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I was wondering if you know how to convert square miles to square kilometers? Looking at another article I figured out how to convert acres to kilometers square. Below is the code for 110,000 acres (450 km2) (convert|110000|acre|sqkm|-1) Thanks, Rocketmaniac (talk) 19:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
There are a number of conversion templates at Template:Convert (and in the Category:Conversion templates, but some issues to consider with these are the manual of style which discourages over-precision, especially with large numbers. The average reader would not care to know the exact conversions, so often it is better to just round off. Obviously there are some instances where precision is appropriate, but, for example, with shuttle missions, using the convert templates on the miles traveled (which are often more than 5 million miles, and would result in excessive precision when converting to Km traveled) is unnecessary. Hope that helps! Ariel♥Gold20:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
A quick one...
Just created my first infobox: Ferenc Joachim. A tough one, since I don't know ANYTHING about the types of infoboxes yet... so I improvised. I used "Infobox Person", but there may be another, more appropriate heading; "artist" isn't it. Also, could you tell me what to write to serve notice I'm working on it? "In Use" something?
Looked over your design suggestions for Her Majesty's Navel Person... and am very tempted. Liked User: Timotab best. Will look around a little more and ask you to do the decorating. Have some more very punny Confuscian sayings but they're somewhat rude. For example: Virginity like bubble: one prick, all gone. so let me know y/n. Meanwhile When the going gets tough, the tough get going! Thank you, Shir-El too (talk) 01:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
If you're actively working on an article, as in, editing it that very minute, you can use {{inuse}}, but it is not a good idea to leave that up if you just plan on editing it in the next day or so. Check the history to see if that article is very active, it may be there is no need to add that template. As for the infobox, I think there is an artist one, and the image should be put inside the infobox, which I'd be happy to do if you like. I'd have to look to see if there is an artist, one. Infoboxes should always go at the very top, above the first line of the article, as well. This solves the issue of whitespace that you see happening there. Of course, I'd be delighted to do your userpage, so just let me know anything you want, colors/pictures, whatever ;) P.S. Great job on the infobox, for your first time, at least it doesn't have major errors like my first one did LOL ~*Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold01:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I just took a look at that article, Oy! That is in need of serious, serious help. That footnote style is not per WP:FOOT and highly confusing and difficult to read, and the two references that are there are not a whole lot better. Also, someone is forcing whitespace, which needs to be removed by removing those lines that say <br style="clear:both" /> You've got your work cut out on that one, good project! Ariel♥Gold01:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks! I put the pix inside the infobox but the caption looked awful and the picture looked unframed - it needs some kind of outline between the picture, the caption and the rest of the information to work, which is 'way beyond my league. There IS an 'artist' infobox that only allows 2-3 lines - or at least that's all I got from it. I'm still a dunce when it comes to references and research, but that article and the one about his son are going to get major re-writes. *Flash* I'll check another painter's page to see how their infobox edits! As the Vegians would say: Tail high, brother!Shir-El too (talk) 02:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I did a quick fix, put infobox to the top, removed the forced image size parameters, and moved the image out of the references section into the article. Also removed the whitespace. :) Ariel♥Gold02:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, that one is just a little nuts. I'm not a fan of protecting FA's but in this case, I don't think there's much of a choice. The FA is next to useless if it's so disrupted nobody can productively edit it. It's a touchy one but I hope that is the right decision (and I don't get a tonne of flack for it) -- Tawker (talk) 01:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't think there is anyone who would argue with that call, especially since it is a FA on a weekday when school is in, lol. You're right, it would be exceedingly disrupted, and the talk page is there for anyone to request an edit should they wish to do so. Great call, as that is a great FA, but just invites a bit too much silliness to leave unprotected, lol. Ariel♥Gold01:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
No problem, Noahwoo, just remove it if it shows up again, the URL is on the talk page, so you can easily compare to see if it is a copy/paste directly from the site. Cheers! Ariel♥Gold02:17, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
details=no option
FYI I removed from the STS-122 launching notice the "See this article for details" text, but I also used a newly added details=no option to the {{launching}} template that supresses the "See 2007 in spaceflight for further details" line. Is it OK with you for the article to have neither line, instead of both? (sdsds - talk) 05:07, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Ahhh, awesome, yeah. That 2007 in spaceflight link was pretty silly, that's why I added the "See article" thing, because it should have been explained that the reasons are covered below. That's a great solution! As always, you rock! Ariel♥Gold05:11, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm
I was disconnected from IRC, and now can't find a connection to it. I dunno what happened, since I am still connected online. :( Jmlk1707:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Did that, and seemed to work for a bit, but I think it's the internet at the house I'm at currently. I never have this problem when I'm at home lol. Jmlk1708:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Of course you can call me Ariel, lol. That's my first name It is just when I made the name 2+ years ago, I think it wouldn't let me have a space in between the names, (or else I just didn't think to try, lol). Anyway, I replied, in ArielVerbosity™ fashion! Ariel♥Gold20:52, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Navbox edit question
