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Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Matt_Sanchez

I'm refering the Matt Sanchez matter over to the Arbitration Committee. Given your involvement with the Matt Sanchez article, you might want to comment on whether they should accept or reject the case. WjBscribe 04:30, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Further

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Bluemarine

An Arbitration case has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Bluemarine/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. Also see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Bluemarine/Workshop. -- ALLSTARecho 05:18, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Start Crash Worship music stub

extensive discography, some YouTube as well. Use quotes and google. Benjiboi

moved to todo list. Benjiboi 10:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Trapped in the Closet (South Park)

No gay double entendres for Trapped in the Closet (South Park)? Research, write reffed paragraph and tag for LGBT. Benjiboi

Moved to todo Benjiboi 10:36, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Gaydar - format references

After formatting eyeball assessments for next steps.Benjiboi

done.

Find original articles and link to those for first four refs. Benjiboi

moved to todo Benjiboi 10:36, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Diva's article

Formerly the Motherlode, the t-girl bar, int'l customers, strippers, Redbook may be a resource. Benjiboi

Redbook a dismal forum and gossip site, don't bother. Numerous sites bookmarked under wikiworld. Benjiboi

Moved to todo Benjiboi 10:36, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Start Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity

Bagemihl's book, research book reviews worldwide for criticisms, impact etc. Benjiboi

moved to todo Benjiboi 10:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Bored? general clean-up, formatting on Taurus (astrology) et al

Taurus (astrology) Alphabetize and add b-days to notables list. Benjiboi

Leave it for other editor's unique approach to manifest. Benjiboi 10:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply

Re: your comments here - I would have, only one intermediate revision was made by yourself. Sorry for any confusion. Cheers, --Pumpmeup 11:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I thought i had screwed soething up as I had just moments earlier added that section then it was ... gone! Lol.mistake do happen. Benjiboi 11:54, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays

Format refs Benjiboi

todo'd Benjiboi 13:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Global Language Monitor

Format refs. Benjiboi

todo'd Benjiboi 13:11, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Media portrayal of lesbianism

clean-up and DYK Benjiboi

DYK expired Benjiboi 13:11, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Judy Garland as gay icon

scholar search, add refs asap and DYK. Benjiboi

DYK done Benjiboi 13:12, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

build RSVP Vacations

no rush Benjiboi

todo'd Benjiboi 13:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

build HIV Plus

no rush. Benjiboi

todo'd Benjiboi 13:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

build Gay prom

http://www.gayprom.org/ no rush Benjiboi

todo'd Benjiboi 13:15, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

create bio Anne-christine D'Adesky

warning, major project

todo'd Benjiboi 13:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

LPI Media on DYK

• ...that LPI Media is the largest publisher of gay and lesbian material in the United States with its magazines alone having more than 8.2 million copies distributed each year? Benjiboi

done Benjiboi 13:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Posible rainbow flag addition

File:Bandera Arco Iris Mexicanizada.gif

Research and add to rainbow flags? Benjiboi

will have to be someone else's project seems many flag variations exist Benjiboi 13:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

good job

for messing up chris' talk page history and order of sections--Seriousspender (talk) 15:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

• Just an FYI Benji, I moved from December 2007 archive back to the talk page the section about Buckley since a consensus was never reached and within a few hours of article protection being removed, Reginmund (talk · contribs) came along and removed all of that section from the article. So if anyone messed up the CC talk page order, that would be me I guess, not you. -- ALLSTARecho 16:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

• Actually I think it was Seriousspender who reverted a whole series of edits and formatting in a effort to have the {{editprotected}} section reinstated. To be fair they might not have realized that the article could now be edited. Benjiboi 16:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

oh wow and now your blaming others--Seriousspender (talk) 16:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I've left a message for you on your talk page and consider you check that over. Please do not accuse me of blaming "others". I don't know what you're talking about and find such accusations uncalled for. Benjiboi 16:15, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 January 8#Category:Queer Wikipedians

I am not sure how WP:IAR applies to the discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 January 8#Category:Queer Wikipedians in that no rule is involved. What rule would be ignored? Hyacinth (talk) 18:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Rules of deleting categories. I feel it's ridiculous to spend the community's resources on deleting a category that might help and doesn't seem to be hurting. Benjiboi 00:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Invisible barnstar

