User talk:Bottesini/archive2

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thanks for the welcome

Dear Bottesini,

Thanks for the welcome message. I am on a steep learning curve, but hope I can contribute to this excellent internet resource. GSTQ21C 22:06, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Help!

Thanks for the welcome message, and since you said not to be afraid to ask... How am I doing so far? (my new articles are: LView, CoolMoon_Corp, AutoFreeCell, and Leonardo_H_Loureiro)? I am getting all sorts of errors and warnings, and don't really know how to reply to them. Can you help? CoolMoon Corp 22:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll try. — ßottesiηi ^{Tell me what's up} 22:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the warm welcome

Bottesini, Thanks for the page of useful links. I hope that fellow wikipedians find my edits and additions useful and informative, and the helpful links you provided should help me create better content on wikipedia as a whole. I still have a lot to learn if I'm going to become a regular contributor. If you have any helpful suggestions, gripes, constructive (or non-constructive) criticism, please add it to my talk page. (BTW, how do I customize my signature to create a link to my talk page?) Thanks again Agonizing Fury 22:24, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

More help?

Thanks, I've added the copyright tags. I would like to remove tags, though, and discuss/justify their removal in the talk page. I want to remove the tag that questions the importance of the LView article, by showing other comparable WikipediA articles. Is that, pretty much, the way to do it? Thanks! CoolMoon Corp 22:40, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much

Here's hoping this is the right place to express gratitude :) CoolMoon Corp 22:49, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Request to Remove Items from my talk page

I will have to politely ask that you do not copy and paste portions of user page/talk page, as I have worked hard on them, and wish to retain them as my own. I suggest that you look around some more, and develop your own features (and remove mine). — ßottesiηi ^{Tell me what's up} 23:38, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Bottesini, I am sorry that you feel that way about your very useful tools. However, the idea of wikipedia is spreading knowledge, and upon posting your tools to your user page you have agreed to license them under the GNU Free Documentation License. That being said, as you have requested the removal nicely, I will remove the majority of the copied tools. I hope you do not mind if I leave the create new message tool until such time as I can come up with my own method of accomplishing the same task. Agonizing Fury 23:54, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I certainly don't disagree with other people using my creations for ideas, and the leave message gizmo box, I could really care less about, but my suggestions are not a tool, but something I personally came up with that applies to my own views. — ßottesiηi ^{Tell me what's up} 00:13, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

In that case, I misunderstood the tone of your message as hostile and appologize if the tone of my message seemed hostile as well. It was only ever my intent to keep the Leave me a message link, however due to the fact that the code you used was a little beyond my wiki knowledge, I had to play with it a little to not have the rest of your work in there. Again I apoligize for misunderstading the tone of your message. Like I said I have a lot to learn on wiki. Agonizing Fury 00:21, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Mediation Request

Unnecessary edits and personal attacks are being made by Postdlf and we feel that this person should no longer edit this topic. This person was even told once by an administrator named Mark Gallagher to not revert the page until he spoke with him in private. (Refer to edit history.)

• Reference:

Purported romantic interests

1) Robert de Niro—the "source" for this is an unsourced claim in a gossip column that they had dinner once; User:GODDESSY uses this to verify that Adams and de Niro were "involved." 2) Joan Jett and Marga Gomez—the "source" for the claim that Adams dated these women was once again a gossip column, which didn't substantiate anything more than the writer "heard" that Adams was seen out with them.

I don't consider either of these to be verified (at least not beyond rumors, or the fact that Adams claims to have had those relationships), and I think GODDESSY's insistence on including them smacks of name-dropping, serving Adams' PR interests by linking her to more famous people, rather than providing relevant and substantive information. Hence, I believe the references should be removed. Postdlf 20:29, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Each and every romantic interest listed was not "purported" because all of them were confirmed and tags were removed by administrators. Facts involving romantic interests were placed as fact and have already been verified by numerous publications.

You cannot assume that valid information provided by anyone is "a publicity campaign" and your wanting to remove the information only hurts the overall purpose of this web site (which is to provide as much information about certain topics as known).

The comment about the Public Relations Department was inaccurate and totally personal.

Your comments are (as cited in the example section on the WP:NPA page):

• Accusatory.
• Negative and personal.
• An attempt to use our affiliation as a means of dismissing or discrediting our views.

