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uni-top airlines

Can you please correct spelling of the word airlines in article title, thank you.inspector (talk) 17:40, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

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RE: Article request: "User talk:EmilyHannah" - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EmilyHannah&diff=0&oldid=460051816

11/16/2011

RE: Article request: "User talk:EmilyHannah" RE: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EmilyHannah&diff=0&oldid=460051816

Dear Wikipedia editor, Blanchardb and other folks,

I am writing to you on the behalf of my students who recently submitted an article request. Their article was decline due to two reasons:

1. They submitted using an essay format versus an article format. Yet my student clearly stated in their submission that they understood the format was not appropriate for the Wiki article and that they has submitted in this format for the editor's content review.

2. There sources where not acceptable. My students are still developing their content and will have more sources. Regardless, the source they seem to have been penalized for is a URL for their professional organization. For the information they wish to publish to the public their professional organization is an appropriate reference. We are unclear as to why this reference was unacceptable.

My students are involved in a Wiki project. They have investigated issues relevant to equity in American education. In doing so they have researched the Wiki to look for articles that lack relevant information that parents, guardians, teachers and community members may need in regards to schooling. This project is part of our students developing an understanding of the role of technology and information in civic engagement.

We ask that you please reconsider their article. If so please let Emily and Hannah know what kinds of changes you require and they will respond.

Many thanks, Sandi

Sandra B. Schneider, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Education Graduate Faculty, Mathematics Initiative School of Teacher Education and Leadership Radford University sschneider@radford.edu 540-831-5329

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Speedy deletion declined: GermaNet

Hello Blanchardb. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of GermaNet, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: not about a "web site, blog, web forum, webcomic, podcast, browser game, or similar web content" therefore ineligible for A7. Thank you. SmartSE (talk) 19:56, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

The article states clearly that it is an online lexicon/thesaurus, therefore eligible under A7 as web content. But I'll go with a prod. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 20:01, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Maybe, but arguably it is more of a piece of software, rather than a website in the normal sense. Regardless, WP:BEFORE might have been a good idea before a PROD, e.g. this and hundreds of hits in google scholar. SmartSE (talk) 20:06, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: The Honeydogs

Hello Blanchardb. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of The Honeydogs, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: signed band, and has reliable sources. Consider taking to AfD instead. Thank you. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:57, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, not your tagging. Automated editing tools are a mixed blessing. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:58, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: User:Kupike

User:Kupike simply copied existing article on Timothy Steele into user page. How is this at all constructive? Aren't there "sandboxes" for the purpose of experimentation? Publishing a copy of an article in a user page can't accomplish anything other than creating confusion as far as I can see.Jpcohen (talk) 01:25, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Precisely. The way I figure it, this user was using his main user page as a sandbox. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 04:36, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

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Skid Marks (film)

It's a headache when someone begins a stub and then abandons it after it gets tagged. I appreciate that you had the good sense to decline the speedy,[1] and feel rather lucky that I came accross it the day before its 7-day grace period ran out. Acting upon available sources, I have begun expanding and citing the article. Good looking out. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:11, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

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Your contributed article, ICarly (season 6

If this is the first article that you have created, you may want to read the guide to writing your first article.

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Hello, I notice that you recently created a new page, ICarly (season 6. First, thank you for your contribution; Wikipedia relies solely on the efforts of volunteers such as yourself. Unfortunately, the page you created covers a topic on which we already have a page - ICarly (season 4). Because of the duplication, your article has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please note that this is not a comment on you personally and we hope you will continue helping to improve Wikipedia. If the topic of the article you created is one that interests you, then perhaps you would like to help out at ICarly (season 4) - you might like to discuss new information at the article's talk page.

