanced in my use of WP tools? Britishfinance (talk) 19:25, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		Thanks for your work in improving May Zune Win and saving it from the AfD! You are awesome! Idolmm (talk) 05:12, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Idolmm, thank you for that - much appreciated. Britishfinance (talk) 09:33, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Emily Hale

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Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for that Casliber – much appreciated! Britishfinance (talk) 11:24, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for FIFA Champions Badge

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Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for BorderIrish

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--valereee (talk) 00:02, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Valereee! Britishfinance (talk) 00:24, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Megxit

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Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks you Casliber, I thought that would be a good hook line – as always, much appreciated! Britishfinance (talk) 00:21, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Consider closing AfDs

Three possible snow AfDs are in this section. I know that you have the knowledge to close such entries...I do not. Lightburst (talk) 17:41, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Lightburst, I would wait a few more days first; very quick SK closes are only appropriate where the actual filing of the XfD was to the wrong place (e.g. we see that with some incorrect MfD filings, which these aren't). Don't think these are going to be an issue regardless. Britishfinance (talk) 18:16, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Understood. Lightburst (talk) 18:18, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Michael Fundator 2 moved to draftspace

Clean up from unagreed move of an article to Draftspace during an AfD. Britishfinance (talk) 14:56, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

MOS:BOLDLINKAVOID

Hi, Britishfinance. Regarding edits like this one, keep MOS:BOLDLINKAVOID in mind. I reverted because of that and because I think it's best to keep "these results depend on the methodology" part right beside the text it's referring to. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 22:15, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for that Flyer22 Frozen, and appreciate you leaving the note. All the best, Britishfinance (talk) 00:47, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	I feel that the article: Parikshit Singh shouldn't be deleted. I want more time to work on it. I won't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top. I also admire your work on Wikipedia, you must be a patient guy. Chinuindia (talk) 10:32, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Chinuindia. Your "team" has removed the CSD tag several times now on a BLP that has no notability. I have done a WP:BEFORE as well, and he would be a snow delete at WP:AfD. I have pinged the relevant admins in the UPE area to the page to check whether there are other clients in your network. I would advise you not to pursue these kinds of articles that are so clearly unsuitable for Wikipedia, or you may find that even your more notable works attract attention. thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 10:37, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Brit names

I'm guessing you know more about this than I. Nicholas True, Baron True looks like it is titled correctly if "Baron True" is a courtesy title per WP:OBE. But the name in the infobox is "The Lord True". I've changed this to "Nicholas True" twice and been reverted. Shouldn't it be "Nicholas True" or perhaps "Nicholas True, Baron True", but definitely not "Baron True"? We specifically have |honorific_prefix= in the infobox for things like this. It already has The Right Honourable, should "Lord" and/or "Baron" go there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MB (talk • contribs) 16:46, 20 February 2020 OTC (UTC)

Hi MB, sorry for not responding earlier as have been v busy in RL; your question above is not something I am familiar with I'm afraid? Britishfinance (talk) 10:19, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Twelve Bens

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Your GA nomination of Emily Hale

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Wikipedia:The Great Britain and Ireland Destubathon

Hi, you do a lot of good work I see on geo topics, not just Megxit haha! You'd be most welcome on this, anything improved this March. Bit late now to win prizes but everything counts.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:59, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Dr. Blofeld! Have been very busy in RL lately (editing on the side but mostly on the "virus"), but will try and contribute - thanks for thinking of me :) Britishfinance (talk) 15:47, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Greetings

	Thanks
	~ Nice to meet you Thanks for your edits on COVID-19 ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 16:18, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

That is much appreciated Mitchellhobbs ! Britishfinance (talk) 16:35, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Have you ever been to the Virgin Islands? ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 16:41, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Not as yet, but definately on the list :) Britishfinance (talk) 17:41, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mount Brandon

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Your GA nomination of Ailladie

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Well done on the GA - I remember your work on that article long ago, especially that very handy sketch map. And that's a hat trick, I see - The Twelve Bens and Mount Brandon too. Fantastic. Busy myself with Stub reviews - and some stub-busting for this editathon, but alas, RL is heavy for most just now. Keep well, SeoR (talk) 13:43, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much for that SeoR. Been very busy in RL, so I decided to put some work forward for GA and have had good luck so far. Thanks again :) Britishfinance (talk) 17:42, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Twelve Bens

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--valereee (talk) 00:01, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations

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Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of FIFA Champions Badge

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Your GA nomination of Ben Lugmore

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DYK for Disease X

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--valereee (talk) 00:01, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

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that link to fandom you posted at AFD is a mother fuckin' treasure trove. Look at the history then google the creators name. Found the firm. Praxidicae (talk) 19:00, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Wow - these guys are not as clever as I thought! Delighted to help Praxidicae, and hugely appreciative of your tireless work in this area :) Britishfinance (talk) 19:06, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

They really aren't clever, which is why I've been so diligent in advocating that our actual editors are more critical of sources - they utilize a lot of "fake" media outlets that they create in bulk that use names similar to reputable sources or snipe expired reputable sources (see user:Praxidicae/fntest for some examples) and mass push out these "news" stories that flood google results, facebook and then WP. It's pretty easy to spot as long as we're actually looking at content vs "it exists". They use fandom and wikidata for this reason too. Praxidicae (talk) 19:08, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks and great list to have. Why don't you should get the full toolset like MER-C etc.? Britishfinance (talk) 19:15, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of MacGillycuddy's Reeks

