User talk:Botto/Archive 2

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Archive 1

Lisa Murkowski

Hi. You've done a fine job on the Murkowski update. One quibble: I think she should be listed as the second, not third, senator to win a write-in campaign. See footnote 9 on the Strom Thurmond article. ^ In 1946, recently-appointed Sen. William F. Knowland of California won election for the remainder of his term on a blank ballot in which all candidates were write-ins. In 2010, Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska was denied renomination by her party but became the second write-in candidate to defeat ballot-listed opponents in a general election. The Knowland victory is not comparable to the other two. Best, Yopienso (talk) 01:05, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Re:Valve

If you want to try to stimulate some activity on the taskforce, the most appropriate place to do so would be the taskforce talk page. Honestly though, I don't think its worth the effort, the taskforce is never really got going and it was probably a mistake for me to even create it in the first place. I've found its been more beneficial to try to gain help from others hanging around individual Valve articles on a case by case basis than trying to deal with the taskforce. -- Sabre (talk) 09:03, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Personal Question

Of course. Hell, you wouldn't need to go back that far in my archives to find me doing something stupid here and there. Hopefully you do stupid things less often, but experience doesn't mean you stay cool at all times or always think things through :) Don't worry about it; just keep looking forward. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 13:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Secondary sources

Hello. From comments you left with this edit, I think you may not understand the importance of secondary sources to Wikipeda. Basically, all content on Wikipedia should be built off of secondary sources. Here's the policy and a section from it:

Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources. Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability and to avoid novel interpretations of primary sources, though primary sources are permitted if used carefully. All interpretive claims, analyses, or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source, rather than original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors.

Hope that clears things up for you. roguegeek (talk·cont) 20:23, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

You may not understand secondary sources, either. This is a topic that is disputed between two different news organizations, categorizing it as a rumor.

While the reporting of rumors has a limited news value, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and should include information verified by reliable sources. Wikipedia is not the place for passing along gossip and rumors.

I appreciate that you're offering advice, but I'm fine, thanks. DarthBotto_talk•cont 03:07, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Show me anywhere in the cited sources provided that say the information is a rumor and I'll agree with you, but the articles from those reliable secondary sources state it as verified. roguegeek (talk·cont) 16:04, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Silent Hill

I saw that you recently commented at Silent Hill's talk page about the disruptive edits, saying you didn't know what was going on so you couldn't comment. Since you're an administrator, I'm asking you if you could get informed about the situation and then comment to help. So far, none has commented. I guess your opinion would be taken into consideration more than simple editors'. Golden Sugarplum (talk) 21:04, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

I've already notified Rjwilmsi and Martarius, who recently edited the article, about the matter some days ago but they still haven't commented at the game's talk page. Could you ask anyone else to give their opinion? Golden Sugarplum (talk) 20:59, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Future films

Please read WP:NFF and WP:CRYSTAL before adding films that have not begun filming to filmographies. Thanks. Cresix (talk) 20:09, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Portal 2 verb tense edits (thank you!)

Just a quick and big Thank You for updating the Portal 2 article. I was going to overhaul the verb tense throughout, but I was happy to discover that someone already took the time to do it!

Culveyhouse (talk) 07:51, 19 April 2011 (UTC) Daniel Culveyhouse

HELLO

I DIDNT MAKE ANY CHANGE TO THE SK PAGE A LONG TIME, I FIXED THE ROSTERS FOR FNATIC AND GAVE PROOF OF IT WITH REF!!!!! AND WHY THE HELL DOES THIS STUPID IDIOT NAME MARK OF THE BEAST OR WHO EVER THIS DUMB GUY IS KEEP REMOVING THE ROSTER. STOP HIS STUPID VANDALISM OF FNATIC PAGE CAUSE ITS MOST LIKELY A SK NUB.

THANK YOU — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.161.176.142 (talk) 21:32, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

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Opinion on a topic

On the talk page of Yomiel, a sock puppet of banned user Fragments of Jade, you have posted a comment that describes me as having behaved in an immature way. I believe I handled the matter extremely civilly and politely, without being rude or insulting Yomiel, showing great comprehension and proposing a compromise with her. I am writing this to express my disagreement. Thank you. Golden Sugarplum (talk) 02:33, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

The incident saddened me quite a lot, because I had asked for your help on your talk page sometime before you posted that comment. When do you believe that the editing was almost ad hominem? Golden Sugarplum (talk) 13:24, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Bickering was minor and only existed towards the end, just before it was discovered she was a sockpuppet. Apart from the claim that she was lying, which is totally founded (our conversation on her talk page can be checked) and wasn't made to insult her, but to warn her, I cannot see any attacks on Yomiel's integrity. I suppose you say these because you have not checked our lengthy discussion on her talk page. Anyways, I'm glad this has been resolved. Golden Sugarplum (talk) 04:04, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