Hey Ariel. I just finished writing an article on Santee State Park (trying to work on articles in my area of the country). Now I would like to add this park to the "State Parks of South Carolina" section at the bottom. I click on edit (the very tiny "e" on the left hand upper side, but I only get this "#REDIRECT Template:Navbox" Now what do I do? As always thanks, Rocketmaniac (talk) 17:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, there is some redirecting going on there, the actual template is located at Template:South_Carolina_State_Park_Navbox. It has to do with the name field in the navbox, it says the title is: name = SC State Parks Navigation, and, if you look, when you click the edit (tiny e), you're taken to editing the page of the same name. So, I fixed it so it actually goes to the right template, and you can edit it now from any page. Ariel♥Gold19:52, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you again for fixing up my articles. And for this and ALL the other times you've taken the time to help me out, I give you this special Barnstar. Rocketmaniac (talk) 20:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Aww, thanks Rocket! I'm always happy to try to help, and I don't mind at all! And when I don't have the answers, hopefully I can point you to someone who does! You keep up the awesome work you're doing! Ariel♥Gold20:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I know you're currently being pegged for adminship by some other users, but when the time comes, will you inform me? I would absolutely love to do a co-nomination. Best, — Rudgetspeak.work20:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Rudget! Thank you so much for your kind note, and for the encouragement! I'm going to be honest and let you know that I probably will just have one nominator, and I haven't really decided if I'll have a co-nom or not, but if so, I'd most likely only have one. Yes, several people have offered, but I kind of think having multiple co-nominators can get distracting, and people can always give their thoughts and opinions, even if they aren't co-noms. Of course, I hope that those who have offered understand. I'll let you know, if you wish, and there will be a note placed on my userpage, as well. Thank you again, I hope you know that your encouragement means a lot to me. Ariel♥Gold20:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Awarded to ArielGold
Glad to. I knew from other requests that multiple co-noms are generally discouraged, and wasn't aware of other co-noms (even though in retrospect, it's pretty obvious). I would also like to say thank you for being such a great editor here on the wiki. It is with that, that I offer you a sign of my recognition (viewable right). In the wake of not only oustanding contributions but also civilty even God could envy. Best, — Rudgetspeak.work20:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Hehe, Ariel, you are starting to collect admin sponsorships faster than Miszabot can archive them and awards quicker than you can move them to your awards subpage :D --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 21:22, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Angelofdeaeth, thanks! I like them too Yes, I made it, and many others, (inspired by Alison's custom boxes) that you can see here. That page is just a gallery of sorts, but I've made them into individual templates so I can easily substitute them. Of course, I don't use them all the time, but there are situations that they come in very helpful. Ariel♥Gold22:52, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Except for the one broken image link, which will be created in the future, I don't see any problems with the table. The format is keeping with WP:ELG, except that I kept the extra "opened" column that had been there. --NE223:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Hrmm, the table seems quite different to me. For instance, the previous version had sections for each state, that provided navigation via the TOC, For example, it had section that explained the road was in PA, then in NY, and gave the counties. Your edit removed all of those. If this was your intention, and I admit my unfamiliarity with the exist lists guideline, then I apologize. I just found the old version a lot easier to understand, lol. Maybe this is because I don't know those states and don't know the highway; if I were to wish to use Wikipedia as a reference for driving directions, the previous version would be more helpful to me, as it gives identification as to what state and county the road is passing through. Would it be possible to add back in what state the road is in, at the least? (And P.S. the image "Image:Chemung County Route 63 NY.svg CR 63" is still a broken link, though) ;) My apologies if I don't understand the complicated tables that roads are put into, but I did notice this change, as I actually had used that page before when thinking about a trip. Cheers, Ariel♥Gold23:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't know all the details of why this format was chosen, but I do know that it's impossible to preview when editing a county section of the old table, --NE200:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
That's odd, I can preview no matter what I'm editing. Oh well! I guess I can just save that other version for my own use, lol. Thanks NE2! Ariel♥Gold00:12, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Try editing and previewing the Chautauqua County section of this:
Ahhhh, I see what you mean. That does make it hard. I was doing it by the subheader, not from inside the table itself. lol. Ah well! It is too bad they changed that format, but I guess I must not be in the majority who thinks it is helpful to have the states, lol. No biggie! Ariel♥Gold00:23, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Ariel, I'll reply to your e-mail later tonight or perhaps tomorrow, OK? You're right, you do write a lot, but that's fine. I sometimes write a lot too. :) --Kyoko01:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Hee hee, no worries. Yep I can get going sometimes I don't expect immediate replies, so no big deal if you don't have time to reply. Ariel♥Gold01:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Yo, just wondering about your rationale for capitalising the name of blog posters. I left it uncapitalised because that's how the source presented it, but do we override that based on Maual of Style concerns or something? Regards, Skomorokhincite00:30, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Skomorokh! Thanks for your question. I use the MOS, yes, "The main use of capitalization is for proper names, acronyms, and initialisms." It appears that the author's name is B. Travis, and he simply didn't bother with capitalization, lol. Also, I considered moving that blog reference to the External links section, as per the reliable sources policy, blogs are not normally considered reliable. The article will also need third party references, as the only two there are both primary sources, so not considered neutral. However, since the article was brand new, I decided against doing that, figuring that it would most likely be added to shortly. Ariel♥Gold00:39, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Ah, thanks for clarifying; so