I, Allstarecho, hereby award you the Invisible Barnstar because all of your hard word to Chris Crocker (Internet celebrity) has become invisible! ;)

Forgot to say thank you for this! What a cute kitten! Brightened my day indeed. Benjiboi 20:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Pusspuss

survived AfD. -- ALLSTARecho 19:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes! I had saved a copy just in case. There was two two-hour interviews with DJ Pusspuss but I couldn't access them (sheesh now I have to record and save interviews too!), anyway, the article did look like a link farm and now i can try to re-write it so it's not just a ref farm. Benjiboi 20:02, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Chris Crocker

The talk page is not protected, why do you need an admin? —Random832 17:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I did it anyway. —Random832 17:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. In short it's because how the source content s formatted so it would take me roughly 30-50 cut and pastes to your one. Benjiboi 17:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD (Re: List of animals displaying homosexual behavior)

Hey Benjiboi, I thought you'd want to know, someone has nominated List of animals displaying homosexual behavior and its "partners" birds and mammals for deletion. Aleta (Sing) 15:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, it won't go anywhere but they can certainly try. Benjiboi 17:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

And see my keep comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of animals displaying homosexual behavior. Useful wikilinks for you there. I think you should post something about Wales' praise of you and the article prominently on your userpage! It's not everyday someone gets great comments praising their efforts from the founder of this here establishment. ALLSTARecho 19:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol. thank you! I'm reluctant to post such a thing but if I do put together a praise section I might. Benjiboi 19:21, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

PP

Regarding this, Sanchez's block has now expired and he's free to edit anywhere. Just FYI. ALLSTARecho 19:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I think his block is only lifted to expand his being able to address the ongoing arbcom case per [this. I could be wrong but pretty sure he's given that list to specify those pages he's allowed to edit. Benjiboi 19:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

From the edit summary here by John, the Arbcom rep handling Sanchez, it appears otherwise. All the extensions of his original block for personal attackes has made it confusing but as I understand it that original block, once ended allows him to edit anywhere. ALLSTARecho 19:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Well we're reffing the same thing, ha! I think technically he could edit anywhere but the parameters of his being allowed to edit at all is that he's restricted to that list. I guess we'll soon find out! Benjiboi 19:58, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Transsexualism

clean and archive talk page then ref clean-up (convert from Harvard). Benjiboi 02:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Sanchez/Beauchamp

Sorry about that; I stopped watching the Sanchez page when I bowed out in November, and I didn't read all of the talk page cross-talk when I started watching it again two days ago, so I hadn't noticed that it had actually been discussed, rather than just dumped on the page. It looks like the article is going to be retained, which is unfortunate. Since Sanchez is likely to be indef-banned regardless of the disposition of the article, it would be nice to have a clean slate, without all the drama and bile that characterized the old article. Sanchez really isn't all that notable, and I think it should be refocused, but obviously we don't agree. Oh, well. Horologium (talk) 00:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad you posted that ref as Sanchez really had poisoned the talk page and the most basic of changes was like wrestling an octopus! There was too much insistence in his involvement, even if it was from him, for me not to consider it but that section, the whole article really, needs cleaning up. I'm convinced that once he's gotten himself banned the article will go through a bumpy overhaul then section by section the whole thing will stabilize. One way or another a decent article will emerge and maybe Sanchez himself will devote all hi energy into building a new notability so his porn past will be just a footnote in his life (if that's what he wants). Benjiboi 00:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, FFS, Eleemosynary is already at work trying to prevent adding the reference back in (he's the dweeb who has been busy removing all of the references to Sanchez on the Beauchamp article. Can you talk to him? He is unlikely to listen to someone from the right side of the rainbow, but he may listen to you. Horologium (talk) 00:27, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

And even more. Pwok may be gone, but Eleemosynary is filling his role admirably. Do you understand now why I want to terminate the current train wreck and start something a bit more focused? Elee is obviously hell-bent on disallowing anything positive on Sanchez in Wikipedia, which is why an article focusing strictly on the controversy is needed. Horologium (talk) 00:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