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Re:Neutrality on Dota 2

There are still the POV words and phrases: "light", "nature-oriented", "dark", and "volcanic-themed"; also, the section lacks citations (the official blog maybe contains gameplay info). Hula Hup (talk) 05:23, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

I understand, but I'm afraid that it's still POV, because the bases' appearances are judged by subjective criteria, e.g. the Radiant base may remind one of a forest and someone else of a garden (both have grass) and the Dire base may remind one of a volcano and someone else of a cave (both have a rocky landscape). Now that I thought about it twice, "light" and "dark" are not POV, because they refer to the brightness and not to the fact if the Radiant and the Dire are good or bad. I think that only the reception section needs third-party sources, though I'm not totally sure about this. Hula Hup (talk) 05:54, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

You could periodically check the official website to see if it gets updated with gameplay info. Anyways, good luck with both the sources and the review. Hula Hup (talk) 06:09, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: input

No problem. It's always hard to develop a halfway-decent media article before release... I honestly don't really even try that much anymore, I wait until the game is out and a lot of the fanboy review stuff dies down before I worry about serious quality work. I have no doubt you'll be able to make a good article out of it, and I look forward to it growing as more information becomes available—and hopefully I'll get a shot at the beta too :P Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 19:50, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Team Fortress

Hey, I don't have an account and don't plan on making one, but I saw your Valve Task Force comment on the Team Fortress article discussion page, and left a comment of my own on the discussion page of the types of things I feel would be important for a proper Team Fortress article. If you or your group or whoever finds time to actually fix/clean-up this article, please take my comments into consideration. Thanks. 184.88.235.102 (talk) 06:52, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit war

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Proposed deletion of 2011 Reno Air Races crash

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Changing title of discussion section on mergin The Galloping Ghost airplane into 2011 Reno Air Races

I started a discussion on merging The Galloping Ghost airplane into 2011 Reno Air Races crash. After about twelve comments, including a number of votes, you apparently changed the title of the discussion to include merging Jimmy Leeward. This made it look like the people who had voted for/against the original topic were now voting for/against the new topic.

Please don't do that. If you really feel that a proposal being discussed warrants changing, you should raise the issue with the original editor. If you don't want to do that, you should at least add a note that you are changing the proposal unilaterally. -- Dan Griscom (talk) 23:38, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

I originally hadn't identified you in my post, but I realized that it was important to point out when the change was done, and I figured that if you thought it right to make the change you shouldn't be embarrassed about it. -- Dan Griscom (talk) 01:08, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I absolutely agree with everything Dan has said - you created the problem, then left it for Dan to expose and to clear up. To be clear, do not change the subject of any issue under discussion. As for not appreciating being identified, you identified yourself when making the edit, so it's quite reasonable for Dan to refer to you by your username. If you do not understand the issue please ask on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 17:21, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Assessment of G-NOME

I've assessed the article based on your request. It's currently rated a C-class; however this could easily increase to a B-class. There are plenty of citations and a ratings table present, so a solid "Reception" section shouldn't be difficult to put together. That's really all that I would say is missing for it to be assessed as a B-class article. GRAPPLE X 22:22, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

COI

What?! I understood almost nothing of what you put on my talk page. Can you please reword that or something? --KingFredrick VI (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:21, 10 October 2011 (UTC).

The International

hey, since you seem to be quite knowledgeable about dota 2, does it fit the general guideline (or whatever) if i create a page about the international? the format would be just like any other competitions - introduction, venue, brackets, winners, reactions. thank you Redefining history (talk) 09:16, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

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WikiProject Paranormal

Hey there, just wondering if you'd ever thought of heading over to WikiProject paranormal and playing about with some of the articles there? It's a good place to go if you're into 'fringe' topics. Sorry I couldn't find any sources for your UFO sighting page. Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 15:07, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

I have edited some events pertaining to the paranormal, but in all honesty, it won't help said project if we delete pages that actually compile uncondensed information about fringe topics. DarthBotto_talk•cont 18:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

No, we won't help the WikiProject or the credibility of paranormal articles by making some without taking into account the notability criteria of Wikipedia. Look at my DYKs at the top of this page (Demon Cat, Andrew Green (ghost hunter) etc). They have uncondensed information and stuck! Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 18:40, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

I admit that the Kodiak UFO incident is stuck, as well; it really deserved more attention, but for the most part, sci-fi fans and paranormal buffs, (maybe I'm one), gave it attention, which may have been detrimental.