If you think that the article you created should remain separate, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Additionally if you would like to have someone review articles you create before they go live so they are not nominated for deletion shortly after you post them, allow me to suggest the article creation process and using our search feature to find related information we already have in the encyclopedia. Try not to be discouraged. Wikipedia looks forward to your future contributions. HurricaneFan25 01:49, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

You might want to omit issuing a deleion notice to someone who was merely doing routine maintenance and who tried to tag the article for cleanup/deletion just like you did. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 01:54, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, that wasn't intended - the message was for the original creator in its original state. Twinkle messed up. HurricaneFan25 02:02, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Db-unpatrolled

Template:Db-unpatrolled has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. NYKevin @035, i.e. 23:49, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Template:Db-unpatrolled

Okay, template is gone. But how do solve those case now? Night of the Big Wind talk 18:21, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Is it still occurring? -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 14:03, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Maybe it was an old one that was still in the list... Night of the Big Wind talk 17:37, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Association pour le rayonnement de l'Opéra national de Paris

Hello Blanchardb, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Association pour le rayonnement de l'Opéra national de Paris to a proposed deletion tag. The speedy deletion criteria are extremely narrow to protect the encyclopedia, and do not fit the page in question. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Guerillero | My Talk 03:52, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

No problem. As an alternative, I might suggest that the article become a redirect to Opéra national de Paris since it's an organization meant to promote the latter, however I saw no evidence of any independent importance, hence the tagging. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 04:00, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

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Mosaic Publishing page

Hi - I'm new to editing and saw your comments re lack of references and sources on the Mosaic Publishing page. I have added some now, albeit the references are currently to one source. I have also added a link the long-standing Wikipedia page on Erik the Viking (video game). Is this sufficient for now? Any advice you can give me on how to add pages with authority is gratefully accepted. Cnc49 (talk) 00:15, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Those are not the kind of references that would establish the notability of the company: these are merely directory entries that establish nothing but the existence of its products, nothing that would save the article should someone nominate it for deletion. What we're looking for is evidence of substantial independent coverage in reliable sources. The sources you added are independent and seem reliable, but they fail on substantialness and only qualify as trivial mentions in a directory. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 01:25, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your help

Hello, I just wanted to say thank you very much for your help with the John Torboss Underhill article. I was extremely distressed that other people did not see the importance of this Civil War veteran at first. Your assistance has given me new confidence in Wikipedia. Thank you once again. Placepromo (talk) 19:33, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Stop random deletion of articles

Dear Blanchardb,

I'm asking you gently to read the articles before marking them for deletion. Marking the article "Irish Fact Finding Delegation On Bahrain" as "No evidence provided for the notability of this report, independently of the uprising it chronicles. This report may be used as a source for the 2011 Bahraini uprising article, but there's nothing that warrants an article dedicated to the report itself." clearly illustrates that you haven't read the article, because there was no report issued.

Please state specific reasons for deletion of each article, if it's only a matter of providing reasons for notability for each of the articles, then that can be provided. If you suggest moving the less notable reports to 2011 Bahraini uprising article, that's fine as well, but doing it the way you currently are doing is just non sense and I find it annoying. Bahraini Activist (talk) 16:23, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