LOL. --Eleemosynary (talk) 00:41, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I've responded on the talk page and agree that blocking that ref is silly. However, I also think that the article as is can be salvaged and there are plenty of folks who are invested enough to sort out the nonsense from all directions. There are plenty of RS's covering the subject so I don't see re-purposing this as just about the controversy, which frankly seems a way of mitigating one's past judgment errors rather than presenting a balanced article. You do bring up a point that if this article were huge (which it isn't) we could summarize and list his porn career elsewhere and the same with all his controversies. Your criticism of Eleemosynary does seem somewhat accurate in that the Beauchamp article has been safe-guarded against a lot of nonsense, but in fairness, a lot of that was from Sanchez so I can totally be empathetic with Eleemosynary's view that anything coming from Sanchez was just more crapola to be dismissed outright. It's obvious that Sanchez was involved somehow, why and by whom is up for interpretation, which we don't do, so we'll just have to peice together what we do have and probably tag the section with "it is, as of yet, unclear what role Sanchez had in exposing and reporting the full controversy." Benjiboi 02:44, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Merv Griffin

just wanted to give kudos for the section headings work on mg. hopefully your edits will resolve somewhat of an ongoing low level disagreement. cheers! --emerson7 03:17, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Very welcome, I didn't realize there was something going on but people do get passionate at times! Benjiboi 03:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

huh?

You may want to check out your edit on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of LGBT couples. Benjiboi 00:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

What am I supposed to be looking for? What did you find confusing? The Transhumanist 00:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

At the top of the page you have closing remarks but did not close? Benjiboi 00:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

It also says "Practice closing statement for" Benjiboi 00:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll make it clearer. Thank you for pointing it out. The Transhumanist 00:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, I changed it. Take a look. What do you make of it now? The Transhumanist 00:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Makes more sense now. Benjiboi 02:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. It helped a lot. The Transhumanist 05:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Help with Corey Delaney

Hi, I was wondering if you could help my with Corey Delaney and it's AfD... I fear I may have started another Chris Crocker scale event.... Fosnez (talk) 11:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I would consider deletion review as that Afd seemed less than 24 hours. I was just getting ready to add a {{recentism}} tag as well when i saw it was deleted. Benjiboi 22:25, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Well it appears there is clear concencus that it shouldn't be included.. Such is life - you win some you lose some :-) Fosnez (talk) 00:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I MADE FRONT PAGE NEWS ON WWW.NEWS.COM.AU!!!! well that was unexpected... Here's a direct link to the article. Fosnez (talk) 06:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that Benji. I guess we can't even link to the news about it now. They don't want any mention of him on Wikipedia since he's a minor and unfortunately, I didn't think actual links to news media about him would be an issue but apparently it is. ALLSTARecho 08:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

If he wasn't chicken jailbait I'd say he's a hottie as well! Benjiboi 18:28, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Links on talk pages

I've already ask this of three other people who had the same concern. Could you point out where in our policy it states that any link, placed on a talk or user page, *must* conform itself to our Wiki policies? I would really appreciate it, because it would certainly help me to delete about a few hundred thousand links myself. Thanks! Wjhonson (talk) 03:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I think your search should start and end at WP:LIVING. Although there may not be an exact statement that linking BLP-violating sites built to copycat wikipedia is prohibited it clearly is implied. Are you really working so that a discussion has to take place so a rule is written so that it explicitly says so? I'm really not into wikilawyering but I do understand do no harm, whatever Sanchez's perceived shortcomings he is a human being and probably doesn't deserve to have every detail about his life split open for all to pick through. I've known people who've committed suicide as they thought there reputations were trashed and I personally don't think there is a reason to push people to despair. You state you make your living doing genealogy, well frankly isn't there some professionalism against publicly vilifying someone when you know they explicitly want certain embarrassing (to them) material suppressed? There might be a common sense policy as well, I'll ask and see if I can get a more concise policy since that would help here. Benjiboi 04:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