And no one famous has to promote or be promoted on a free resource page. Many famous people are involved with other famous people so this is not out of the ordinary.

Examples:

• Information about playmate Barbara Moore was verified by the exact same publication (New York Post "Page Six") that mentioned Adams' romantic interests. Information about many other celebrities comes from the same publication and their validity is not questioned on here.

• The Vanessa Williams page has information placed on their with verification from The National Enquirer. That is a supermarket tabloid. The New York Post and The Daily News are both valid newspapers that are even more credible.

• Pam Anderson allegedly had affiairs with numerous celebrities. Their names are all mentioned with their links on Wikipedia, even though proof of her dating them was neither cited or verified.

• Hugh Hefner had even more romantic interest listed, but verification was neither given nor questioned on that subject.

• Pages on playmates such as Jenny McCarthy, Anna Nicole Smith, Victoria Zdrok and several others do not have as many verifications or burdens of proof about their personal relationships as Stephanie Adams.

This list could go on and on, but it will stop here.

GODDESSY

Shortly after the dispute with Postdlf, factual comments were removed from this article by someone named NoSeptember who seems to be on a mission to follow the acts of Postdlf.

Keep in mind that credible sources were cited and administrators removed the tags questioning the facts of the article on the article's page because they no longer questioned its credibility.

Continuous removal of these credible sources by others takes away from the article's quality.

Besides the GODDESSY [1] and Sapphica [2] web sites, as well as other sites [www.myspace.com/goddessy] and newspaper clippings (listed below), we also found links to other web sites which support what we wrote:

• Playboy Bunny Likes Girls -- New York, NY- Playboy's Miss November, 1992 is out of the closet and proud to be Playboy's first lesbian playmate. According to The New York Post, Stephanie Adams, who has written seven books on metaphysics and spiritual awareness, recently broke up with her girlfriend and has been seen around New York with rock icon Joan Jett, lesbian comedian Marga Gomez and a few ladies featured in Playboy's "Girls Of Bada Bing" from the hit TV show The Sopranos. [3]

• March 16, 2004 -- Lesbian Playboy centerfold Stephanie Adams does New York -- Lesbian Playboy centerfold Stephanie Adams, Miss November in 1992, is out of the closet and proud to identify herself as Playboy's first-ever lesbian Playmate. Ever since Adams broke up with her ex-girlfriend, she has been seen around New York City with different people such as rock icon Joan Jett, lesbian comedian Marga Gomez and a few ladies featured in Playboy's "Girls Of Bada Bing" from the hit TV show The Sopranos. [4]

Again, it was proven that the notable people mentioned in the article were associated with Adams and even though the newspaper clippings should probably remain removed, the fact that the comments were proven to be correct should be enough to allow them to remain.

Rather than reverting them, we made recent edits according to online publications and would like for them to remain.

• Before:

Personal life

After dating Casablancas [5] [6], Adams married an Italian investment banker [7], whom she subsequently divorced. She was then involved with several prominent New York City men, including Robert De Niro [8] before becoming the first and only Playboy Playmate to come out publicly as a lesbian. [9]

Adams was in a relationship for some time with a woman named Denise Taormina [10], and briefly dated comedian Marga Gomez [11] and rock star Joan Jett [12]. Adams was later involved with a woman named Barbara Assisi [13] who appeared on the cover of various publications with her including her book entitled Empress. Adams has often said of her romantic life that she is a "Playboy trapped in a Playmate's body." Since then, Adams has been dating a woman who works for the NYPD [14] and prefers to keep the details of their love life private.

• After:

Personal life

After dating Casablancas, Adams married an Italian investment banker, whom she subsequently divorced. She then dated several prominent New York City men, including Robert De Niro, before becoming the first and only Playboy Playmate to come out publicly as a lesbian.

Adams was in a relationship for some time with a woman named Denise Taormina, and afterwards was seen around town with lesbian comedian Marga Gomez and rock star Joan Jett. Adams was later involved with a woman named Barbara Assisi who appeared on the cover of various publications with her including her book entitled Empress. Adams has often said of her romantic life that she is a "Playboy trapped in a Playmate's body." Since then, Adams has been dating a woman who works for the NYPD and prefers to keep the details of their love life private.