I have stated specific deletion rationales for each article: there is no evidence of notability. But since you are protesting against the deletion of these articles, I will bring the deletion discussions to a wider hearing. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 16:26, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
So you're saying that any topic that doesn't have "notability independently of the uprising it chronicles" doesn't deserve a separate article? Shouldn't this also include Bahrain Independent Commission of Inquiry article (and many other articles about Arab Spring)? All those topics (you marked for deletion) are notable and their notability can be proven, but their notability is due to their relation with 2011 Bahraini uprising. I ask you again to read articles before marking them for deletion, there was no report issued from Irish Fact Finding Delegation On Bahrain and you still mention the word report. "No evidence provided for the notability of this report, independently of the uprising it chronicles. This report may be used as a source for the 2011 Bahraini uprising article, but there's nothing that warrants an article dedicated to the report' itself. Bahraini Activist (talk) 16:41, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
There you go. According to your wishes, all articles are submitted to a wider hearing for deletion. Your comments are welcome in the deletion discussions, all of which are listed here.
As for the Bahrain Independent Commission of Inquiry, there are sources used in the article that are independent from the Commission itself and they do mention the Commission. Let's have a look, for instance, at what you have as sources for Bloodied But Unbowed (HR report on Bahrain):
  • "Evidence of Bahraini security forces’ brutality revealed". It's from Amnesty International, therefore not independent enough to establish the notability of anything by Amnesty International.
  • "State brutalities against Bahrainis". You state that it was written by a staff member of Amnesty International, therefore not independent enough to establish the notability of anything by Amnesty International.
  • "Bahrain Activists in 'Day of Rage' – Anti-Government Protests in Shia Villages Around the Capital Leave Several People Injured and One Person Reported Dead". No mention of the Amnesty International report there.
  • "The Footage That Reveals the Brutal Truth About Bahrain's Crackdown – Seven Protest Leaders Arrested as Video Clip Highlights Regime's Ruthless Grip on Power". No mention of the Amnesty International report there.
  • "Bahrain King Declares State of Emergency after Protests". No mention of the Amnesty International report there.
  • "Meddling in Bahrain’s internal affairs". No mention of the Amnesty International report there.
  • "Obama: Get Out Of Jail Free For Saudi Arabia And UAE In Bahrain". The Amnesty Internation report only gets a passing mention there.
-- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 16:57, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
The Bahrain Independent Commission of Inquiry is only notable due to it's relation to 2011 Bahraini uprising (there wouldn't be a commission if the uprising didn't happen). According to the reason you provided any topic that doesn't have "notability independently of the uprising it chronicles" doesn't deserve a separate article. If it's only a matter of proofing that the article is notable regardless if this notability comes from it's relation to the uprising it chronicles or not, then this can be provided. What I understand is that notability is the only problem with articles and once I provide third-party references talking about the article it self (not the uprising), then the problem is solved. correct me if I'm wrong. Bahraini Activist (talk) 17:10, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Basically, that's it. But the sources do have to meet the requirements of our guidelines on reliable sources, and not be mere passing mentions. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 17:18, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
And reliable sources should be provided in the deletion discussions? Bahraini Activist (talk) 17:24, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Not necessarily. They have to be provided in the article itself. You just need to state that you've provided them. The community in general will evaluate them, and based on the evidence, an administrator will decide whether or not to keep the article. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 17:37, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
For now I have started proving reliable sources in the deletion discussions. When the decision to keep those articles is taken, then I or someone else can add those sources to the original article. Is that fine with you? Bahraini Activist (talk) 18:07, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm not the one to decide, and if someone deems the sources reliable enough, they'll probably take care by themselves of adding it to your article. So yes, either way is fine. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 18:10, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Good, I'll get this done with. By the way you scared me. I think you shouldn't mark many articles for same author for deletion in such a short period. Bahraini Activist (talk) 18:22, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Underhill articles

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is "Underhill Society of America, and related articles on family members". Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Placepromo (talk • contribs) 21:07, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

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Rogue Clone Article Deletion

Please don't delete that article. I want to improve it and the one on the first book of the series. Please help me instead of censuring me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aliberti (talk • contribs) 17:18, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Your article should focus on the critical reception it received. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 17:20, 31 December 2011 (UTC)


I don't know what that means. Should we move this discussion to the "delete article"? It think it would be easier to talk over there. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aliberti (talk • contribs) 17:25, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

List of The Composers episodes

It's a hoax. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 04:58, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Hyelim

I dunno what's going on, but this is a circular redirect. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 05:12, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I guess it's fixed now. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 05:14, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

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Talkback

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Blanchard you can delete my Beech Grove Amtrak page. I'll redo it some other time in the sandbox or whatever. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Augiejv (talk • contribs) 20:07, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Sir Samuel Garrard, 4th Baronet

Seriously. Stop being a WP:Dick, and give me more then four minutes before taging the article. P. S. Burton (talk) 03:30, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Uh, yeah, I'm the one who removed the deletion tag on this one, not the one who put it in. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 03:35, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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About your concerns of Scooby-Doo The Dread of Chicago Page

MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!! I am trying to propose an Idea and I can't do it on the Ideas Wiki because of a voice actor obsessed maniac! Please leave the article alone until fans blog it on other sites — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graviton4 (talk • contribs) 03:58, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place to try to propose ideas. You have to wait until the thing actually exists before starting a Wikipedia entry on something. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 04:01, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Why deletion tag on my contributions

I create many articels regarding football clubs. This football cubs is very important of korea football history. This clubs won at korean major footbal competions I think your job is wekipedia controller. But this is just my hobby. So I need much time. I'll write this articel with many informations. Pleaes wait and remove deletion tag.Pfrd (talk) 17:35, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Please wait until you get the appropriate information before creating the articles. As a policy, empty stubs and "placeholders" are deleted on sight. There is quite simply no need to create all these articles all at once. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 17:38, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I have to translate korean to English. It needs much time. Pleae wait. I'm not earn money by wikepdia. I have to sleep. and tormmorow have to work. I have spare time, I'll write soon. Pfrd (talk) 17:45, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, right now, not much will be lost if the articles get deleted, and you may request undeletion from an administrator, but one article at a time, please. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 17:46, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

You Do request undeltion to admistrator, You were also controller and you tag on my contribution. You have much time. In korea, now AM 2:5317:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC) I hope you do not intered in my contributions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pfrd (talk • contribs)

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Member assessment at the Canadian Roads Wikiproject

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Harry Baxter

Can you please remove your Speddy Delete tag from the Harry Baxter page please. This is an article about an historically important British Army officer and is under construction. SonofSetanta (talk) 17:37, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

No. I won't remove the tag until the article states what it is that makes him important enough for us to suspect we'll find coverage of him in reliable third-party sources. Just saying he's "historically important" is not enough. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 17:39, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
I have four or five sources already at hand and links to several Wikipedia articles, namely: Punjab Regiment, Royal Irish Fusiliers and Ulster Defence Regiment. I chose to build the article from scratch however rather than sandbox it. SonofSetanta (talk) 17:48, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
May I suggest you take a look now? Far from being finished you can already see that this man was notable and has plenty of reference sources.SonofSetanta (talk) 18:27, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Redirect to Retamosa

Thanks, that is what I wanted to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Villalba11 (talk • contribs) 17:52, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Chris Cuffe

I'm not sure if you noticed, but you admonished yourself declining the A7 tag; check the history. Thought you might have a laugh. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 00:49, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I self-decline on a regular basis. I think that among the memorized edit summaries, I should have picked the one that says "Concerns have been addressed." :) -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 05:03, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Ah. I've had similar things happen to me in the past. It just looked pretty funny. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 05:13, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

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Aga Khan University

I agree with you that the copyvio issues are not so clear-cut as to justify a G12, but I think they are extensive enough that the experts at WP:CP should be taking a look. I’m not looking for any action, just letting you know as you had some involvement.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 23:06, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

O.K

thanks for the warning to be working a little article --BrunoHe (talk) 16:39, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

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Psycon Corporation

Hi,

I was doing on Friday a Wikipedia page about Psycon Corporation. I work in this company and our aim was to introduce Psycon Corporation in english Wikipedia. Psycon is a consulting company specialized in personal assessments, strategic resourcing and leadership development. It's working at the moment in Finland and in Russia. It is international corporation.

I read your message about speedy deletion. What can I do to create Psycon Corporation profile page in english Wikipedia? AmirAlt (talk) 11:53, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

First of all, the fact you work for the company is putting you in a conflict of interest with regard to Wikipedia's coverage of it - even when it comes to deciding whether or not there should even be an article. Wikipedia strives to be neutral about everything it covers, so that means an article about the company should NOT say how the company wishes to present itself to the world at large, but rather how the world at large sees the company, as attested by what can be found in substantial coverage in third-party reliable sources.
My suggestion is to gather the kind of third-party coverage I just mentioned, and write a first draft entirely made with information you can get from such sources: any information not found in them, you omit it altogether, especially if you feel the information is crucial: chances are it's not. Once the notability (that is, worthiness of inclusion) of the company is firmly established, then and only then you should add material found in the company's own material.
If you find that third-party reliable coverage doesn't exist, then that means Wikipedia cannot have an article on the company. Wikipedia is not a vehicle to introduce a business to the world; it is here to provide third-party coverage of businesses the world at large is already familiar with. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 00:58, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I know what I need to do and I will work on it. Thank you. AmirAlt (talk) 07:07, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the Spam

Sorry for the spam page I created. I didn't know how to delete it after I made it. How did you know about it so fast?