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DYK for Ailladie

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 — Amakuru (talk) 00:33, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

• Congrats! Drmies (talk) 16:43, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Luggala

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Your GA nomination of Mangerton Mountain

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Your GA nomination of Carrauntoohil

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Possible bias and controlling narrative surrounding Chinese research WRT coronavirus origins

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Pay close attention to this user's repeated changes in articles surrounding the coronavirus epidemic. Many revisions on neutral sources and information are made to Shi Zhengli's page to put her in a positive light. Showing heavy bias and resistance to anything that is not completely positive about this researcher. Very strange indeed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LIXIAO9987 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

• (talk page watcher) The above strange comment is the first and only edit made by LIXIAO9987. Odd. PamD 05:50, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
  • There is a lot of disruptive editing going on at the BLP of Shi Zhengli, who various tabloids/low-grade RS ascribe (including her Wuhan Institute of Virology) as being a bio-weapons expert (and/or variations of this) and the origin of the coronavirus. There are higher grade RS do raise legitimate concerns that Shi's work may have accidentally leaked (her lab is very close to the infamous Wuhan "wet market"), so articles on this by the Washington Post have been added. However, there are IPs/new editors trying to "shoehorn" in their own conclusions, and even referencing Shi's own research as evidence (which of course is OR/SYN) that have been reverted; however, I guess they are now coming to directly to attack me now. Britishfinance (talk) 10:20, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Shi Zhengli's group made a chimera of HIV and SARS in 2010 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00705-010-0729-6 which was HIGHLY controversial at the time and lead to funding being pulled. many people questioned how this research can lead to bad outcomes. these type of chimeras have a dual usage as "understanding deadly diseases" but ALSO as a technique to make bioweapons. Does it means shes making bioweapons with intention? no. does it means she's without controversy for her work? Also no — Preceding unsigned comment added by LIXIAO9987 (talk • contribs)

• LIXIAO9987, that may all be true, but you are confusing how Wikipedia works. Shortcut is this link to WP:42, but in essence, we are an encyclopedia (i.e. chroniclers), and thus we ONLY record what the best independent quality sources say about a subject. You need a high quality source (per WP:RS/P) to state your claims, and then we add it. When editors try to assert their own conclusions (that are not verified in quality independent sources), by using direct references (per your research above), we call that original research, and even original synthesis, which is not appropriate in Wikipedia. What you say may be true, but until we get source your conclusions/statements to a quality independent source, it can't go it. That is how Wikipedia works.

It can be very frustrating for new editors when a story is developing, however, Wikipedia is also WP:NOTNEWS; it is an encyclopedia, and we will always be "behind the news curve" until the quality independent sources weigh in. Not that our guidelines are applied rigorously for a WP:BLP, and violations have consequences. Britishfinance (talk) 10:48, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I understand definition of encyclopedia. But, it is biased to not have a controversy section on a person who IS quite controversial both now and in the past. Yes, I am not linking every link here, because i am not writing wikipedia page. Some news articles for these claims can clearly be found, funding was cut in response etc. The question is, why does this controversial scientist not have any controversial section? Why things written on that page are always reedited to put a positive light? A neutral source must show both the positive and negative facts and let reader decide. Her research works is a fact, and also her controversy is a fact as much as her awards are, which have their own section despite the relative brevity of them

• LIXIAO9987, if you have quality sources (per above) that say these things, then we can use it. If we don't, we can't. Readers don't come to Wikipedia to read your, or mine, synthesis of facts with our conclusions. They only come to read what independent high-quality sources said about the subject that can sourced and verified. All we have in her BLP are such sources, and some of those sources (e.g. Washington Post), are relaying concerns that senior U.S. virologists had about the safety and rationale for her work. However, none, as yet, call her "controversial" (I am omitting the low-grade tabloid stuff here). I suspect that this may change, as there seem to be real concerns about what she was doing (per the most recent WPO article on the US cables), and I am sure the high-grade RS are digging deeper into this as we speak. Britishfinance (talk) 15:52, 16 April 2020 (UTC)r

You need publication in Nature journal calling someone controversial for it to be fact? I don't think so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:843:c300:7970:b502:60cd:8ae1:e958 (talk • contribs)

• That would be ideal, however, Wikipedia have a long list of suitable sources (e.g best are here WP:RS/P). If you can't find one of these sources saying it, then, given how major these stories are, it probably is not true (or at least capable of being confirmed as true). As an encyclopedia (not 60-minutes), that is all we are interested in. Britishfinance (talk) 22:53, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Found a Nature source saying Shi Zhengli and her work is controversial and still repeatedly censored. Extreme bias and supression of information continues. LIXIAO9987 (talk) 14:44, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks LIXIAO9987. I have responded on Talk:Shi Zhengli#Description of gain-of-function experiments, and do agree that some of this article should be used. It is critical to stay away from the debunked conspiracies on engineered viruses and focus solely on the concerns over her gain-of-function experiments. Thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 17:58, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing this. She did make engineered viruses. That doesn't mean COVID is engineered. Supressing that information in this manner may fuel conspiracy theories even more. Censorship is not the answer. LIXIAO9987 (talk) 21:12, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Those concerns are already discussed in the article, and the Nature piece is already referenced. This issue is being over-weighted now in her biography, in order to promote conspiracy theories about the Wuhan Institute of Virology. -Thucydides411 (talk) 18:27, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Galtymore