MOS takes precedence over orignal presentation. I appreciate your diligence with regard to reliable sources, but the blog post is actually a primary source, first hand information from the publisher. You were right not to be too concerned over third party sources, as the book was just released today, with reviews pending, from a highly notable publishing collective. Thank you very much for your comprehensive and interested response; it's a pleasant surprise to have a non-antagonistic civilised discussion over these matters. Best wishes, Skomorokhincite00:52, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, primary sources are valid, but of course, should not be used exclusively, as they don't always provide neutral coverage. But, as you said, and as I mentioned, since it was a brand new article, I felt it a bit premature to suggest third-party sources, and I'm sure additional sources can be found in a few weeks. I also thank you for understanding, and while there is no specific mention of that particular capitalization issue, I think it appropriate for an encyclopedia to capitalize an author's name, even if the website fails to. Thanks to you, as well, for your kind and gentle manner of discussion! Ariel♥Gold00:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
The edits that you reverted on the Elliott Smith article were removing vandalism. The passage that you restored was obviously untrue and unsourced. Just giving you a heads up. TheLetterM (talk) 01:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Could you please take another look at the earlier versons? The section was originally sourced, as seen here, then removed, and re-added without the sources. I will admit I am unfamiliar with the article, but would appreciate you taking a look at it to see if the information is valid. Also, I would just kindly request that when you revert established editors, you not use the "Vandalism" function of Twinkle, as my edits were done during recent changes seeing an anonymous editor blank a large portion of a featured article, and obviously not vandalism. Instead, if you use the simple "Rollback AGF" option, or the "Rollback" option and provide an edit summary, it would be helpful. Thanks so much for letting me know! Ariel♥Gold01:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I checked the source, it was 404'ed. Either way, being familiar with the subject matter (Smith is one of my favorite songwriters), I know nothing about Elliott Smith having anything to do with an album called "Silverstar", a check on All Music Guide and Google confirms it. Sorry about marking your edit as vandalism, I should've used rollback. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. TheLetterM (talk) 02:06, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Continued bad Username on Talk:SpongeBob SquarePants
You'll are changing my username, in order to make me create an account. I don't need to create an account. Because Wikipedia users don't need to create an account, and I'm an unregistered user. Not only that, my username remains the same because I chose it. In other words "TREAT OTHER PEOPLES WORK WITH RESPECT!!!". And as a punishment, I put my username that you'll suggested as your user name, if it happens again, I'll do it twice, got that?. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.101.65.46 (talk) 04:20, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
You were temporarily blocked for this once, and it was explained to you very extensively, why you cannot sign your name with a misleading/non-existent username. If you do not wish to register a name, fine, but instead, simply sign with four tildes, that allows others to identify who you are, by your IP, instead of signing with an invalid, non-existent username. What you are doing is against WP:SIG, as explained before, and does not allow others to know who wrote the comment or to communicate with you without looking in the history, which is not something all editors know how to do. Ariel♥Gold04:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
As it has been explained to you, by many others, and myself, you are not signing with "your username". You are not using an account, and by your own admission, do not wish to make an account. That is fine. However, signing with a non-existent username is not acceptable, per the signature page, again, I really urge you to understand the difference, and to realize what you are doing. When someone reads your comments, they will think that a person named "Porchcrop" wrote them. No such user exists, so obviously, no such user made those comments, 218.101.65.46 made the comments, and that is what I, and the others, are asking you to respect. As you can see, since the software knows that the username doesn't exist, you will be automatically signed anyway. This is a function of the Wikimedia software, that is designed to give attribution to who posted what. Ariel♥Gold04:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Cute and eager but may need a hand newbie
Ariel, dah-ling: Your gentle and clever touch may be needed to gently guide a fairly new and VERY energetic new user, (User:4444hhhh) She (I am guessing this is a she, and under 16) appears to have been a wikipedian for a few months, and now has created Template:Equidae and Wikipedia:Wikiproject Equines in about two days. Voila, how about that? I'm impressed, and the template is a dandy! Not sure is was done the way the protocol is supposed to go, but it doesn't look too bad, actually...and especially considering that we horse people have been jawing about a horse project for months and not actually making one happen. So far she has mostly been great and just adding the template to assorted pages, but she seems young, and may need a little guidance and some slowing down to not get overdone with other edits that are not helpful (I had to revert one, not a big deal, just stuff that didn't belong where it was put. Also have been tweaking the template a bit, tiny bit of red links and iffy categorization going on). And, um, er, well, you know how I can get snarky, biting newcomers and such, when I don't mean to, so am calling in my posse of people who are kinder and more patient than I am to take her hand and keep all that wonderful energy properly directed!! Anyway, this is probably a good young editor if we treat her well, but she could get a little overeager. Just a heads up, you might want to say hi to her. And, if you could, answer me here on your talk page, mine is probably now on her watchlist (grin). Montanabw(talk)06:35, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Wow, that template is indeed, most impressive! Those are actually not easy to make! I'm seriously impressed. I think the colors on the userbox are a bit ... Christmas-y but that's just my opinion, lol. Interesting twist, using a quagga, in the userbox, yes? Quite original! Interesting, that Wikipedia did not have this page already! Wild. I will drop over there tomorrow sometime. Thanks for letting me know! ~*Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold06:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