I do digress, however, that seeing Beeblebrox go after this page is a big let-down for me; he practically haunted me four years ago. DarthBotto_talk•cont 18:50, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm sorry about that, and as I said, I'm sorry I can't find any sources for it. It's like Black Eyed Kids. I want it to have an article, but it's just not notable by WP standards. Very notable in the fringe but their sources just don't count. Anyway, I wish you the best of luck and if you are literally being stalked just let me know (although I can't see any evidence of that atm). Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 19:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh, the stalking thing isn't an issue or concern for me. It just seemed that this administrator was spending all his time canvassing me in the early days and it's disconcerting to run into this altercation with such a familiar subject. No, I'm sure it's not a problem, but I hope I don't run into him too much more. DarthBotto_talk•cont 20:05, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, the Kodiak Island UFO incident article is gone. That's one less article for the project; people could just as easily comb through and pick away the majority of the articles like this, the same way as esports. It pisses me off that Beeblebrox is just as easily here as he was four years ago, when he and I had our first round of arguments and only when he became an administrator did he see fit to shoot it down. It may not be relevant to you, but this article is the only inch he's ever going to get on me; with the measly coverage of the incident, I still outplayed his words and got the last laugh.

I'll keep supporting the project and wait until other articles with better resources but just as little notability get brought up on deletion; I'm going to keep on playing and tear them a new one, as well. Sir, you have a supporter for this project and thanks for you honesty! DarthBotto_talk•cont 09:23, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

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Dota 2

The Malicious user was tracking what I was doing and is trying to get it listed as action RTS only to win a personal bet.

Also having it listed as Action RTS but linking to dota is misinformation; They are completely different genres and having one bit of text conflicting itelf is not good practice at all 96.56.211.42 (talk) 17:03, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

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Re: Barnstar

Thanks a lot mate. I'm usually the lone wolf of the articles I watchlist, so it's always nice having someone to watch my back and make sure I don't screw up : ) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 12:56, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

DotA 2 Competitive Gaming

Hi, you said www.progamingtours.net is an unreliable a source, did you actually check to see? I went through the article at the very bottom it clearly states each touranment is sourced individually and the values are the addition of all tournaments. Quote from the linked to article:

"For those interested on how we calculated the year end totals they are individual tournaments manually researched by us - PGT. Each of these tournaments have their own page with the prize pool and other related information including the source. These tournament pages can be found on our site here(http://www.progamingtours.net/index.php?/Tournaments/tournamentslisting.html)"

If you look at the site it has hundreds of tournaments each with its own page and each tournament its own source. You cannot get more reliable than sourcing every single tournament that makes up the prize pool. Please take another look than undo the change to DotA 2 competitive gaming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grenton (talk • contribs) 03:31, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, I am new to Wikipedia and trying to add more information about eSports. I will keep what you said in mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grenton (talk • contribs) 03:54, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

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Oh, my apologies; I guess in my pursuit of improving the pages, I may have gotten carried away in the details. I hope it didn't disturb their integrity too much. DarthBotto_talk•cont 11:42, 06 January 2012 (UTC)

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Re: DotA 2

It might.... but first there would have to be sources that talk about Dota 2's art style (probable), and then compare it to the original's (likely) and then you have to make the case that you have to include both images to illustrate that text... I think it would be hard to do that. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 04:45, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

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A new posting for COI issues on FortressCraft/Total Miner/CastleMiner has been started

Seeing as the COI discussion you started ended up going unnoticed, and eventually got archived, I've re-started the discussion. I'm not exactly sure how to go about informing the users that have been named, but hopefully this time around, something will be done. The main reason I re-started the discussion was because I had noticed that KingFrederick had removed the Video game clones category that I had placed on the CastleMiner page. I re-added the category about an hour ago, but I then decided to bring this issue back up on the COI board. Feel free to lend your voice to the cause, as I did when you had posted about it. Here's my posting on the COI board. 209.159.183.132 (talk) 18:24, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Re: 0x10c

I'm not sure we actually can put that in the title; on these matters I'm not the expert, and unfortunately I dunno who you should check with to find out (not sure if it's still true, but at least originally you couldn't have lowercase letters start an article, so it was IPod instead of iPod, for instance.) If that's the case here, the current naming is probably fine. You can just refer to it properly in the article body. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 01:49, 4 April 2012 (UTC)