Uzicaballz (talk) 20:06, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

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Belcamp bowl

Do you think there is sufficient context to Belcamp bowl that CSD A1 no longer applies? I don't see anything there to tell me where the game is played or by whom so I can improve it; I was leaving it up for a brief courtesy window to the author before I speedy deleted it (which I'm still likely to do, under A1 or A7 (organization)). —C.Fred (talk) 18:09, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

I can tell that it's a football game, so no, A1 no longer applies, technically speaking. But this is a case where I don't think anyone would object a WP:IAR-based speedy deletion: it sounds to me like a game played in someone's backyard. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 18:13, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
IAR or SNOW: there's no way that article would survive an AfD nomination. —C.Fred (talk) 18:14, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
If the creator contests the prod, it will only get the article deleted quicker, I guess. :) -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 18:20, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

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US Patent 5477238

Blanchardb, Per your note, I have modified. Additional guidance is highly appreciated.(OR 16:48, 18 February 2012 (UTC)). — Preceding unsigned comment added by February2012 (talk • contribs)

Just because a product is patented does not mean it's worthy of Wikipedia coverage. We already have articles on keyboard and optical scanner and, to have an article on a device that combines both in this exact combination, you need to show that there is substantial media and/or scholarly third-party coverage of this exact combination. And by "third-party", I mean that the coverage must come from people with no connection to either the lab that developped the device or the patent office that issued the patent.
A patent number is just a catalog reference that merely shows the existence of a device. You need more than that to show that it's actually in wide enough use for coverage in Wikipedia, let alone coverage in a separate article. You are stating the objectives of the invention, while in fact you need to show how people not related to you are actually using the product, regardless of your intentions. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 16:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Think of Wikipedia coverage this way: while on Facebook, Blogspot, your own website, etc, you would state how you want the world to regard you and your products, Wikipedia is about how the world at large actually is regarding them, as attested by reliable third-party references, good or bad. But that means if the third-party coverage is nonexistent, the Wikipedia article itself cannot be started, for lack of material. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 17:03, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Blanchardb,Just added third party references showing that the product based on the patent is unique and invaluable in reducing the amount of paper in maximum efficiency without requiring extra space. Can you undo the pending deletion or further guide me as to how to improve(OR 05:58, 19 February 2012 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by February2012 (talk • contribs)

Now the next order of business would be to change the title of the article. What I mean is that, while we don't have an article titled US Patent 174465 (and I certainly hope we never will), we do have one titled Telephone. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 06:25, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
What I mean is that the article title should be what ordinary people are calling this product when they never bothered to look uo its patent number, or to remember it afterwards. That, and nothing else. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 06:31, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

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New Page Triage engagement strategy released

Hey guys!

I'm dropping you a note because you filled out the New Page Patrol survey, and indicated you'd be interested in being contacted about follow-up work. This is to notify you that we've finally released both the initial documentation about the project and also the engagement strategy, which sets out how we plan to work with the community on this. Please give both a read, and leave any comments or suggestions you have on the talkpage, on my talkpage, or in my inbox - okeyes@wikimedia.org.