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Your GA nomination of Disease X

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Good Article Barnstar

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		I wanted to thank you for helping Twelve Bens and many other GA, I really see how hard it is to maintain articles even when the article finally reached to be nominated and to be accepted.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Editoneer (talk • contribs)

Thanks Editoneer :) Britishfinance (talk) 15:25, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Mount Brandon

On 2 May 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mount Brandon, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that according to legend, the 6th-century Irish monk Brendan spent days fasting on Mount Brandon before voyaging across the Atlantic to discover Saint Brendan's Island? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mount Brandon. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Mount Brandon), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—valereee (talk) 12:03, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Emily Hale

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Manual of style

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You ever read it? 37.152.231.22 (talk) 22:29, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

I see that you are now posting to other people about me, but studiously avoiding actually communicating with me directly. 37.152.231.22 (talk) 10:00, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I have, and pinged you from the Talk Page of the article in question. And you have reverted against the consensus for the 5th time now, incorrectly claiming that your changes are grammar/policy fixes, when many are not? Wikipedia requires collaboration and discussion - if you are not willing to do so, you will get nowhere (which I am assuming you know, as you seem very familiar with Wikipedia). Alledging discourtesy when several editors are asking you not to revert your changes but to discuss the changes, it not a good way to progress. Britishfinance (talk) 10:22, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Saying "Ohnoitsjamie, 37.152.231.22 has re-reverted their changes" is not communicating with me directly, is it? 37.152.231.22 (talk) 10:35, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

It is, as you were pinged directly? You shouldn't have re-reverted your changes when several editors stopped them and the edit warring notice board told you not to do this again without a discussion, which you did not have? I went to the trouble of going through every one of your changes and picking out the ones that I could support (e.g. grammar, phrasing etc.), and the ones I could not (e.g. using your description of terms vs. the terms per references). Having being pinged on this, you again just ignored it and re-reverted. So, I would say that that the fault of discussion lies with you? You make some good edits, but some are POV or your own style, which you present as being grammar/MOS (which they are not). Not everything that we all do is correct, and on a project like Wikipedia, you have to be prepared to discuss and collaborate in such areas. Britishfinance (talk) 10:46, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I was not pinged. Registered users can be notified by other users and by IPs, however, an IP cannot be notified by any templates or links. And even if I had been, talking to someone else about me in a way that you think I can hear is still not communicating with me directly, is it?

And you're lying again. You reverted all of my changes, not some of them, and I had not changed any descriptions of terms. Stop lying like this; it's not going to be productive. 37.152.231.22 (talk) 11:08, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I didn't realise the [[User:|]] template didn't work for IPs, however, you saw the edit immediately, and simply reverted (again, for the 6th time). It is clear that you did not want a discussion, despite your claims above, but just wanted your non-consensus changes unilaterally enforced. Your 6th reversion was so quick that the edits of yours that I would have supported (per here), didn't save when I published them. By ignoring all discussion and communication (from me and others), you have made it impossible to collaborate on the article. Britishfinance (talk) 11:29, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Another false claim. My edit could not possibly have prevented your edit from saving without you realising. The software simply doesn't work like that. No, you made it impossible to collaborate by a) repeatedly trashing my edits in their entirety, b) not even attempting to explain yourself until days later, c) refusing to communicate with me directly until just this morning, d) lying about your own and my edits. If you had, at the time, said something like "agree with grammar fixes, but reason for text X is guideline Y and policy Z", I'd have said something like "hey thanks, I did not know about guideline Y or policy Z and will endeavour to follow them in the future". But that was not the kind of interaction you wanted, was it? 37.152.231.22 (talk) 11:35, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

My response is per the Talk:Lists of mountains and hills in the British Isles#Courtesy. Britishfinance (talk) 11:53, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

• Blocked as an account of LTA BKFIP. Britishfinance (talk) 18:41, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

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GAN Tax Inversion

Hi - just writing a personal note, instead of the bot-induced one you will get shortly. Just wanted to say, although I failed the nomination, I do see you have put a lot of work in. I've tried to be as constructive as possible with my comments and hopefully they are useful for future improvement and assist towards resubmission, which I would strongly encourage since this is an important article, IMHO. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 18:23, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Goldsztajn, I am pretty busy in RL at the moment, so let me think about it and come back on your comments later on if that is okay. thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 10:20, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Ben Lugmore

On 10 May 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ben Lugmore, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ben Lugmore is the second-highest peak on the 15-kilometre (9.3 mi) Mweelrea Horseshoe, which has been described as one of Ireland's "top three" mountain walks? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ben Lugmore. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Ben Lugmore), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 12:01, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Philip Treacy

Hello! Your submission of Philip Treacy at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 09:59, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for MacGillycuddy's Reeks

On 14 May 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article MacGillycuddy's Reeks, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the peaks of the MacGillycuddy's Reeks, Ireland's highest mountain range, are all on private property? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/MacGillycuddy's Reeks. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, MacGillycuddy's Reeks), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:03, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Carrauntoohil

On 18 May 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Carrauntoohil, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the most straightforward way to ascend Carrauntoohil (pictured), Ireland's highest mountain, is via the Devil's Ladder? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Carrauntoohil. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Carrauntoohil), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Luggala

On 21 May 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Luggala, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the fictional village of Kattegat in the television series Vikings is located at the base of Luggala in County Wicklow, Ireland? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Luggala. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Luggala), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

