User talk:Atlan/Archive5

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Hi. Thanks for moving it to the right place. I didn't know there was a right and a wrong place. I found the instructions on archiving a bit hard to follow, so I just went and created one my own way. But what does redlinked mean?

Sardaka (talk) 10:39, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

The cigarette man

I wish to announce that I have been harassed by this user and that anyone encountering this user should be aware of the harassment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.57.107 (talk) 10:50, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I wish to announce that this anon really likes cigarettes.--Atlan (talk) 20:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

This person Atlan is also a vandal that removes content he doesn't understand without editing or giving reasons.202.82.33.202 (talk) 04:52, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Your block evasion is reason enough, Edward. But I remove your edits mainly for POV and OR concerns.--Atlan (talk) 13:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

You are a vandal. My contributions are sourced in all cases. In the Banality of Evil article I referenced Eichmann in Jerusalem, The Origins of Totalitarianism, and several other sources. If you want to be a contributor and not a vandal, you need to look up these references and change them into cites, because I don't have either the time or the willingness to work as a virtual slave.

Not everything is opinion. The consequences of true beliefs accepted by educated people (such that smoking kills) are not opinions, and the coverup of this fact in the tobacco article is going to kill children. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.77.103.150 (talk) 03:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

You never properly cite any source. In fact, on the Banality of evil talk page, you tell me to go source your edits, which of course I won't. Saying "Eichmann said" is not properly referencing Eichmann. You need to provide a link to a reliable source such a website or book. Anyway, your continuous name-calling is certainly not going to make me any more forthcoming.--Atlan (talk) 12:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I GAVE you the damn BOOKS: several books which I've read (and which I don't think you have): The Origins of Totalitarianism (unabridged edition), The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, Eichmann in Jerusalem, The Portable Arendt Reader, The Language of the Third Reich (Victor Klemperer), Eclipse of Reason (Max Horkheimer), etc., etc. If you want to be Jimbo Wales' unpaid dogsbody then you can look those books up on Amazon and add your precious "cites". And if you didn't waste time hounding people who in the past made contributions which last to this day, you might have the time to crack a book yourself, and you would be an educated person who doesn't regard "what Eichmann said" as an Eleusinian goddamn mystery. I've provided the content. You add the cites. I have better things to do.

You people have destroyed a cooperative community as existed in 2004 with your stupid one-upmanship and harassment.203.218.47.94 (talk) 18:14, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

I was about to do it myself, it was a typo.--Damifb (talk) 13:27, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Future Cops and Various Street Figher Info

Since you are removing all info about Future Cops (aka Street Fighter in Europe) you must remove all similar info from all Street Fighter character pages. Here is a list.

On the Chun Li page there is this section that has character references that are not of the actual character. You must remove this section if you are going to remove the section about Future Cops. Films In the Jackie Chan live-action movie City Hunter, Chan's character magically transformed to Chun-Li and fought against his adversaries (he was first transformed into E. Honda). There is a fight scene in the Shrek 2 movie where princess Fiona performs Chun-Li's Spinning Kick against her opponents. She also performs a Shoryuken, a special move of the Ken, Ryu and Akuma characters. Comics In Alex Ross's graphic novel "Kingdom Come", one of the minor characters is a young Japanese super-heroine who uses the name Tokyo Rose. She is clearly styled after Chun-Li, sporting a simmilar outfit and hairstyle, as well as being an extremely skilled martial artist.

You must also remove any mention of Bruce Lee on the Fei Long page, though obviously based on Bruce Lee there are no references proving that the character is based on Bruce Lee.

You must remove this from the Zangief page because "possibly" is not a good enough reference to be stated as fact on wikipedia, according to you. Zangief's name is possibly based on real-life pro wrestler Victor Zangiev, a former Soviet amateur who trained as a professional in NJPW, and who also competed in WCW and UWF International

This must be removed from the Dhalsim page because the obvious similarities of this character have never been confirmed by capcom, and there are no references to this trivia. Dhalsim's abilities resemble those of an Indian fighter in the 1976 motion picture Master of the Flying Guillotine starring Jimmy Wang Yu. Like Dhalsim, the fighter in the movie used a yoga-based fighting style and had an unnatural ability to extend his limbs to attack.