It's awesome to finally get to start work on this! :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 02:55, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

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I3D.net

Hi Blanchardb. You nominaed the page on I3d.net for speedy deletion. Although I can follow your reasoning I do think that you made a very quick decission on nominating. Based on the time the page was initially published and your nomination (6 minutes) I can't think that you put any investigation in this matter. Please see my notes in the Talk page. As said: I was still busy editing, and under that probably trying to add other viewpoints and/or changing the setup in such a way that it is more in line with other likewise companies - but didn't get the chance. Anyway: please have a look at the Talk page. Cheers, Tonkie (talk) 00:29, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

The sentence, As such they are one of the market-leaders on that field did it for me. You don't say that in Wikipedia. Ever. Instead, you say something more along the lines of [insert name of major business reviewer here] considers that they are market leaders in that field. [insert reference here] and you put that in a section where it's not really that prominent. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 00:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Apologies

I'm new to Wikipedia so I might have written about something that is not allowed. I'm still learning! I want to remove the article Xavierian entirely, I mean the title still exists. What do I have to do? Cheers! --Ankit 14:20, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

No problem about the removal of your article, but someone found that instead of an outright deletion, it should become a redirect to an unrelated article and made the conversion. I believe it should be left at that. No further action is necessary. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 04:20, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

The AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cornerstone Barristers

Hi there! I'm an uninvolved U.S. editor who came across the above procedure through Old Discussions at AfD. After reading the discussion and the pagespace, I decided to do my own reasonable search. Based on all of that, I chose to assert "keep". Would you mind looking at my assertion to see if anything I've said chnges your mind? No big deal if you choose not to do so, or if after looking again you still disagree. Thanks for your prolific contributions to the pedia. BusterD (talk) 16:43, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

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Abortion Caravan

Hi,

I'm not sure why you nominated "Abortion Caravan" for speedy deletion. Is there something I can do to fix the concern? I'm not sure what about it is promotional or non-objective (as the message I received seems to suggest).

Thanks, Arc1234 (talk) 19:27, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

You have to rewrite it entirely to make it sound like it came from someone who is neither impressed nor disgusted by the movement's achievements. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 19:31, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

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by Berthold Werner
Saint Catherine's Monastery, Mount Sinai

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DYK

  • ...that Anna of Kashin, a Russian medieval princess, was twice canonized as a holy protectress of women who suffer the loss of relatives?


Calendar

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Alec Douglas-Home recently achieved FA status. This picture, in the Church of the Month section, was recently promoted to Featured Picture status. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

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By user:John Carter with inspiration from History2007

Christian art

This section would include a rather large image of a specific work of art, with a link to the most directly relevant article.

Suggestion: Resurrection of Christ, an English 15th century Nottingham alabaster. Groups of painted relief panels were sold via dealers to churches on a budget , who had wood frameworks made to hold them locally. From a huge new donation of images from the Walters Art Museum to Commons, see
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Al Criado

I've declined your CSD here; the line "performing and recording with such luminaries as The Emotions, Nancy Sinatra, Dave Valentin, Dizzy Gillespie, Dean Martin, Stix Hooper, Eddie Harris, The Shirrelles, Billy Childs, John Beasly, Munyungo Jackson, Bill Summers, The Fifth Dimension" is most certainly a claim of significance. Regards, Ironholds (talk) 00:33, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

slow down on the patrols

You patrolled Claudio Botosso. It didn't have a reference. This is the third or fourth time I've caught a BLP article you patrolled without refs. Also noticed patrolling upwards of five articles a minute. Slow down. The NPP queue will always be full. Bgwhite (talk) 05:41, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Given the number of articles I patrol, mistakes like this are bound to happen, and a slower patroller will probably make the same number of mistakes. What needs to be considered is the rate of error per 100 articles, not per minute. Me patrolling five articles per minute usually reflects the fact I'm looking at a batch of similar stubs created by the same person: in that case, looking at the first two or three is enough to convince me that the rest of the batch require no action from a patroller. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 04:10, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Yea, I've heard the same rote response from others and myself. There are tons of things we will never catch no matter how long we look. The problem being is in one week, I've noticed 3-4 patrolled articles by you with no references. This is something that is noticeable right away and is a major failure for not catching. There are no excuses for not catching a BLP with no references. If you are missing the easily spotted biggies, you should slow down and pay better attention. Bgwhite (talk) 04:45, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

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All Time Fashion Icons

Hi. I'm just curious why you patrolled this article as OK without addressing any of what I consider to be glaring issues. Perhaps it was an error. Best, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:17, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