--Guerillero | Parlez Moi 00:01, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar

You have done an amazing amount and type of work on Moderna. You sliced through countless sources of deep technical, bioscience, and news material and summarized it very well for the layperson like me. I'm trusting that it's accurate, LOL, but I can testify that you made all the key points comprehensible. I think I'm a meaningful representation of such global readership. I was idly curious about a critically important highlight in recent world news, but I would never have learned about it without this comprehensive summary, so that's why I even joined contributing at all. The best I can do in something so technical is copy editing, so I did that in order to learn more and to honor the other contributions which have been mostly from you lately. Thanks. — Smuckola(talk) 20:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for that Smuckola - appreciated. Britishfinance (talk) 11:05, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

close

I do not know how to close these. But you do. Lightburst (talk) 02:18, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done, that was a valid WP:SCKRT. Britishfinance (talk) 11:03, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

WIkidata descriptions

They can be pretty bad. We don't use their infoboxes because anyone can and does edit them, and this in case it doesn't actually match the description in the lead. Doug Weller talk 17:33, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Good point Doug Weller, on reflection, that was not a good short description for the topic in question. thanks again. Britishfinance (talk) 18:15, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	For all of your hard work responding to edit requests at Talk:Boogaloo movement. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:28, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for that GorillaWarfare. It has been a pleasure and a learning experience editing alongside you on the article and talk page. It is you who should be getting the barnstars for your extraordinary patience and fairness with all contributors, and commitment to accuracy – very impressive :) Britishfinance (talk) 18:29, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Philip Treacy

On 9 June 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Philip Treacy, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Irish milliner Philip Treacy said of the controversy surrounding his "pretzel hat" for Princess Beatrice, "I thought I would find myself with my head on a spike outside the Tower of London"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Philip Treacy. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Philip Treacy), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Nomination withdrawn

I request close of this one if you can. Lightburst (talk) 02:31, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

I see it has already been done. Thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 08:06, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks...This one looks pretty snowy too! Lightburst (talk) 15:13, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Agree, but also beaten to it. thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 16:19, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	For excellent work in deleting the Calvin Lo article and finding a new approach to Afd to enable the deletion of dodgy paid articles that are not worth the paper they are written. Well done!!!. scope_creepTalk 08:59, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for that Scope Creep :) Britishfinance (talk) 10:42, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations

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ANI notice

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RfA?

I wonder if anyone has ever approached you about running, or if you'd be interested? We need more hands on deck, and from what I know of you, I think you'd be a strong candidate. GirthSummit _(blether) 15:56, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Girth Summit. It has been mentioned to me in the past but for various reasons I have not been in a position to consider it. Not a process that I would relish undertaking, but let me think about it. Thanks for your kind suggestion however :) Britishfinance (talk) 08:26, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Britishfinance, please do think about it. The process is pretty variable, depending on a number of factors, but you've got a lot going for you in terms of both content creation and behind-the-scenes stuff - I think you'd be a good fit. Feel free to ping me here, or drop me an e-mail, if you'd like to talk it through. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 09:05, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again for that Girth Summit. Let me have a read through and think about it and I'll come back to you. All the best. Britishfinance (talk) 10:17, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

WT:RFA#Mid-September_Flight. Just sayin'. GirthSummit _(blether) 12:38, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Arshi Khan

Hi why do think she is a celebrity only by one reality show and joining politics. The sources you gave doesn’t make her a star like Hina Khan or Divyanka Tripathi. She is not known for anything of that sort only she is known for Bigg Boss 11 that’s. Doing small roles in shows and joining politics doesn’t make her a celebrity. Just accept it that it’s going to be deleted and she is not a star. Thank you TVactors (talk) 18:30, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

TVactors, please don't personalise Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arshi Khan. Note that Arshi Khan's BLP has been extensively vandalised and socked (and regularly protected). Britishfinance (talk) 20:30, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

How is that related to her page being deleted. The sources you gave are not relatable and doesn’t mean she is notable so it will be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TVactors (talk • contribs) 20:51, 5 July 2020 (UTC) BLOCKED SOCK. Britishfinance (talk) 19:26, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

MIT fraternities

Hi - I saw your recent flurry of edits to the MIT Greek page, and thank you for your careful reading. Some of these I intend to roll back because there is a solid rationale for them -- just giving you a heads up. Of course a gallery is not needed for a single photo. But I am actively working on the page, noted as such, and have solicited free license shots of the other groups that should be available to us soon. So I left that gallery structure in place, along with an earlier note pointing out the process of image uploading (another editor deleted it prematurely). Further, "Greek" used with the capital letter is a term of art, defined here as fraternal societies, hence the capital letter. It's common syntax on these and hundreds of other pages used by participants and interested parties. I see your concern over the Wikisandwich (hadn't noted the name of that issue before), and will evaluate the formatting for look/feel in respect to your experienced perspective. I personally like some of these images to show up on the left, and especially the colored "Fraternities" graphic. But I will avoid the sandwich effect that may be problematic for some screen sizes. Finally, I am weighing what to do about the FSILG abbreviation that you removed. It is commonly used within this MIT community, but not at all by Greeks from other schools. Without defining it it becomes troublesome to refer back to it. Such a damn, long name. You also took out a link at top to the list below, which I think is helpful to readers... Jax MN (talk) 20:24, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Jax MN. Glad to be of help. Your article is a bit "cumbersome" in terms of layout (e.g. several WP:MOS issues), and content (too long in places without enough referencing). Avoid repeating items from the article (even FSILS in a heading - it is already in the lede) in the section titles (readers already know where they are). The section heading should, therefore, be simple and obvious (shorter is much better). When you have more images, use galleries, but when it is only one, don't, as it looks odd. I only removed FSILG from a section heading, but have it in the WP:LEDE (the most important part!). Hope that makes sense? Britishfinance (talk) 20:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Much, thanks again for taking the time to help. Jax MN (talk) 21:38, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