If the information about Future Cops is not relivant, neither is any of this. TheWrench (talk) 00:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure there's plenty of stuff on the Street Fighter character pages, that doesn't meet the requirements to be included in the articles. However, that's not a very good argument to keep your additions. It's also impossible for me to maintain such vigil on every single article of interest, that I can remove any and all irrelevant information. I can only focus my attention to a limited amount of articles.--Atlan (talk) 00:47, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

More trouble with Edward

It would appear as though you have had to deal with Mr. Nilges (User talk:202.82.33.202, User talk:Spinoza1111) before. He is causing a lot of trouble on Talk:Ayn Rand using various IP addresses. As it would appear that he is evading at least one block, I was wondering if you would be willing to take a look at the matter. TallNapoleon (talk) 04:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a look. In the mean time, I suggest you don't indulge him by engaging in a discussion with him. Just revert his comments and he'll lose interest.--Atlan (talk) 19:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Atlan, I had also filed a complaint about Edward. I took your advice and deleted all his comments and those of others discussing with him (including myslef.) Thanks for your help! Ethan a dawe (talk) 03:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not really a supporter of deleting the comments of other editors. That's why I tend not to delete a discussion once someone has replied to Nilges. I'm fine with it, but don't be surprised if people revert you for deleting their comments as well.--Atlan (talk) 09:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Resident Evil 5

I'm actually not sure why you deleted the piece I submitted to the article?? I had a source and referenced it properly. You can't just slight this, theres hits for "Resident Evil 5 racism" on every search engine on the internet, theres even youtube videos. I think you have made a mistake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyj1218 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you sourced it with Eurogamer, which is a good, reliable source. However, it's a piece about the opinion of N'Gai Croal of Newsweek (I guess the actual Newsweek article would be the best source in this case). That hardly qualifies as public outrage which would be noteworthy. Also note that Croal didn't give a peep when hordes of Spaniards were killed in RE4. I don't really value the opinion of someone with such double standards.--Atlan (talk) 08:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Alright whatever I'll drop it but I'm just trying to make a point that wikipedia is an electronic encyclopedia that provides objective information. If people have double standards, which they apparently do (although I wasn't an active internet user when RE4 was in development), it should not be your business to say they're wrong, but to bring up the point of the double standard.--Nyj1218 (talk) 20:52, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

They seem to over react... one Youtube video - posted and featuring a black man - involved people being too PC... another video - by the same person - Clearly showed a White man leading the Africans (It's the guy with the Megaphone).OsirisV (talk) 19:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

user 65.170.159.12 on Ayn Rand

Hi Atlan, can you look into user 65.170.159.12 on Ayn Rand Talk:Ayn Rand he is being arguemntative, edit warring, and ignoring the consensus. I'm already at 3 reverts on him. Thanks Ethan a dawe (talk) 21:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

And while you're at it, please look a bit deeper in the history and you'll see that Ethan a dawe has violated 3RR and I haven't. Oh, and the consensus is that Ayn Rand is not an academic philosopher, so my edits are consistent with that consensus. The only problem is that some people don't want to article to state what they consider an inconvenient truth. Read the discussion page for yourself and you'll see that I'm entirely correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.170.159.12 (talk) 21:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I may very well have done more than 3 reverts on Edward Nilges who is a blocked user you are familiar with. That isn't against the rule (fortunately). I too recommend you read the talk tapge and am happy to let it stand as evidence. :-) Ethan a dawe (talk) 22:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Edits

Please stop undoing my revisions without giving valid reasons.