It seems as if the people removing these comments are taking this way too personal, refusing to acknowledge the fact that the facts were provided and it is not uncommon for celebrities to often date other celebrities.

As most people know, it is important to add comments if they are facts, but it is equally important not to remove comments previously proven to be facts as well.

Also, personal comments made on the discussion page by a banned user are consistently added back again after we remove them. This is disrespectful and we would like for them to be removed permanently.

Thank You, -GODDESSY

We keep getting logged out by mistake and we won't be back in the office until tomorrow afternoon. We will check back then.

Thank you for your time,

-GODDESSY

• Comment, one thing about all of those sources listed is that it is very debatable if any of them are reliable sources as defined for the purpose of verifiability. I suspect that is one of the big issues here and the reason it keeps getting deleted. Besides, I've noticed that lists of who celebrities dated often get removed as information that is more befitting a gossip column than an encyclopedia.--Isotope23 13:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

By the way, If I made a habit of editing Playboy related articles I would probably wipe out every single example you stated above for not being verifiable by a reliable source... and I might do it when I get done working on my current projects.--Isotope23 13:35, 1 May 2006

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My recommendation

This needs dispute needs to be taken to the mediation committee or arbitration committee (I would suggest the AC) because it involves the actions of an administrator. — ßottesiηi ^{Tell me what's up} 18:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

If you want my opinion... After thoroughly reviewing the edits, I stand by Postdlf and his actions. — ßottesiηi ^{Tell me what's up} 01:00, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, why does having an admin involved change anything? Postdlf and I (and I can't remember if Hoary is an admin, he probably is) are acting as ordinary editors here, not throwing our admin weight around. FreplySpang (talk) 01:15, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree that you have done nothing out of line, but I cannot deal with an overzealous administrator right now. I simply think some other administrators should look over the case. — ßottesiηi ^{Tell me what's up} 01:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Personal Attacks & Lack Of Objectivity Of Opposing Users

The opposing users regarding the article about Stephanie Adams are repeatedly making personal attacks about us, the people who work for GODDESSY, as well as the person the article is about (Stephanie Adams).

This alone is reason for them to no longer be able to edit this article, as their personal opinions and growing hatred is preventing them from being able to provide the facts to the article accordingly and justly.

Thay have been warned, yet their attacks (on us as well as the person in the article) are getting increasingly worse and should they be able to edit this topic, they will slaughter it.

(Please refer to the last three postings as well as other parts of the discussion for mentionings about their repeated personal attacks.)

Thank You, -GODDESSY

Provide, me with exapmles of personal attacks by the arformentioned users and I will see what I can do, but as of right now, the edits that I saw by them seemed to be in good reasoning. — ßottesiηi ^{Tell me what's up} 19:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup and Talk page

My article (LView) is currently marked for cleanup. I will definitively do that during the next weekend (that's how I'll spend my free time :) Once the cleanup is done, I plan to delete the cleanup tag and post a request for review on the LView talk page. Assuming the cleanup is up to WikipediA's standards, will the LView talk page be cleared? Or is it that article's talk pages are never supposed to be cleared? Thank you for the help, and answers. CoolMoon Corp 20:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Double bass page communication

Im afraid I dont have an email address published on WP, but you can say anything you want on my talk page or your talk page. I will see them both! 8-)--Light current 21:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again!

(the noise you hear is me typing the newly learned tips into my WikipediA file :) CoolMoon Corp 00:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

RfA

It appears you have to accept your nomination for adminship on your subpage on the RfA page. Youve not done it yet!--Light current 03:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I edited a page on the poet Philip Levine. He had participated in a lawsuit in 1991 against me and my husband. That lawsuit is in the records of the Superior Court where we live.

Hi! I might be in trouble with wikipedia because I added information on Philip Levine's article. I have proof of what I added but I'm quite certain Philip Levine does not want it known that he was part of a legal action.

My name is Deborah Linton Zike. My email address is (Contact info removed)

Please let me know what I should do now.

