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Hi, Aristos, I see you joined WikiProject United States presidential elections. Just wanted to say thanks for signing up, and welcome aboard!-JayJasper (talk) 19:48, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

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US House elections, 2012

Thanks for your updates. While you're there, can you also add the primary election dates? Like I just did with Michigan.—GoldRingChip 16:04, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Third party maps

Ariostos, good work on the third party maps. I'd like to use them in a Wikinews article so could you possibly update them according to Politics1 (particularly Goode, Anderson, and Hoefling). Also, would you mind switching states with write-in certification to light colors and states with ballot access to dark so that the emphasis is on the states with actual ballot access? Thanks.--William S. Saturn (talk) 07:42, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for your great work (map, with annotation)

The map in Talk:Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012 is brilliant, imho; looking forward to you moving it into the Article. — TNKS, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 04:23, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

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Issue with SVG Maps in 1920 US Presidential Article

Hi, nice job on the convention vote maps, good stuff! The problems with squishing you describe seem to be an issue caused by the way text in SVG files is converted and rendered on Wiki. I tried a test fix on the first ballot map, converting the text into paths, and at least as far as I can tell it seems to be displaying correctly now in both SVG and PNG formats, without squeezing or distortion. However you can see for yourself whether that has satisfactorily corrected the problem or not and revert if it hasn't. --Inqvisitor (talk) 18:20, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Actually what I did was pretty simple, I just opened the map up in Inkscape and converted each text box to a path (Object to Path) to work around the text-rendering issues on here. I just did the same on the 2nd ballot map. Be aware when uploading new versions that changes you made might not be showing up right away, you can try purging the file and hard refreshing to bypass the cache, though sometimes the old version might still be displaying for a while even if you've uploaded a fixed version. --Inqvisitor (talk) 03:02, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Are you sure it isn't the cache issue I mentioned earlier? I looked at your updated third ballot map and it seems to be displaying correctly both in SVG form and in PNG-rendered form. The only exception is the 800×465 preview, which is probably a cached image from the original version. Even after purging and hard refreshing, Wiki sometimes still displays the old version for a while. I would wait at least a day or so to let the image preview update before assuming the text problem isn't fixed. --Inqvisitor (talk) 20:28, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

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19th Century elections: party leaders

In the 19th century elections (for example, United States Senate elections, 1898), how do you know who the party leaders are? This is especially tricky for parties with only a few members, namely the third parties. If they aren't formal leaders, then we shouldn't list them as such. Just being "examples" of party members isn't enough in these infoboxes. But if you think they are actually their party's leaders, that's fine, just maybe cite your sources.—GoldRingChip 12:58, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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	Great work at Electoral History of the Conservative Party of New York State, especially the charts. Bearian (talk) 19:00, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

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I had to rollback some edits here [1], as they appear to be copyright infringement (unitentional?) given your note that the text was lifted from another website. Alanscottwalker (talk) 21:06, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

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Good Job

Hey, just wanted to say great job with your updates to all the New York election articles, including the detailed information about the fusion voting breakdown so readers can see exactly how many votes each candidate received on which ballot line. :)

(Just out of my own curiosity as an election geek, do you have a source where you are finding all this data?)

Just a few issues I wanted to discuss:

There are so many socialist parties out there, and only so few shades of red available to use for them all. Unfortunately there has been no consensus ever reached on exactly which color belongs to which party. I think generally the colors used for the Socialist Party USA have been #CC0000 and #EC5050, so I think perhaps we ought to stick to those for the Socialist candidates.

With so many socialist parties all needing different colors... in all the election pages that I've created/edited, I've decided to use black (#000000), another color associated with socialism, for the Socialist Labor Party. If you look, the logo for the Socialist Labor Party is actually a hand holding a black hammer. So I think black would be best for the Socialist Labor Party.

I really would like to work with you on improving Wikipedia's election coverage, not against you, so I hope you don't mind if I might make some edits to articles changing some of the party colors.

Secondly, while the fusion voting breakdown is fascinating and definitely should be included information in Wiki articles, I'm not sure if we should be using the main election results infobox to display that information. If you look at election result tables for NYC mayoral results, you will find that the election result tables simply display the list of candidates and the percentages they received, not including any mention of the fusion voting breakdown.

So perhaps we should leave the main election result infoboxes alone, only displaying the total percentages each candidate received, and then include the fusion vote breakdown in a separate table. (Again, I hope you don't mind if I make some edits to that effect).