• 1. The Lorica hamata was not replaced by the lorica segmenta. Read the lorica segmenta article. The hamata chainmail was always

the primary form of armor used by the Romans, even during the 2nd century period when the segmenta was 'relatively' widespread.

• 2. The egg roll is a westernized spring roll. The modern 'egg roll' is foreign to Asian cuisines. The proper term that relates

to history is the spring roll. Intranetusa (talk) 20:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for being lazy and not using proper edit summaries. The RE 5 edit was very POV and so poorly written that I really had no choice but to remove it. The egg roll edit broke the opening sentence in such a way that it didn't make sense anymore. Also, "spring roll" has it's own article. To just call an egg roll spring roll without any explanation, just confuses the uninformed reader (such as myself). The lorica hamata edit may have been an error on my part.--Atlan (talk) 00:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah I understand. I admit the RE5 was an error on my part. I also see your point regarding spring rolls. Thanks Intranetusa (talk) 16:54, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Legal threats from Edward Nilges

Mr. Nilges has decided to issue legal threats against me for removing his disruptive posts on Talk:Ayn Rand. See my talk page. I am also posting this to WP:AN/I. TallNapoleon (talk) 09:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's not the first time. He has issued legal threats in relation to Wikipedia's cigarette articles on a number of occasions already. Not much can be done about it since he's editing from public ip's. The edits have already gone stale now, so it serves no purpose to block the ip. I suggest you continue to revert and ignore his edits.--Atlan (talk) 10:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The ip was blocked anyway in my absence. Fine by me, but it's not going to do any good. Keep me posted, thanks.--Atlan (talk) 20:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

A large number of accounts and ID's have been accused of being Edward's sockpuppets. None of these accusations has been supported with a checkuser, so I started commenting them out. You chose to edit war with me instead of explaining why we should clog up Wikipedia with empty insults. Good work! - Bert 19:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.111.29.12 (talk)

Our posts crossed. Your edits are nothing more than vandalism and are to be reverted. Good work indeed.--Atlan (talk) 19:15, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

If removing libel is vandalism, then call me a vandal. Hope you're proud of turning Wikipedia into a vehicle for attacking the reputations of real people whose biggest error was attempting to contribute and whose second biggest error was thinking that Wikipedia policies are sane. I'm not an edit warrior, like you, so I'm going to allow others to remove the libel. Feel free to edit war with them, too, and then pat yourself on the back for "defending Wikipedia against vandalism". The war on vandalism, like the war on drugs or terror, is a pointless and transparent fascist power grab. - Bert 19:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.111.29.12 (talk)

Edward will readily admit to using multiple IP's, he doesn't hide that fact. Adding sockpuppet tags to IP's he has used is hardly libel. I suggest you keep your baseless rants to yourself in the future.--Atlan (talk) 19:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

And I suggest you try some civility for a change. Disagreeing with you does not make my comments a "baseless rant" and you owe me an apology.

That Edward has edited without logging in is not at issue. However, short of him signing his posts or otherwise directly acknowledging his authorship, the particular IP's and/or accounts he used are purely speculative. There are more "anon IP" editors who aren't Edward than who are, so we can't just guess.

When it comes to making accusations, we should always work from evidence, not speculation. If TallNapoleon really thinks Lilith is Edward, I encourage him to make a formal accusation using checkuser. His refusal to do so shows that he doesn't believe the evidence supports his claim, which reduces that claim to, yes, you guessed it, libel.

Wikipedia has been guilty of libel in the past, and it's also the basis of Edward's threatened lawsuit, so just maybe we should be a bit more careful about who we accuse of what. - Bert 21:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

It was a baseless rant about fascist power grabs and libel and whatnot, I owe you no apology. Also, we have different templates for confirmed sockpuppets. The template on the IP's pages is that of a suspected puppet and does not require checkuser or other kind of evidence, only reasonable suspicion.--Atlan (talk) 22:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I recommend a CheckUser on "bert" to see if he is either Alienus or Lancombz. Ethan a dawe (talk) 00:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)