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Modified GNI

Hi there, your analysis of Ireland's Celtic Tiger bubble/crash is very simplistic and at odds with the mountains of research and policy analysis relating to it. Hard to know where to start really in terms of putting things right: read the Regling or Honohan reports, for example, or any of the NCC reports from the mid-2000s, or any of the academic research on Ireland's bubble/crash. In short, though, as I tried to show with my initial edit, GNI* actually rose by more than GDP 1995-2007 so there is simply no way that exaggerated national accounts drove both internal and external optimism about Irish economic conditions, leading to the Celtic Tiger bubble/crash. I appreciate your passion on the topic of Ireland's tax system but that does not mean that everything is related to your topic. In this instance, Ireland's bubble was driven by a classic Kindleberger cycle of a favourable shift in underlying economic conditions (entry into the Single European Market and the eurozone), followed by lack of control by policymakers over credit growth (especially in relation to leverage ratios), leading to Irish banks borrowing short and lending long, with predictable results. Exaggerated GDP simply doesn't come into it. Pecheneg860 (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

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Tax Rebate Award

	Tax Rebate Award
	Just a quick note to thank you for your efforts improving the coverage of tax and finance topics on Wikipedia. These are very important topics that are rarely explained so well. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:53, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Onceinawhile, only getting back to WP after a break. Very nice of you to say that. Britishfinance (talk) 21:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

CFD for neologisms categories

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Media request

Hello Britishfinance, I am currently writing a piece for my media on the edition of asset management companies' Wikipedia pages and have stressed that you've into editing some of them. Is there any way I could reach you in private to discuss this ? Best. AP Journo — Preceding unsigned comment added by APJourno (talk • contribs) 11:24, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

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Welcome back!

It took a few weeks in the summer to realise you were fully away; great that you've been able to come back. I hope, in this strange period, that all is well, and that work and other RL allows some WP, time-to-time... SeoR (talk) 19:39, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks SeoR, appreciate that, and hope you are well too ! Was promoted way above my competance in RL which materially reduced my time for anything else. However, things are settling down again and the most recent lockdown has bought me some time again. Hope to get my particupation back up again at some stage. Britishfinance (talk) 21:17, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Glad to see you back! I was worried the COVID got you. Hog Farm _Bacon 00:47, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I understand, real life demands (family mostly, but also expanding responsibilities at work) drove my multi-year 99% absence before, and there are still periods... Sometimes you just need to concentrate, especially with colleagues depending on you. But you were missed here (as was another of the small band of very active Irish editors, who also had to take a break), and I hope there are open times, and not just from lockdown! - and that you're not put off by an ANI, I see below, already showing up :-( The nonsense side of Covid, I gather, you'd think people could focus on what needs to be done. For now, keep safe, SeoR (talk) 13:02, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

ANI Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Personal attacks - accusations of sockpuppetry by User: Britishfinance. Thank you. 69.174.144.79 (talk) 03:50, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for notifying me 69.174.144.79, I have made a statement there now. Britishfinance (talk) 13:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

In case you haven't noticed, someone has opened another discussion about you at ANI (and failed to inform you) - the discussion is at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Review_requested:_Personal_attacks_-_accusations_of_sockpuppetry_by_User:_Britishfinance.Nigel Ish (talk) 15:23, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for that Nigel Ish, once more into the breech ..... Britishfinance (talk) 18:56, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

Just read your articles on Irish and Dutch BEPS tools. Absolutely incredible work. Cheers.--JBchrch (talk) 19:16, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

You would not believe the grief I went through for writing about this material - your kind comments are appreciated. Britishfinance (talk) 19:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Mary Colwell

If you've a chance any chance of having a look at Draft:Mary Colwell as I think you may get an article out of it a darn sight quicker (and better) than I will. I think there's enough for a blp(living) type article. If you don't have time no worries. Most of the refs. are on it. Thanks. Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:41, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Djm-leighpark, good to hear from you. Been away for a while with work but have time again. Let me take a look over the next few days. Hope you are safe in these mad times. Britishfinance (talk) 21:15, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Was grateful to have survived the Covid with a "mild" though have been a tad fatigued at times since. Thnaks for the work-over on Colwell ... it needed someone other than me to work it and I think you're re-factoring's been useful. Thanks, Djm-leighpark (talk) 16:19, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Went WP:BOLD and sent it to mainspace to get it off by to-do list. Thanks for your help as I was stumbling on this and thanks for the last bit of clean up as well.Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:20, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Djm-leighpark, looks like it has been patrolled and is now live! Sorry about the format change (only realized it late), however, I see you have now unified it. Interesting lady and will try to keep on adding bits (especially her BBC producer parts) if I see more. Nice work :) Britishfinance (talk) 20:22, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

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List of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll

Hello im not sure if you were editing the titles in this page because of my edits but regardless Mass Killings by Communist Regimes can still fall under Wars and Armed Conflict equally so as European Colonization. They both have unarmed killings, tortures, work camps, executions, disease and famine. So either they both fit under Wars and Armed Conflict or they can both go to other lists on that article.Danielbr11 (talk) 21:48, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