Finally I don't think we should overstate the significance of which local party ballot line in New York a candidate happened to have run on. For example, in the 1948 election, I think the election result infobox with the map on the right side of page, should display Henry Wallace as the Progressive Party candidate, even though he happened to have run in New York on the American Labor ballot line. If you look at different states, you will often find that third party candidates run on many different ballot lines of different local parties. But the local ballot line a candidate happens to have run on is not really significant. Henry Wallace in 1948 was definitely the Progressive Party candidate, even if he ran on different party ballot lines in different states.

Oh yeah, just one minor thing, but there have been some updates on Dave Leip's U.S. Election Atlas that have corrected totals. For example, in New York's 2000 presidential election, there have been some corrections that have changed the totals and percentages that Bush, Gore, Nader, etc. received. I updated the totals, but since I'm not sure what your source is for the fusion vote breakdown, there currently is a conflict where the fusion vote breakdown isn't adding up to the total votes that Gore and Bush received. So perhaps we can work together on getting all those numbers in correct order.

So yeah anyway, as I said, I want to work with you, not against you, in making Wikipedia an informative database on U.S. election results, I really love a lot of what you've contributed...so please don't take this as a hostile message in any way. I just wanted to give you a heads-up that I might be making some edits. Inqvisitor (talk)

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Massachusetts gubernatorial election, 2014

Thanks for adding the full results. I'm curious where the "swing" numbers you added came from and what they mean? Is that change in D/R vote since the last election for governor? I don't see them in the New York Times page cited. -- Beland (talk) 02:30, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

US presidential election, 2016

As an frequent contributor to the the article United States presidential election, 2016, your participation in this discussion would be helpful and appreciated. Thanks.--JayJasper (talk) 05:27, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of List of United States political party platforms for deletion

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Your U.S. Presidential Election state totals have problems

I was comparing your state vote tallies with other sources and am finding quite a few apparent errors in your entries. I came across the problem when looking at 1828. Also, you have not given a source in the ones I've checked so far. I was wondering if you could cite your basis since that should be entered for the section in each election? I've fixed 1828 (other than your missing source), but 1824 still has trouble, as does 1832, 1836, 1840 and the all the others I've checked so far. I am assuming the errors are typographical and that no cross checks were made. Do you have the data already in a format (e.g. spreadsheet) so that you can quickly check values and update percentages? It's a pain doing copy and paste to spreadsheets then checking each column for errors. Red Harvest (talk) 01:55, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Request for comment

As a significant contributor to the article United States presidential election, 2016, your participation in this discussion would be helpful and appreciated. Thank you. --William S. Saturn (talk) 21:34, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your participation in the discussion. A new discussion has started here with other options for organizing the list of candidates. Please see if any of the new options are better than those available when you voted. --William S. Saturn (talk) 00:29, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

I have added option#H to the list, though I do not personally support that option as best. I would actually encourage you to multi-bangvote, in support/neutral/oppose fashion, on the available options, rather than just solo-bangvoting on your top favorite. That will give us a better idea of which of the half-dozen-plus options listed so far people could see themselves supporting, methinks. Thanks. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 18:35, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

2016

Your vote on Talk:United_States_presidential_election,_2016#RFC_Survey doesn't include a line such as : Option X, which will make the tally easier in the end. This will be helpful when RfC concludes. Thanks! Spartan7W § 01:42, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello Ariostos, you mentioned in your short-rationale that your long-rationale was eaten by an edit-conflict. I also hate those, and wish they would get fixed... old-school software is a pain sometimes! However, I've learned from having my comments eaten by the edit-conflict-monster, that when the edit-conflict happens, there are TWO textarea boxes displayed: one textarea on top with a save-button, which has all my work removed, and one textarea at the bottom of the page (no save-button offered), which has all the *other* editor's work removed. So what I usually do, is scroll to the bottom textarea, select just my own recent work with the mouse, ctrl+c to copy it to the clipboard, scroll to the top textarea, and paste my about-to-be-eaten work back into that upper textarea, before I hit save. Note that I don't select *all* the content in the bottom textarea, to paste it into the top textarea; doing that is bad, that would delete what other people had worked on! But I can usually save my own commenting-efforts, by finding what I just wrote (only) in the bottom textarea, and selectively copying just that portion (only) into the top textarea. Hope this makes some sense. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 18:29, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

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List of third party performances in United States elections