My site is not "built to copycat Wikipedia", were you unaware that the Wiki software is available for any server owner to purchase? Anybody can buy Wiki software and run their own wiki. That does not imply they are copycatting. The Wiki software works the same no matter where you run it. My page does not "publicly villify him" it presents the evidence that has been so much in dispute. How exactly is anyone going to form an opinion, if the evidence is constantly hidden? Sanchez has never once mentioned to me anything about my page on him. Never. Not once. Don't you find that a little interesting? Doesn't it seem to you, if anyone would complain it would be him? Doesn't it seem logical to ask yourself, why he doesn't? Wjhonson (talk) 04:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Benjiboi, it isn't my search that should start there. I've been here for a very long time. I helped write and re-write the policies we have. I know perfectly well what it does and doesn't state. Simply because you've been misled to think it says something it doesn't, doesn't change the fact that it simply does not say what people are telling you it does say. Read it yourself. There is nothing there related to this issue. Wjhonson (talk) 04:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Your site looks identical to wikipedia and emulates a wikipedia article but that certainly could just be coincidence. I say vilify you say research, in any case we know that he does not want the information about his porn past and escorting published anywhere so hard to claim that just because he hasn't yet honored you with a direct request to cease and desist that he doesn't include you in his general wish to bury that information. Wikipedia's job isn't to provide every shred of evidence so that people can inform an opinion; we summarize what reliable sources have published. If you are working for a news outlet and want to share your original research then that is your right I guess - it's also Sanchez's right to sue if he feels it's worth his effort. Benjiboi 04:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Even if the policy doesn't explicitly state such links violate BLP the spirit of it certainly does, to me, that and common sense should say it's not a good idea until you get some admins who state that it seems fine. Instead you have many folks saying the opposite. Benjiboi 04:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Look at my history information, I've been here for years. My own Wiki site, using Wiki software, might look similar to Wikipedia, because it uses the exact same software, and because I'm a long-time Wikipedian. This page has been here for quite a long time, look at when it was first created. With the volume of output Sanchez generates does it really seem rational that he'd let it slide for so long? I never said that Wikipedia's job is to provide every shread of evidence. If you view my comments on the Evidence page of the ArbCom in fact, I say just the opposite. I am quite aware of what our policies state on Undue Weight. I'm sure you think you're teaching me, but consider the *evidence* that Sanchez has ever actually sued anybody. There isn't any. You can't sue for libel if a person is only presenting evidence. Libel involves creating brand new "facts" which aren't true. It's not about research and citing sources. Ask yourself who are the people saying they don't like external links which don't adhere to our policies? Aren't they the exact same people weighing in at ArbCom on the side of Sanchez? And who are the people who are not saying anything about it? Everybody else? That's an awful lot of people. You, as well as anybody is quite welcome to submit your idea to the Talk board at BLP and see if it flies. That's the way we work, by consensus. Not by people posting their opinions all over my page with no evidence and without following policy. Wjhonson (talk) 05:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Folks wiser than myself on such things suggest that this and WP:LINKLOVE cover the subject nicely, I'm sure if you wish to wikilawyer into still using a link somewhere it is your right but I can't support it and I think if the roles were reversed and you felt harassed you might easily feel the same way. Benjiboi 18:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

My page does not constitute harassment in any way shape or form. In fact Benji, in the entire year or so that it's been up, not a single site visitor has ever complained that's its harassment, and that includes Matt himself. The sole people it seems, who have stated that unfounded claim, and only in the past week, have been those who are now supporting him in the ArbCom case. Wikilawyering has nothing to do with following our consensus-established policies which are quite clear on this matter, imho. It's a bit of a stretch to claim that "material" includes a link with no embedded text. As you well know links here are no-follow, so nothing appears within the cache from my site, that is quite different from posting "text" here which would indeed appear in a search engine, re this site. I would certainly not, contrary to your view, feel that presenting my entire online-life, from A to Z fully sourced and cited, constitutes "harassment". If you investigate something and some people find the *results* unseemly (I personally have no opinion) that will then claim that it's harassment. That claim does not make it however harassment. Just as with others, if you can actually cite and quote any specific statement from my page, which is not fully sourced and cited, please do so. I am quite eager to correct any perceived harassment, but won't do it at the sacrifice of the cited and quoted sources. You may however want to weigh in on Matt's brand-new personal attacks against me, just to give yourself a balanced view. Wjhonson (talk) 19:32, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll rest my case on the above and choose to stay clear of furthering my entanglement. Unless I'm asked to take part in the Arbcom I really have no interest as I feel my comment on the discussion there is enough. I am, by no stretch of the imagination, a Sanchez supporter, I do however respect the rights of all users and those we write about so will choose not to further what I feel is BLP violation. I do agree that it would make sense to have a stated policy so that it was clear for all. Benjiboi 19:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your balanced conclusion. I as well feel that should we wish to have a policy statement forbidding links everywhere within Wikipedia (as opposed to article-space), if the link is to a page which violates some policy, or more specifically some BLP policy, that that should be a very clear statement, on the relevant policy page, to prevent this sort of conflict in the future. Sorry for the long sentence. I would recommend that anyone in favor of such a policy statement should submit it to the BLP Talk page to see if consensus can be there reached. Wjhonson (talk) 21:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you are