• Hi Danielbr11. Per WP:MOS, the sub-section headings are long (very descriptive). Try and pair them down and let the first sentence of the sub-section give any clarification/further detail. Hope that makes sense. Britishfinance (talk) 22:36, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	For your work on Mary Ann Mansigh. Kj cheetham (talk) 17:50, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks Kj cheetham – much appreciated ! Britishfinance (talk) 17:53, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

"BMK's habits"

Hi! I didn't quite understand your comment about my "habits". What habits are those? If they're bad, I can try to change them. Best, Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Beyond My Ken. She seemed very familiar with the excellent work you do on patrolling neo-nazi type articles (i.e. likely a regular user with other accounts). Don't change, and great job spotting this :) Clearly, somebody paying to use Wikipedia as their CV. Britishfinance (talk) 00:44, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah! Now I understand what you meant. Thanks, and thanks for the support. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:48, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Draft for Flagship Pioneering (Moderna investor)

Hi, I work for Flagship Pioneering, the company that founded Moderna. I saw you've done extensive editing on the Moderna article and wanted to know if you could take a few minutes to look at Draft:Flagship Pioneering and consider whether it is ready to be published. Thank you! Rachel at Flagship (talk) 16:36, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

• Hi Rachel at Flagship, you should have no problems there as the refs (I attached another one in the External Links section) would meet WP:NCORP notability (i.e. it is a standalone notable entity, separate from its founder). Critical that the article sticks to the company and its portfolio companies, and not the founder, or else other editors may argue that they should be merged into the founder's WP:BLP. I don't work the AfC queue, but let me check if I can approve this now. Britishfinance (talk) 20:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Britishfinance! Just curious if you're able to approve the draft, as you suggested a few days ago. Really appreciate you taking the time! Thanks! Rachel at Flagship (talk) 13:57, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

HI Rachel at Flagship, you are all done and it is now Flagship Pioneering. I have left a note on the Talk Page on why I think it meets WP:NCORP, and to advise you to be careful in what you add to it. thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 15:09, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Britishfinance, thanks a lot for your help! Appreciate your time and input! Rachel at Flagship (talk) 17:11, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Welsh fiscal deficit

I thought this discussion could be in your area of interest: Talk:Welsh_fiscal_deficit#Neutrality_and_pov Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:32, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Yikes, I had just edited on Northern Ireland fiscal deficit, might wait first before joining this, as it looks like it will take time to resolve? Lots of apples-to-oranges comparisons in evidence. Britishfinance (talk) 12:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

I would definitely appreciate your input at this article, I'm just not sure how to deal with this issue. (t · c) buidhe 04:22, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

I will give it a look Buidhe and try to help; it seems to have gone in various directions (rather than just an article on the mechanics of the pure metric and then a contained discussion in the "Implications" section on its relevance - and limitations - regarding the financial condition of Wales). I wonder if Laurel Lodged would also help? Britishfinance (talk) 15:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

What seems to the main problem with the article as you see it? Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Buidhe and Laurel Lodged, I have re-structured the article to focus the concerns about the metric to a separate section (rather than spread all over the article), which can then be worked on for OR etc. I hope this helped, and I will keep an eye on it. Britishfinance (talk) 19:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

That's good. I'll review it for OR now. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:01, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Looks like a great improvement to me. (t · c) buidhe 20:05, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Great Buidhe, could be a chance of an SPI there having looked at the interaction analyzer? Britishfinance (talk) 20:48, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Possibly. I have no experience with sockpuppet detection so unfortunately I don't know. (t · c) buidhe 21:29, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

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• A request for comment is open that proposes a process for the community to revoke administrative permissions. This follows a 2019 RfC in favor of creating one such a policy.
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• There have been a number of reported issues with Pending Changes. Most problems setting protection appear to have been resolved (phab:T273317) but other issues with autoaccepting edits persist (phab:T275322).

Arbitration

• By motion, the discretionary sanctions originally authorized under the GamerGate case are now authorized under a new Gender and sexuality case, with sanctions authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to, any gender-related dispute or controversy and associated people. Sanctions issued under GamerGate are now considered Gender and sexuality sanctions.
• The Kurds and Kurdistan case was closed, authorizing standard discretionary sanctions for the topics of Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed.

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Shurely some mistake?

Britishfinance, we only got you back two months ago (when I put a Watch on) ... is this some hijacking incident? We lost a prolific anti-vandal person, CLCStudent, who did quite a lot on Ireland, recently (I understood the issues there) - and you have expanded, I see from Contribs, to many other areas, so I really hope there is some error here, especially as I saw no notice of any potential problem needing checking before. We need more hands, not less... Whatever happens, keep well, see you round. SeoR (talk) 09:20, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm baffled too - no explanation visible anywhere. Hope you're OK. PamD 10:29, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

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• Following a request for comment, F7 (invalid fair-use claim) subcriterion a has been deprecated; it covered immediate deletion of non-free media with invalid fair-use tags.
• Following a request for comment, page movers were granted the delete-redirect userright, which allows moving a page over a single-revision redirect, regardless of that redirect's target.