I understand your reasoning behind reverting the change I made indicating that John Hospers was the last third party candidate to win an electoral college vote. However, I think for the sake of accuracy, we should figure out a way to mention that Hospers won one due to a faithless elector while Wallace was the last to win via polling. Thoughts? --dashiellx (talk) 15:53, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank-You

I wasn't 100% what political parties McMullin and Kotlikoff were in. Thank-you. Yuri Alexeyevich Gagarin (talk) 21:47, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Prohibition Party (1924)

Could you please add the Prohibition Party's gaining of 5% of the vote in 1924 in Florida? I attempted to do this earlier but had strange formatting issues. Thanks! MB298 (talk) 05:06, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

@MB298: I felt I was forgetting something there. Will do, and thanks for catching that. --Ariostos (talk) 05:12, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

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1876 Republican Convention Vice President Ballot Map

The map that you created for the Vice-President balloting at the 1876 Republican convention is incorrect. South Carolina had twelve votes for Wheeler, not Woodford. Also, Jewell only received three votes from Alabama, not four. See: https://archive.org/stream/proceedingsrepu00nelsgoog#page/n112/mode/2up

Your map is at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RepublicanVicePresidentialConventionVote1stPartialBallot1876.svg Please correct it.Tnmbrown (talk) 14:09, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Primaries, delegates, early 20th century

Thanks for the invitation to help out on primaries research.
I think a table may be worth trying out, to describe the primaries (and other means of appointing delegates) and the linkage, if any, of a primary to bound delegates. A New York Times subscription is not so expensive, and you could do a short-term subscription, and print out the articles for your own research benefit. I encourage you, if possible, give a full citation to the articles you find (title, date, page number, author, if given), to aid the next person who may desire to help out.
I'm sorry, I'm not in a position to provide much aid on the project.
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Ariostos, I think the right place to discuss this is probably at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States presidential elections. But you are right that you have a challenge on your hands, and I would agree with Yellowdesk that there's not much point in attempting this unless you get yourself access to the NYT archives. Besides, you'll be helping to support the newspaper industry, which certainly needs all the help it can get ...

As to substance, I am well aware of how difficult it is to portray the results of presidential primary campaigns in infoboxes and color-keyed maps. The one that drives me crazy is the 1972 Democratic primaries, which is not that long ago. If you look at Talk:Democratic Party presidential primaries, 1972#Problems and Talk:Democratic Party presidential primaries, 1972#Delegate count, you'll see where I protest the inclusion of inaccurate counts and maps based upon inconsistent criteria ... but people keep putting them back in. And if you look at Shirley Chisholm#1972 presidential campaign at the paragraph that begins "It is sometimes stated that Chisholm won a primary during 1972, or won three states overall, with New Jersey, Louisiana, and Mississippi being so identified. None of these fit the usual definition of winning a plurality of the contested popular vote or delegate allocations at the time of a state primary or caucus or state convention. ...", you'll see the explanation that I researched and wrote about what actually happened for each of the three states in question. Beauty contests, uncommitted delegations, symbolic shifts during the convention ... it's complicated!

Looking around, I think Republican Party presidential primaries, 2012 is the best example of the way to go, with multiple maps showing the difference phases of the contest. But that still doesn't help the "contests won" count in the infobox problem. Nor the popular vote counts, which usually gets distorted by caucus states that don't announce popular votes like Iowa, or states where not all candidates are campaigning (think Dems 2008 with Florida and Michigan), etc. American primaries campaigns are just plain murkier than people who want neat results in infoboxes are willing to accept ... but in any case, good luck with doing this. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:20, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

First of all, if you are a college student then you should be able to access the New York Times archives at no cost through your university library. You really don't want to be doing this work without access to this and other important historical resources.

Second, I can't help but think that articles like Democratic Party presidential primaries, 1932 are an attempt to shoehorn a past practice into a modern format and that the "feel" of how politics was conducted in the past is being lost. The article name itself is partly misleading, since only a third of the states had primaries. Something like Democratic Party presidential nomination selection process, 1932 might be better. The sentence "... selected as the nominee through a series of primary elections and caucuses culminating ..." ignores state conventions and other selection mechanisms and uses "caucuses" in the modern sense and not the sense that FDR biographies or newspaper accounts at the time would have.