"Equine" redirects to horse. The #1 problem with the horse articles is lack of organization and even the good articles can be hard to find. (I found THREE different variations of Pottok once, merged them, but that's the problem here...lots of stubs and orphans, too) "Equines" isn't really correct usage, is it? I guess we do say canines and felines, though... But hey, when the horse bug hits, symptoms generally first appear 10 year old girls (and it's a lifetime virus that is incurable, by the way), so I try to keep that in mind on all this stuff. As for the technical stuff, that's part of why I thought of you. I'm not thrilled about the quagga, and I would redesign the userbox too, but there was actually a minor editing spat over at Equidae over being too "horse-centric" so I don't even want to go there. :-P She has a cute user page. I like her creativity and energy, I don't want to chase her off by being too snarky. Montanabw(talk)07:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Hrmm, Equine redirects to horse, but Equines redirects to Equidae... I think that will need to be fixed for consistency, since that's the same term, just the plural. Redirects are used to direct readers to the most likely result that they would want from the term. If someone types in Equine, the most likely result they wish to see is yes, Horse. So the same would seem to apply to the plural, Equines. I think that Equines should redirect to Horse, as well. The Horse article has the disambig link right at the top to Equidae, which would be a lesser likely search term, so it would to me, make sense. I'll mull this over a bit. Thank you for asking me, and you know, I read her talk page and I think you are doing wonderfully! Just do what I do, preview, and read it as if you were someone who did not know you, and see how you think the 'tone' is. Preview until you're happy that it "sounds" nice, and then hit post. Sometimes, I actually end up previewing 20 times, and closing the page and not posting anything at all! lol. ~*Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold07:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
See, that's why I call on you. When I am editing at home (as opposed work, where technically I shouldn't be doing non-work things), I have a s-l-o-w dialup (horse ownership=rural life=no cable, DSL or broadband) and thus previewing is a PITA, hence why I get into so much trouble! LOL!! Maybe you fix the redirect, I've been tweaking her template so much she may start to feel picked on by me. Montanabw(talk)08:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I took some pictures of the winter wonderland we have going right now. It's about 10 degrees outside, and it's that winter scene where thought it may be near 3am, I could easily read a book outside as the ambient light from all the snow is washing the town in a cold light! I'll upload them when I find my cord... :) Jmlk1709:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Woo hoo pictures! /me can't wait! I have some good pictures I took during a big snowstorm there in the early 90s, I should upload those sometime... lol. Ariel♥Gold21:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Landry List of questions
Hey, it's me again. I'm back with landry list of questions.
1) How do you add an 5-character indent to a paragraph without it putting a wierd dotted box around the text and puts all of the paragraph on one line? (note this is just for my userpage, as I figure that indents are not used in normal articles) I was trying to indent the first line in both of the paragraphs on my main userpage.
Use five colons (:) in front of what you wish to say. This sentence is indented five times. Ariel♥Gold
2) How do you put a border around certain cells of a table? I studied your main userpage and copied how you had done it around each of your sections. But on your page, it is a solid line. On my page (see the "Next Space Shuttle Mission" on my main page) there are spaces between some of the cells.
Yeah, you've got a lot of wonky (no offense) formatting on your userpage, I've looked at it before, and at first glance, didn't really figure out what you've done, lol. I can take a look, but I recall when I checked the code a few weeks ago, I figured you would need an entirely new design to fix the errors, I'm not sure what is causing them. Ariel♥Gold
LOL, wonky? That messed up? What should I do to fix it? I might try removing that section from the table, or creating a second table for that section. Rocketmaniac (talk) 00:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I think a completely different layout would be best, to try to work with the code you have going on might be difficult. One of the issues is you have the images in their own boxes, and that causes some issues with the text on the left, but yeah the other issue is the box with the broken border, not sure what's up with that. I'd re-do your page to make it more like the main page layout, and place each element in its own section, (or something similar to that) to make it easier, if it were me. If you want me to work something up for you I can. Ariel♥Gold00:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, I put each of the items towards the bottom in their own table. And it still looks dumb. Your page doesn't have sections, or at least the kind where you put the code ==example== in it, so how do you make it look so classie? I don't neccessary want you make me a userpage, I just want ideas or examples. Table(s) don't seem to be the answer. (I've learned all of HTML skills and now wikipedia skills by copying and changing other peoples codes) I'm graphically "challenged". (LOL, Please help me out before someone flags my userpage for deletion because it violates some appearance law) Rocketmaniac (talk) 02:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I purposely don't have edit sections. And, HTML doesn't really work the same here all the time, you'll have to code the page in .css for it to really look right, from what I've seen. While some HTML works, it does have some issues. Your table code for next shuttle mission, and for the ISS stats is off, and I'd have to re-do it the way I know how, to fix it, cause I'm not exactly sure what's wrong with yours, lol. I wouldn't mind, if you wanted me to, otherwise I guess you'll just have to play around with it, but as for "fixing it" I'm not sure I can, without re-doing the table completely, lol. (I know, I know, "then what good am I?" lol) Ariel♥Gold02:17, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
3) The South Carolina article has an external link to a very biased website. http://www.freescrepublic.com/ I have made the comment on the TALK page that this is not an appropriate link. I want to remove it, but somehow I feel I am going to start a "revert" war. Is there an "oversight" committee or something that will back me up if I delete it and a war starts?