I can't unmark the article as patrolled, unfortunately. I was looking to prod it, but in the end I've decided to give it a few minutes. It's on my watchlist. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 01:20, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
I've prodded it, and I won't object to a WP:IAR premature deletion. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 01:34, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
I notice you also patrolled Endless Entertainment. A further examination of the sources and the creator shows that the subject is unlikely to notable, and the creator has a clear COI. I'm not being picky, but as you know, in order to monitor the performance of NPP as a process, I patrol all the new pages, including the ones that have already been patrolled. That said, are you already using the prototype WP:New Pages Feed? Any feedback would be welcome.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:51, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
I wasn't aware of the existence of that. Looks good at first glance. Thanks for pointing it out. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 03:22, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

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Did you notice

Talk:List of former child stars who have come out as Gay. Dougweller (talk) 12:33, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

No. By the time I got your message, it had already been deleted per WP:IAR by Black Kite (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 01:18, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I've seen that now. Good idea, what a mess that would have been! Dougweller (talk) 05:23, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

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Mission Santa Clara de Asis

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The portrait of Sir Thomas More by Hans Holbein the Younger.

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Regarding speedy deletion

Hello, I am Solarwolf bd. I'm very much new to Wikipedia and very much ambitious to become a good Wiki writer. My first work regarding my own band Seventh Sign has been recently launched in the Wikipedia system. And I must admit it's not fully complete yet. My target is to make the wiki page of my band more professional and more informative such as all the other bands' articles that exist in the Wikipedia Database. I can prove that I am fully aware about the band as I am the Lead Vocalist Tanvir Hossain Niloy himself. I know there are some lacking in my article and I also know that I do not know all the authenticated procedures of Wikipedia article writings.

I, therefore, request you to remove the Speedy Deletion tag from the article of Seventh Sign(my own band) and let me use all of the procedures to make a complete Wikipedia page slowly by letting me know how to make it complete.

I'm looking forward to get your acknowledgement regarding my band's Wikipedia page.

Thank you.

Solarwolf bd — Preceding unsigned comment added by Solarwolf bd (talk • contribs) 07:56, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

First of all, the fact you're a member of the band puts you in a conflict of interest if you edit the Wikipedia article on the band, even with regard to whether or not Wikipedia should have an article about it. Wikipedia is not a social network like Facebook or Twitter. It's an encyclopedia, and as such, it must cover not how you see your own band, but rather how the rest of the world sees it, as attested by reliable third-party sources. Our make-or-break inclusion criterion is notability, whose simplest definition is the measurement of whether or not such sources exist about a given topic, in this case your band.
This has nothing to do with the quality of the article. It has to do with whether or not we even want an article to begin with. See WP:OVERCOME. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 15:05, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Novatec Wheels issue

2012-07-21 Hi Blanchardb,
why did you add Speed Deletion to Novatec Wheels article?
Is anything wrong to publish information about famous brand from bicycle industry?
Are you administrator?
If yes, the I would like to ask you to remove Speed Deletion from Novatec Wheels article.
There are also articles about Fulcrum, Zipp and other brands from bicycle industry and they are published on wikipedia.org
Awaiting your response.
MilanKrus

You're claiming that the brand is famous. However, right now you're giving me no reason to believe this is anything but an empty claim, as you have shown no evidence of coverage about the brand in third-party reliable sources. Please consult out guidelines on notability of corporations and brands which dictate what topics may be covered by articles in Wikipedia, regardless of the quality of the article. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 14:55, 21 July 2012 (UTC)