File:A few of the boys.jpg ]

OK, what did I do this time? Benjiboi 04:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

lol just being you. and i don't need a reliable source for that! :P ALLSTARecho 04:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol. As was said about Ralph Wiggum, not a man but a very special boi... Benjiboi 04:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I just liked the image and wanted to use it somewhere. lol ALLSTARecho 04:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk:List of animals displaying homosexual behavior

Thanks for fixing that formatting problem. I wasn't sure where to place the oldafdfull tag, as this was a bit more complicated than I thought, what with a shared talk page between three articles, and a whole lot of other tags. Had to feel my way around on this. Not bad for my very first AfD closing, still. :-) PS - Was the rest done correctly? — Becksguy (talk) 02:21, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. I'm so used to moving talk page items for formatting so that was no biggie. And since all three AfDs were rolled into one the placement on that page is perfect as the talk pages are transcluded to all three articles. Benjiboi 02:26, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

More Sanchez

You had asked me a while back if any of Sanchez's film got awards. I had my hands full there so I didn't get a chance to answer you. Sorry about that. I'm not aware if any did, somewhere in the back of my mind it seems like one of them did? But I don't think I really did in-depth research on that, I think I might have seen a reference just in passing while I was looking for something else. The full list as I've found so far anyway (49) is in my article with links to either IMDb or IAF or whatever it's called :) So you're welcome to take a look.Wjhonson (talk) 12:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, much appreciated. At some point, (sigh), someday, an insightful sentence or two about his porn, ahem, output should be pieced together and the reviews at AVN would make sense to ref for that. Through that process we should be able to suss out which handful should be listed in the article, which work in the essay part and the rest can be ignored or link to complete list elsewhere. If you happan to see an award for one please leave me a note here pr on the article talk so we can reference it. Benjiboi 12:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

By the way Benji, "snarky" is an excellent word. I saw you use it on the AfD ;) I'm going to steal it. Wjhonson (talk) 13:18, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol. Yes, it seems to cover a host of unseemly attitudes. Benjiboi 14:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Enola Gay

Hi, I'm not sure if you left this message on the Enola Gay talk page or not [1]. The date/time stamp has me a little confused. If it was you, could you please go back and fix the time stamp (I'd do it, but I would rather not mess with other people's posts). Also I left a response to your question. Davidpdx (talk) 11:08, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I actually moved the comment from the gay talk page but will see if i can help. Benjiboi 13:31, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

Delivered sometime in January 2008 (UTC). SatyrBot (talk) 23:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Dorothy's minions

I swear, those denture queens will be the death of me. Jeffpw (talk) 21:04, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol. I'm sure they actually do mean well even if they seem to act as flying monkeys. Hopefully they swoop into action on an article that needs some TLC and they'll nurse it into good health. Benjiboi 23:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, if I ever end up as their nurse I'll calm them down quick enough. Honestly, who'da thunk old people could be so feisty? They're rude, pushy, mean and somebody ought to spike their Geritol with a little Valium. Jeffpw (talk) 00:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol. I've replied on the talk. Frankly it's the feisty ones who live longer so drink one to good old crotchetiness. If we have to spit vinegar I want a designer salad to go under it first and frankly life's too short to spin drama online. For all we know these are clever grad students posing as old queer geezers to get their kicks. Benjiboi 00:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)