I removed the link and posted on the article's talk page. That site was inappropriate, giving blatantly false information to readers unfamiliar with the U.S. ("South Carolina is an occupied country"), what rubbish. Also, it returns .dll fatal errors in both IE and Firefox for me, which is suspicious. Removed per WP:EL.
4) Last item isn't really a question. Remember a few weeks ago with I called you a Big-time admin? And you told me you were only an editor like myself? Well, I think I have solved this problem. Since you are not (at least at this time) an admin person, but since is it very easy to see that you are much more that a normal editor, I have created a userbox for you. Enjoy. Rocketmaniac (talk) 17:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
LOL! Thank you dear. I love it! I still would say I'm not a "big time" anything, I'm just like you or anyone else, it is just that I've been here for over two years, that's all, hee hee. But thank you! That is wonderful, and I will find a place to put it. Ariel♥Gold
Ryan Postlethwaite has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
Upset? Nah, I think that caution is a good thing, but disappointed, definitely. lol. And thank you dear, for the smile! ~*Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold03:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much for that. I do hope that you will realize what a great project this is, and that you'll help it grow, as we do always need more excellent editors! Ariel♥Gold04:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, you reverted an edit that accidentally re-instated previous vandalism, as seen in the difference between your edit. I did actually go through the history, and it seemed there were multiple unhelpful edits, so I reverted to an earlier version to remove them all. I'm sorry if you got caught in the middle of that. I'll remove the note I left on your talk page, and put this note there. Cheers! Ariel♥Gold06:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Help with Template:South Carolina
I added another area/section the the Template:South Carolina. The area/section is Unincorporated areas. I edited the template and used the other sections as an example. But now, the last section Topics is not showing up. The code is still there, it's just not visable. I know I am going to owe you a bunch. I'm going to bed before I $^^%$$$&&&^^% more stuff up. (If you can't get to it, or can fix it, I'll revert it myself in the morning) Rocketmaniac (talk) 03:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
It has been fixed. I posted the question on the Help Desk and found out the it had to do with a limit set by the US State template. User:Patrick helped me out and edited the template and everything is a-o-k. (And while I was waiting for an answer on the help desk, I saw another question that I actually knew the answer and "I" answered it. My head is pretty big right now, need to fix a pin to get it back to normal size) Rocketmaniac (talk) 16:46, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Doh! Sorry I completely forgot to take a look at this! I'm glad it was taken care of, and congratulations for helping at Help Desk! I'm a regular helper there as well, and it is nice when you can help others, so it is okay to feel good about it Ariel♥Gold22:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you
Thank you for reverting vandalism on my talk page. It is appreciated!
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Ariel, the article you helped me significantly with: Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Miami is now a Featured Article! I thought you should know. I don't know why it still does not have a brown star in the corner. Maybe a bot comes along and adds that little detail. CHEERS! NancyHeise (talk) 12:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Wow, oh my gosh, congratulations Nancy!!!! I'm so happy to hear that! That's the first article I've helped worked on significantly that has gotten to FA status! I see the icon in the corner! How awesome! Ariel♥Gold22:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Hug
Just a quick little Wikihug to say hello to my friend! Thank you for the lovely email, and I hope to be back soon! Until then, ttyl! :) Jmlk1700:15, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
My Lord Dreadstar!!! Ahhh, mine soul rejoiceth, as I have been bereft without your companionship! May you stay safe in your travels, and return home safely, My dear Lord. ~*Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold01:12, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Thine lovely words doth touch mine heart to the core, oh divine lady! Life's challenges doth keepeth me from mine duties, but I shall return 'ere long upon my mighty steed, with mine sword of justice ready, and mine ascot flowing in the wind. Dreadstar†08:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Look at the article Penis, and it says that every male has a penis. This information is highly sources. Now Gary Webster is a male, so that must mean he has a penis too. I'm a male too, and I have a penis too. You are a female, so that means you have a vagina, since every female has a vagina. That information is highly sourced too. Largesign (talk) 10:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm well aware of that, thank you. However, we do not add every single anatomical part to every single biography, now, do we? Is it appropriate to add "He has two legs, two arms, two eyes, a mouth, a nose, ten fingers, ten toes, two knees, etc., etc., etc., " to all biographies? Of course it is not appropriate. I have no doubt that you realize the inappropriateness of your edits, and will yet again, ask you to stop. (And lol Alison) Ariel♥Gold10:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I told you, the Penis page SAYS all men have penises with really good sources. Gary is a man, so he has a penis. Those sources are not wrong. My best friend Drew has a penis too because he's male. Why would you want me to look at someone else's Pickle anyway? Largesign (talk) 10:16, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Largesign, I'm quite happy that you realize that men have penises, and women have vaginas. That is great that you've learned anatomy. However, again, Wikipedia has policies and guidelines, and I'll again request that you read how that relates to your edits. Thanks so much! Ariel♥Gold10:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Okay I'll go walk up to him tommorow and ask him "Hey Gary can you get naked so I can take a picture of your penis to put on the internet? I'm sure he'll agree. Largesign (talk) 10:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Help? urgh