Blanchardb,
Novatec attend for more than 10 years most important world cycling shows: Eurobike, Germany; Interbike, USA, Bike Show in Japan, Taiwan, etc
Novatec wheels are approved by world cycling federation "UCI" (Union Cycliste Internationale):
http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTYwNzQ&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=NjQxNjY&LangId=1
take look to these links with wheels test reports to learn more about Novatec:
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/components/wheel-sets/product/review-novatec-jetfly-wheelset-09-34055
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/components/wheel-sets/product/review-novatec-x-perti-w350-wheelset-42679
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/components/wheel-sets/product/review-novatec-blast-wheelset-09-34688
Here is video from Eurobike (biggest and most important Bike Show in the world):
http://www.bikeradar.com/videos/novatec+2012
Multiple World Downhill Champion Brian Lopes race for Novatec:
http://mybikestand.com/tag/novatec/
http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Sea-Otter-Classic-Pit-Bits-Day-3,3602/Brian-Lopes-at-Novatec,33304/bturman,109
Novatec in famous websites:
http://www.mtbr.com/mfr/novatec/amc_14742crx.aspx
http://www.mtbr.com/cat/tires-and-wheels/wheelset/novatec/diablo/prd_487140_157crx.aspx
http://www.usacycling.org/results/?compid=312428
There is much more about Novatec written by third party.
Why Fulcrum has right to be in Wikipedia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulcrum_Wheels
2012-07-22, 05:15AM CET

Okay. Before I look into your links, let me put something straight. "Being on Wikipedia" as you put it is not a right. It's not a privilege either. And the tone of your request leads me to believe your intention is to advertize, and that's a no-no on Wikipedia. A Wikipedia article is not about how you want the rest of the world to see your company. It's about how the rest of the world actually does see your company, as attested by third-party reliable sources (that is, the kind of sources where you can't make any change without involving your attorney in the process) which should be the basis for the article. Also, arguments pertaining to what else is there or isn't there (such as your complaint that Fulcrum has the "right" to be there) are quite simply not taken in consideration. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. This said, I will take a look at your sources when I have more time. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 05:09, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


I know Wikipedia is not for advertising. My intention is not advertise but write general info about Novatec like is written for example about ZIPP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipp
It's mean History, Products, Technology we use and we developed and also References.
Regarding references we will show something like this:
http://www.bikerumor.com/2010/10/25/interbike-2010-zipp-speed-weaponrys-new-sl-speed-stem-handlebars-and-posts-plus-aero-tire-rims/
For example this will be one of our reference:
http://www.bicyclingnewsasia.com/en/tech/37-general/1149-tech-review-novatec-speedy-wheelset
http://www.bikemag.com/gear/tested-novatec-diablo-v2-wheels/
Is something like this fine with you?
BTW, sorry if you feel any tone in my explanation, maybe its because my mother language is not English :) Be sure there was no tone, just I tried to explain to you reasons why Novatec should be in wikipedia and I tried to give you some examples which should be better to understand than my explanation.
From other side you can inform me if you or any other guys from Wikipedia feel that some part of article is written in the way you think it should be. I will really appreciate it.
2012-07-22, 11:20AM CET

Dear Blanchardb,
I am still waitin to your response. When you think you will be free to look at my links?
2012-07-25, 08:49AM CET

Okay. The article in bikeradar.com looks interesting, and that is the kind of sources we're looking for. So is, in fact, the article in mybikestand.com. Feel free to recreate the article, but please make sure the readers knows that those third-party sources do exist.
My suggestion for starting the first draft of an article on a company you own (my suggestion, not Wikipedia policy, but it will avoid problems) goes as follows: Gather information you can find in third-party sources such as the ones I've looked into and write an article only from information you can find in such sources: if you can't tell something from these sources you omit it entirely in the article. Make sure you cite your sources. It looks like you've got enough to be able to do that. Then, once notability is solidly established, you may add complementary information from the company's own website. Hope this helps. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 15:23, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for permission. I will ask our people to help me to prepare it and I will inform them to follow your suggestion.
2012-07-26, 05:36PM CET

Battle of Aleppo (2012)

stop putting deletion requests for the article there is really a battle in Aleppo between the Free Syrian Army and the Syrian Army.IF you do it again i will complain against you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.0.208.70 (talk) 18:25, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Instead of complaining to me and/or threatening to file a complaint, you should address the issues that have been raised by me and others. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Aleppo(2012), where constructive and substantial comments are welcome. That's the way it's done on Wikipedia. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 19:33, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

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