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• When you move a page that many editors have on their watchlist the history can be split and it might also not be possible to move it again for a while. This is because of a job queue problem. (T278350)
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Arbitration

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Best regards. Some time ago you marked an article with the stub template [3]. I would appreciate if you could review it, to see if the template is still needed. Thank you.--Jairon Levid Abimael Caál Orozco (talk) 22:14, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Taxation of digital services

I made some efforts to improve Taxation of digital goods but needs expert attention. May need to split into Taxation of digital goods in the United States and International taxation of digital services. Whizz40 (talk) 09:48, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Rabbit hole

Hi @Britishfinance: Just found out. Take care and take care to come back. That is the most important step. scope_creep^Talk 14:22, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2021

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Administrator changes

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• Consensus was reached to deprecate Wikipedia:Editor assistance.
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• Wikimedia previously used the IRC network Freenode. However, due to changes over who controlled the network with reports of a forceful takeover by several ex-staff members, the Wikimedia IRC Group Contacts decided to move to the new Libera Chat network. It has been reported that Wikimedia related channels on Freenode have been forcibly taken over if they pointed members to Libera. There is a migration guide and Wikimedia discussions about this.

Arbitration

• After a Clarification request, the Arbitration Committee modified Remedy 5 of the Antisemitism in Poland case. This means sourcing expectations are a discretionary sanction instead of being present on all articles. It also details using the talk page or the Reliable Sources Noticeboard to discuss disputed sources.

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New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021

New Page Review queue September 2021

Hello Britishfinance,

Please join this discussion - there is increase in the abuse of Wikipedia and its processes by POV pushers, Paid Editors, and by holders of various user rights including Autopatrolled. Even our review systems themselves at AfC and NPR have been infiltrated. The good news is that detection is improving, but the downside is that it creates the need for a huge clean up - which of course adds to backlogs.

Copyright violations are also a serious issue. Most non-regular contributors do not understand why, and most of our Reviewers are not experts on copyright law - and can't be expected to be, but there is excellent, easy-to-follow advice on COPYVIO detection here.

At the time of the last newsletter (#25, December 2020) the backlog was only just over 2,000 articles. New Page Review is an official system. It's the only firewall against the inclusion of new, improper pages.

There are currently 706 New Page Reviewers plus a further 1,080 admins, but as much as nearly 90% of the patrolling is still being done by around only the 20 or so most regular patrollers.

If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process or its software.

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November 2021 backlog drive

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New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022

New Page Review queue March 2022

Hello Britishfinance,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently 811 New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All 846 administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

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New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022

New Page Review queue June 2022

Hello Britishfinance,

Backlog status

At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000 at the end of May.

Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).

Backlog drive

A backlog reduction drive, coordinated by buidhe and Zippybonzo, will be held from July 1 to July 31. Sign up here. Barnstars will be awarded.

TIP – New school articles

Many new articles on schools are being created by new users in developing and/or non-English-speaking countries. The authors are probably not even aware of Wikipedia's projects and policy pages. WP:WPSCH/AG has some excellent advice and resources specifically written for these users. Reviewers could consider providing such first-time article creators with a link to it while also mentioning that not all schools pass the GNG and that elementary schools are almost certainly not notable.

Misc

There is a new template available, {{NPP backlog}}, to show the current backlog. You can place it on your user or talk page as a reminder:

Very high unreviewed pages backlog: 13884 articles, as of 12:00, 12 December 2024 (UTC), according to DatBot

There has been significant discussion at WP:VPP recently on NPP-related matters (Draftification, Deletion, Notability, Verifiability, Burden). Proposals that would somewhat ease the burden on NPP aren't gaining much traction, although there are suggestions that the role of NPP be fundamentally changed to focus only on major CSD-type issues.

Reminders

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The Signpost: 26 June 2022

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NPP July 2022 backlog drive is on!

New Page Patrol | July 2022 Backlog Drive
On 1 July, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin. Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles patrolled. Barnstars will also be granted for re-reviewing articles previously reviewed by other patrollers during the drive. Redirect patrolling is not part of the drive. Interested in taking part? Sign up here.
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The Signpost: 1 August 2022

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New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022

New Page Review queue August 2022

Hello Britishfinance,

Backlog status

After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators Buidhe and Zippybonzo, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to Dr vulpes who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.

Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.

Coordination

MB and Novem Linguae have taken on some of the coordination tasks. Please let them know if you are interested in helping out. MPGuy2824 will be handling recognition, and will be retroactively awarding the annual barnstars that have not been issued for a few years.

Open letter to the WMF

The Page Curation software needs urgent attention. There are dozens of bug fixes and enhancements that are stalled (listed at Suggested improvements). We have written a letter to be sent to the WMF and we encourage as many patrollers as possible to sign it here. We are also in negotiation with the Board of Trustees to press for assistance. Better software will make the active reviewers we have more productive.

TIP - Reviewing by subject

Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages by their most familiar subjects can do so from the regularly updated sorted topic list.

New reviewers

The NPP School is being underused. The learning curve for NPP is quite steep, but a detailed and easy-to-read tutorial exists, and the Curation Tool's many features are fully described and illustrated on the updated page here.

Reminders

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NPP message

Hi Britishfinance,

Invitation

For those who may have missed it in our last newsletter, here's a quick reminder to see the letter we have drafted, and if you support it, do please go ahead and sign it. If you already signed, thanks. Also, if you haven't noticed, the backlog has been trending up lately; all reviews are greatly appreciated.