If you can. :) I'm trying to get this IRC stuff all straightened out. I've downloaded Chatzilla for use with my beloved Firefox, and I need to set up an IRC nickname so that I can request a hostname cloak. The problem is that I can't make sense of any of this. Of course, once I master that, I have to figure out how to actually USE the thing. :P Do you have any tips? Suggestions? Would you like to point at me and laugh? Any of that would be welcome, even the pointing and laughing. I could use some humor. :D --Moonriddengirl(talk)20:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm so sorry hon, I completely missed this. I had a very rough day yesterday, had a concussion and wasn't supposed to sleep, so I'm finally able to go sleep now and I was on my way to bed. I really dislike Chatzilla, I used it for about 10 minutes and hated it so I am not going to be much help there, (big pet peeve, you're often in many rooms at once, and from what I saw, there was no way to have it show all windows at once unless you put them all as separate windows on your desktop). And I have to say, I had a ton of help with my cloak when I did it, I think that Ryan walked me through it, so maybe you could ask him? Or, Cometstyles is awesome at that stuff also. You can get a temporary cloak from #freenode once you've done all the requirements (if I remember right, you pick a name, set a password, register it, set an email, set your email to "hidden", then pick another name, set a password, register it, and tie it to your main account), and then once you do all those things, #freenode admins can give you a cloak, that will say @unaffiliated, until Sean can do your Wikipedia cloak (after requesting it, sometimes it takes a couple weeks). I'd really ask Ryan or CS tho, or maybe E? Those three folks are all uber IRC guys, I know sorta what to do, but certainly not the commands. I'm sure one of them would be happy to walk you through it? I'll check in with you when I wake up, hopefully you'll have it all set up! Ariel♥Gold13:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Moonriddengirl, if you want to know what to do, get into the #wikipedia-en channel and leave me a message on my talk and I'll pop on and explain everything to you - it's not that difficult and shouldn't take too long :-) Ryan Postlethwaite13:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Ryan. I'll try. I'm a little more basic than that, so I have to figure out how to get to #wikipedia-en channel first. I have never IRCed before. :) --Moonriddengirl(talk)14:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Good gracious, woman! What have you been up to? Concussion?! {{you}} For what it's worth, I was not in the least bit worried about the delay in response. I know text is a slooow medium, and I was prepared to wait. I appreciate your feedback...especially given the circumstances. Take care of yourself. --Moonriddengirl(talk)14:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Why, thank you Dlae!! I made some of the graphics myself, and picked the color scheme, and the layout is a several -generations removed (and much Ariel-tweaked) inspiration of dear Phaedriel's design, but I have created a great many userpages for others as well, and it is something I enjoy doing. Thanks so much for the note! Ariel♥Gold14:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Redirecting
Sorry! But thanks for telling me about it, now that I know, I won't make the same mistake twice.
Whoops, that above message was from me. Posting messages while not signed in, this is a good start...MartinP1983 (talk) 22:54, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
No worries! It was fixed pretty quickly, and that's an easy thing to not realize, so it isn't a big deal. Cheers Martin! Ariel♥Gold01:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Re. Hi Maser :)
Which edit are you referring to? I usually try to respect editor's privacy, and I think I have an idea, but I'm not too sure. :S Maser(Talk!)23:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
No no, please don't worry, I just left you the note to let you realize why your edit was reverted by an admin; the issue had been mentioned elsewhere, but it is usually best to keep pages as the user left them, when they've chosen to leave for whatever reasons. I just didn't want you to wonder why :o) Don't worry about it, you didn't know the situation, and I completely understand the reasoning of your edit! Ariel♥Gold05:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
User:Sunny910910 has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
Hi ArielGold, just wanted to say thanks for the idea. I'll try to see if I can make it work. If you have anymore ideas on what to do with my userpage, it would be greatly appreiciated. Thanks again.--Sunny910910(talk|Contributions)23:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Sunny! Thanks for the smile, and I'm sorry I couldn't offer a quick fix for the issue. I hope you can find a format you like! Ariel♥Gold01:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi ArielGold, I finally responded to your e-mail. Sorry about the delay, I have to be in the right mood to answer long messages, and I haven't been until this morning. Love, Kyoko15:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Replying now! ~*Giggle*~ Poor Kyoko, just when you reply to one long email, Ariel dumps you another one, lol. Don't worry, you don't have to reply if you don't want to :) Ariel♥Gold01:21, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I just resent that earlier one of mine in tweaked form due to technical issues. Hopefully that will work. I'll reply to your latest e-mail (and others) soon, I hope. I have other things to do first, OK? :) --Kyoko02:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
No worries, hon. I was able to get the gist of it, and I realize a lot of people write emails in HTML, so I'm used to having display issues with emails, lol. The worst part is that links don't show up, so they have to be copied and pasted, lol. Anyway don't worry about it, and if you don't want to reply, no worries! :D Ariel♥Gold02:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
16:50, 13 December 2007 ArielGold (Clarifying my last edit summary: "Vandalism" rollback hit by accident - this is a long standing content dispute, and should be discussed on the talk page rather than mass blanking of sourced sections.)