Thank you,
Debbie L. Zike

I'll see what's going on. — ßottesiηi ^{Tell me what's up} 23:02, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Your edits need to be citable. If you provide the records and write a less POV version, it could be added. As of it's quality right now, it is not up to standards. — ßottesiηi ^{Tell me what's up} 23:13, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

RfA

Hi! Good luck on the RfA - it's a tough process, so don't get too perturbed if people are very stringent in their comments. To that effect, you may want to proofread your replies to the questions, as there are a couple of spelling/grammar mistakes that are likely to irritate the anal-retentive types like myself! Specifically, 'a lot' is always two words, never one, and 'it's' only ever has an apostrophe when it is used as an abbreviation of "it is", which isn't this case here. All the best, Ziggurat 23:25, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

welcome

Bottesini, Thanks for the warm welcome. I appreciate it.
I hope I will help build Wikipedia by writing and editing
articles of my interests. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Good friend100 (talk • contribs)

Mistake

Sorry, Bottesini I was trying to oppose some other editor. I put in the wrong category. I tottaly support you from your comments, edit history etc. ForestH2

Morgan Woodruff

Hi - I was talking about questions in the page for "Morgan Woodruff"

Thanks Hooiemajoris 17:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

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User page vandalism

I've blocked the vandal and the puppetmaster. Jayjg ^(talk) 21:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Piping links

I've looked over your past edits, and you seem to be replacing several valid links with piped links. You may not realize that links like [[talk]]ing work the same exact way as [[talk|talking]], and are actually preferred. Both will produce a link with the text "talking" linking to the page "talk" (talking). Note that this works for any suffix, not only -ing. —Mets501^talk 22:16, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the Image Tag Replacement.

Thanks once again for changing the tag type for Fuelcell.PNG! Hope to hear from you again. ClassicGamer339 21:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Cleand up (I hope)

I have cleaned up the article LView to the best of my ability, and would like to request that the article be reviewed and, if approved, the clean up tag be removed? Thank you very much! CoolMoon Corp 00:37, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!

Thanks Bottesini for the welcome! I am learning about the processes at Wiki and have contributed heavily with new information and links to my own photo galleries. Seicer 18:13, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks...

Thanks for the welcome...I'm not too good at making pages yet but I'll learn. I hope to be able to help out with this great encyclopedia and to learn a lot in the process. If anybody wishes to edit my new pages, by all means do so because I know they aren't terribly good yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nadal Kenlyl (talk • contribs)

Thanks for the barnstar

Thanks for the barnstar! I appreciate spreading the wikilove! Ziggurat 00:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikification pending :)

Thanks again for the reply and suggestions. I will start (and hopefully finish) the wikification process... yes, you guessed: next weekend - probably on Sunday - until then, take care. CoolMoon Corp 01:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

AWB

Sorry about taking awhile to get back to you. The reason I didn't approve you is that the AWB requires 500 article edits to use. While you have 1516 edits, only 373 of them were to articles, putting you under the limit. My apologies for not replying sooner, I was busy deleting some personal info from a page's history. Please do re-apply for the AWB as soon as you get 500 article edits. Good luck, and happy editing! Prodego ^talk 01:53, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Zim

Excuse me, but I tthink that having the category button for the List of characters from Invader Zim page is pointless if it already appears in the header of that category. Could you explain the logic of putting it back in there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Devilmaycare (talk • contribs)

signing

My appologies for not signing my last message. It was my first time sending a message to a user, and I was under the inpression that sent messages would be signed. Apparently not, I'll keep that in mind in the future, thanks Devilmaycare 21:02, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

WKCR Stub Expansion

Bottesini, thanks for the cordial welcome message! I'm working on expanding the WKCR stub into a full article and while I'm doing my best to make it adhere to the highest standards possible, I feel as though it's noticeably un-wiki-like in comparision to other pages. Might you be willing to take a look at it and give me a few suggestions as to how I might clean it up and expand it?

Thanks, Heller ah um 09:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

User page vandalism

Hello, can you stop vandalising my talk page please. I edited a non-existant user's user page which I was in the process of changing back. I also want to get rid of the table on my talk page but you brought it back... Sgt.Fox 21:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Posting a message is not vandalism. The revert you were referring to was a removal of "Chipseh sucks." from user:chipseh's (an extant user) page. Your talk page is designed to have messages posted on it by other users. — ßottesiηi ^{Tell me what's up} 21:18, 11 May 2006 (UTC)