Third, the idea that "Contests won" has to add up to the number of states is unfortunate. In many of these states there was no contest, or at least not a very visible one. If FDR wins 100% of the vote in a primary, that's not a contest, that's a state party controlling ballot access and/or other candidates not entering for some reason. If a favorite son exists, that's not a contest in that state, that's state party officials wanting to preserve their choice until a later time. And there can be murky situations where which way a state delegation is leaning is unclear. So in my mind you have to accept that some states should be left indeterminate. Or, if all you want to represent is who had the most delegates in each state during the convention roll call, then you need to rename "Contests won" to something like "States carried at convention". Wasted Time R (talk) 10:03, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Primaries in 1932

I've given my answers: Talk:Democratic Party presidential primaries, 1932 . Inspector Semenych (talk) 21:19, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

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1892 United States House of Representatives elections

Great job with all the data you added in 1892 United States House of Representatives elections!! I've changed some formatting so you can see how we fashion these articles. Not all of these articles look like this, but it's a long-term project to which I hope you'll add more! —GoldRingChip 13:17, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks for your honesty over this. The relevant revisions have been deleted. Nthep (talk) 13:09, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

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May 2024 cite errors

Your recent edit to 1972 Democratic Party presidential primaries, seen here in this edit, introduced multiple cite errors back into the article, as seen here and here and here and here. I had just fixed these same cite errors the day before. When you use a named reference, like this → <ref name="Politicians Aim For The Stars">{{cite news | url=https://www.newspapers.com/image/492151981 | title=Politicians Aim For The Stars | work=The Record}}</ref> — then subsequent uses of the same ref only require you use the 'ref name', like this → <ref name="Politicians Aim For The Stars"/> — which prevents cite errors like the ones you created. I have fixed these cite errors again for you. Please see repeated citations and named refs for further information. Thanks. Isaidnoway (talk) 04:00, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

My apologies; I had been working primarily in my Sandbox to try and keep the different endorsement sections separate for ease of editing, and I had forgotten to take the fixed copy in the primary article to fix the issues mine had in regards to the citations. I've integrated the corrections now, so that shouldn't be an issue in future revisions.

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Popular vote numbers

What source did you use for the popular vote numbers in the 1858–59 United States House of Representatives elections and 1860–61 United States House of Representatives elections? Wowzers122 (talk) 19:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Took a bit of searching since my old scans didn't have a cover page, nor any sort of identifiers on the pages themselves, but I found it; "United States Congressional Elections, 1788-1997: The Official Results of the Elections of the 1st through 105th Congresses". At the time I wasn't sure how best to present the individual results, so I just manually tallied up the votes from the book, and those totals are what are in the infobox. Do you need any results in particular, or were you just curious? Ariostos (talk) 20:07, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I just wanted to source (that's actually the book I've been using to cite the rest of the article) and verify the numbers. Maybe one day I'll get around to making state pages to put the individual results in. Wowzers122 (talk) 21:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Clipping Newspapers.com

Hello, I see that you are using Newspapers.com to acquire sources. I would advise that you clip the articles rather than grabbing the generic page URL. Clipping the articles means that the average person can see the source without needing an account on the site. Like below:

Jon698 (talk) 00:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC) Jon698 (talk) 00:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

• I also reverted your table on the 1984 page due to its usage of severely flawed sources or having no sources for the data within, as was the case for a lot of the popular vote. The source you used for Massachusetts lists the vote only for 2,174 of the 2,196 precincts while the one I added is the final results as published by the Secretary of State. Jon698 (talk) 00:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Jon698:I wasn't sure how best to cite the information from Newspapers.com and, well, I didn't think anyone had any interest in the old Presidential Election articles anymore with the old Wiki Group being dead. Honestly I'm surprised I've come across someone with more than a cursory interest on this data. I'd be happy to work with you on this and the other pages, if that is alright. That said, I'm not sure how best to proceed here. I can reformat my table to take into account primary sources that you've found, particularly for the popular vote in those States which held primaries, and I will add a proper Reference Column instead of shunting the references into the Contest Box. However I'm no longer sure when a new source should be applied to the table; admittedly I was using the sources primarily to find the pledged delegate allocation, as I didn't think that data really existed for the vote within the Caucuses. What should the threshold for inclusion be? Ariostos (talk) 01:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

• I apologize for taking so long. In my opinion the threshold for inclusion should be if they won any delegates at any point. At this point I know that four candidates and uncommitted received delegates in 1984. Jon698 (talk) 23:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• It is wonderful seeing you use clippings, but I would advise that you put the clipped article into the url section. You can easily mass archive these references using (https://iabot.wmcloud.org/index.php?page=runbotsingle) just remember to click the "Add archives to all non-dead references" box. Jon698 (talk) 23:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

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