However if you look at the history of both the talk page and the article:
Article:
11:15, 11 December 2007 The Dragon of Bosnia (rv to last TDoB) (undo)
06:58, 10 December 2007 Philip Baird Shearer (Rv to last version by Osli73 a version with more emphasis on the ICJ Bosnian genocide Judgement)
23:25, 7 December 2007 The Dragon of Bosnia (→reverting Grandy's revert)
00:01, 6 December 2007 Philip Baird Shearer (162,373 bytes) (→reverting Grandy's revert)
From the article history, the edit to which you wrote you comment was:
16:41, 13 December 2007 Osli73 (Talk | contribs | block) (32,304 bytes) (rv to previous version by PBS)
Having reviewed these logs perhaps it might have been better not to revert Osli73's revert as he was reverting to a version by the person who added the last two substantial comments to the talk page one of which is the suggestion that formal mediation is started. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 21:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello Philip, after the edit, I immediately left a note for User:Osli73 explaining that it was a mistake, and letting him know that due to the history of a content dispute, and what seemed to me, to be two distinct versions of the article, I would leave it to him to discuss on the talk page, and to revert me if that was appropriate. You can see the comment I left him here. As I am unfamiliar with the content, or the content dispute, I did not feel it appropriate for me to make any decision, thus I used the edit summary to explain what happened, and anyone who is more familiar with it should feel free to revert me. Thanks for the note! Ariel♥Gold03:49, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Question about warning vandals
My most common encounter is with anonymous users with no account registered that make edits that are obvious vandalism (blanking a page, adding spam to a page, adding vulgar messages). IP addresses, in other words. What's the best way I should handle it? What I've done in the past is to leave a generic signed message on their talk page "Please do not vandalize Wikipedia. Thanks, signed." I read through your article, but I'm still a little confused about whether to use templates in these situations or not. Forgive me. Enigmaman (talk) 22:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Enigmaman, IPs are often shared, meaning more than one person may be on them, at the same time, or merely hours later. Generally speaking, I rarely make the assumption that the IP is one person, and for this reason, a different approach can be taken when warning or leaving notices. Especially when you see a banner at the top explaining the IP is shared, it is important to realize that the notices and warnings will be a record of activity, for administrators and for editors reverting their nonconstructive edits. It is really best to use the standard templates here, both for uniformity, and for administrators to know what level has been given. But, if, for example, a level 3 warning was given a week ago, and they make a nonconstructive edit today, one should assume this is a new person in many cases (WP:AGF) and leave a new level 1 warning, in effect, "starting over" with the sequence. Level 1 warnings generally should not mention the word "vandalism" (good faith assumed) and should not threaten a block, even if you hand type them or use tempaltes. I often prefer to use {{subst:uw-test1}} for most first edits, because there are really very few that are blatant malicious vandalism, many are just playing around, testing, seeing if "hey can you really edit here?" or blanking, which is quite often done by mistake. The entire list of types, levels, and how to use them is here. For IPs, it is a good idea to use the parameter to add which article you're referring to, (i.e. {{subst:uw-test1|Volcano}} for a nonconstructive edit on the article Volcano). This is helpful both to the person who has been warned, but also for other editors who may not know if the person was warned for a specific edit yet. Let me know if that didn't answer the question, I know I do tend to ramble, lol. Ariel♥Gold04:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello Marina! I'm not sure if you're asking me to comment on the above AfD and voice a "delete" opinion or not, since you offered a "keep" opinion, but I will just say that I am not really knowledgeable enough with Israeli culture to know if the organization is notable. One thing to consider is that sources should be third-party, to establish notability as well as verify information, and initially sources should be provided in English for the English Wikipedia. While after notability is established and information verified with English sources, Hebrew sources can be used, they should be used sparingly here, because the vast majority of readers would have no way of reading them, and thus, they do not serve the purpose of verification.