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NPP Award for 2019

		The New Page Reviewer's Silver Award
		For over 2,000 article reviews during 2019. Well done! Keep up the good work! -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:26, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Here is a barnstar to show appreciation for the NPP reviews you did back in 2019. We realize this is late, but NPP fell behind in some coordination activities. We are almost caught up. If you don't want to receive "old" barnstars, please just ignore this and reply to let us know not to send you any more. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:26, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 August 2022

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October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive

New Page Patrol | October 2022 backlog drive
On 1 October, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin. Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles patrolled and for maintaining a streak throughout the drive. Barnstars will also be awarded for re-reviewing articles. Redirect patrolling is not part of the drive. Sign up here!
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• News and notes: Board vote results, bot's big GET, crat chat gives new mop, WMF seeks "sound logo" and "organizer lab"

• In focus: NPP: Still heaven or hell for new users – and for the reviewers

• In the media: A few complaints and mild disagreements

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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello Britishfinance,

Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.

Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.

NPP backlog May – October 15, 2022

Suggestions:

• There is much enthusiasm over the low backlog, but remember that the "quality and depth of patrolling are more important than speed".
• Reminder: an article should not be tagged for any kind of deletion for a minimum of 15 minutes after creation and it is often appropriate to wait an hour or more. (from the NPP tutorial)
• Reviewers should focus their effort where it can do the most good, reviewing articles. Other clean-up tasks that don't require advanced permissions can be left to other editors that routinely improve articles in these ways (creating Talk Pages, specifying projects and ratings, adding categories, etc.) Let's rely on others when it makes the most sense. On the other hand, if you enjoy doing these tasks while reviewing and it keeps you engaged with NPP (or are guiding a newcomer), then by all means continue.
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Backlog:

Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!

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• From the team: A new goose on the roost

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Hello, Britishfinance,

I unsubscribed your User Talk page for the NPP and Signpost subscription lists as you have been gone over a year and a half. If you return, and I hope you do, feel free to resubscribe at the links on the messages. Hope all is well with you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:02, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

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Spread the cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas2}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

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Nomination of Daniel Ivandjiiski for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Daniel Ivandjiiski is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Ivandjiiski until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Schierbecker (talk) 23:44, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wainwrights

Hi there.

5 years ago today [purely incidental, I have *not* waited for this moment!], when you tabularized the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wainwrights , you introduced with the tables a set of errors that have yet to be corrected. Every non-Birkett, in both tables, has the entry for its 'Height (ft)' incorrectly repeated as its 'Prom (m)', which figure is then given the incorrect [but mathematically consistent] equivalent in the 'Prom ft' column.

I.e, the first example reading downpage reads:

122. | Mungrisdale Common | 34A: LD N | | 633 | 2,077 | 2,077 | 6,814 | 90 | NY310292 | W,Sy

which is clearly nonsense as Mungrisdale has a prominence of maybe 2m / 6ft?, certainly not 2077m / 6814ft! Similarly, all the other non-Birkett Wainwrights in the tables.

I'm surprised that neither your good self, nor the Prominence crowd generally, have noticed or at least not commented to date, notwithstanding Wainwright having not that a great deal of concern regarding what is now termed 'prominence' amongst their respective corner of the peakbagging milieu. Hopefully you recall how you translated the data initially, and/or have the patience to try over.

Sorry for the 'hit'n'run' from a dynamic ip address!

Justan Otheranon Hillwalker. 78.150.190.1 (talk) 14:31, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Britishfinance is inactive, Justan. They have not edited for almost two years. You'll have to fix anything that need fixing yourself, or you could reach out to one or more of the wikiprojects listed on the article's talk page. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:14, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Well spotted, IP editor Justan. I think I can see how to fix these. There are only 4 - one of the non-Birketts, Castle Crag, is OK. All very odd. Will comment on the article talk page when done. Unfortunately the file is so huge that my computer is currently struggling to update just the one, Mungrisdale, done so far ... PamD 20:39, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool OK, I closed that page and tried again, editing all 4, and it seems to have worked fine. See Talk:List_of_Wainwrights#Problematic_prominences for further comments. PamD 21:15, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@Britishfinance@Usedtobecool I've updated the outlying fells - took under an hour, quite satisfying. PamD 15:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Conduit and sink OFCs

Greetings. In this article you created, I could find no definition of the word "sink". Conduit is pretty clear, but sink is not. Sink can be a verb or a noun. Is a "sink" OFC a place where funds "gradually decrease or decline in value, amount, quality, or intensity" (verb) or as in a repository "a fixed basin with a water supply and a drain." (noun) or even "signaling incipient nascent kleptocracy" (acronym) and my favorite choice...

Rather than try to figure this out myself, I figured that you would be the best editor to make the addition, if you agree with the need. Thanks!  • Bobsd •  (talk) 16:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Bobsd BritishFinance hasn't edited for the last three years, so I doubt that you'll get an answer. Looking at the abstract of ref 4 it says that "Sink-OFCs attract and retain foreign capital while conduit-OFCs are attractive intermediate destinations in the routing of international investments and enable the transfer of capital without taxation." so I guess it comes from the noun, something into which something flows and stays (until the plug is pulled?), as opposed to a conduit through which things flow freely. Think sinkhole perhaps? PamD 20:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@PamD Thanks for the feedback. I was pretty sure I understood the actual meaning ... it was more a pointy stick to BritishFinance to clarify in the article, since he was the main contributor. I'll see if I can find an additional citation and then clarify the term in the article. Thanks.  • Bobsd •  (talk) 16:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)