As far as Amir, you say he is vandalizing, but I would really ask you to check what that means in the context of Wikipedia, by reading this page, because Amire is an administrator, and I would really doubt that he is vandalizing. Administrators are editors who have advanced their knowledge of policy, and guidelines on Wikipedia, and have been entrusted by the community to perform additional tasks, such as deleting pages, protecting pages, etc. I think it would be best for you to ask Amir on his talk page about why he removes your edits, there are many issues that may be behind it, and it seems he is more than willing to explain things to you, as he's doing with the image permission discussion on your talk page. He speaks Hebrew fluently, so if the issue is perhaps a language barrier, and you speak Hebrew as well, then that would help very much with communication. I do hope that you work it out, it may simply be that some of your edits have not conformed to the manual of style, or perhaps they added unsourced information, I really don't know. I hope that you can discuss it with him, and realize that you both are here to help the project, and work together to accomplish that goal. Cheers Marina! Ariel♥Gold04:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, I admittedly have no knowledge of the subject, but Amir is correct, links to Google images are not appropriate, per the external links guideline, and as he explains, the image does not provide context or information that cannot be given in the article. I would really encourage you to discuss it with Amir, and perhaps you'd like to review Wikipedia:Images, as well as the image use policy to understand when, and why images are used in articles. I hope this helps! Ariel♥Gold15:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey dear, I got the one you sent referring to the rather amusing discussion you'd read, and yes, it amused me as well. :) I think I meant to drop you a note on your talk page, but I forgot, lol. Ariel♥Gold04:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Happy Holidays
You got a Christmas card! → → →
Wishing you and yours the very best of the holiday season. May the coming year bring you peace, joy, health and happiness. God bless us, every one! -- ALLSTARecho21:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Dear Ariel (and her loyal talk page watchers),
There's a user(s) who keep readding a picture of an ostensibly homeless man to the article Tramp, and I was wondering if you'd take a look at it for me. I gave a detailed rationale on the talk page for why the picture should not be included in the article, but its removal has been reverted at least twice without an edit summary or explanation. I have no desire to edit war or violate 3RR, left a note on the talk page of the IP as well about it, but I'm sure I'll get reverted again. If you wouldn't mind keeping an eye out on it if you agree with me, that would be great. Tramp is a pejorative term and there should not be a real person used to illustrate the concept; the man in the picture is merely standing there looking unkempt. ~Eliz81(C)22:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I remember seeing that initially, and wondering why a picture of a bearded man in a coat would be assumed to be someone who fit the word "Tramp". That seems quite a big assumption. I also don't think that a single picture can actually illustrate the complex word, and while in many cases, pictures add to the article, in this case, I'd say that a picture doesn't improve the article, because it tries to boil down the term into one image's representation, and I just don't think that's possible, there are so many connotations and ideas the word gives. I commented, requesting the IP discuss why that particular image should be added, but I really didn't even think the man looked all that unkempt. He simply had a long beard, and was bundled up, no different than anyone would be if it were cold outside, so I'm not sure what the story is there... Anyway I did comment. ~*Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold04:25, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining. It did seem odd that it had been tagged as a test page, because it went on and on and ON about a website in beta stage for people who knit (and associated arts). No references, no sources, no notability, as you suspected. As a website, it didn't qualify, but at least it made a change from MMORPGs and real estate sites, which seem to have been cropping up a lot lately. Sorry to have gotten in your way; in the future, I'm at your service. Accounting4Taste:talk06:03, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Ahhh, yeah the screenshot uploaded I tagged for having no FUR, but the article is now re-created, lol. And you didn't get in my way at all! I just wanted to let you know why I'd put what seemed to be a wrong CSD rationale, lol. No worries at all! Thanks! Ariel♥Gold06:06, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick note to explain that this article, and the related website, have special significance to the the 50,000+ people who utilize Ravelry. I am working with other members of the community to gather a list of links and references, and as far as notability, again, 50,000+ members strong. It is akin to articles about video gaming; it doesn't mean anything to me, specifically, but if the article is deleted, then the people to whom it matters have no chance to make necessary changes to it. Djdhaysjr (talk) 06:10, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Djd, I'd again like you to review the notability guideline that Wikipedia uses. What may be important to the users of a website, does not always translate into notability for an encyclopedia that relies on reliable, third party sources that provide fact-checking to verify information and notability. These are core policies of Wikipedia, and I realize that you may be unfamiliar with what Wikipedia is and is not, but please take a look, so you can understand why the page was deleted twice before, and why it may be deleted again. Thanks! Ariel♥Gold06:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
So, if I am reading the Notability page correctly, Ravelry should have been commented on by outside sources, in print articles? Djdhaysjr (talk) 06:38, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that is one way to verify notability, when a website is important, it will have been written up in news articles, journals, magazines, etc., (blogs, fan sites, and forums are not reliable sources). This both establishes notability and also verifies the facts of the article. Hope that helps! Ariel♥Gold06:40, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I think that the biggest barrier is that the site is still quite new. It has been commented on numerous times, on blogs; I understand how those are not always reliable. However, the blog mentions that I would refer you to have been written by published authors, among them; Stephanie Pearl-McPhee (Knitting Rules!, The Yarn Harlot, Stephanie Pearl-McPhee Casts Off!), Michael Del Vecchio (Knitting with Balls), etc. It has also been written up on WebWare, and on About.com.Djdhaysjr (talk) 06:48, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
See, that just goes to show you, it does have a presence out there; the article you mentioned was a new one to me! But were you able to read the two articles that I provided? They go into further detail about what the site is, etc.Djdhaysjr (talk) 06:58, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but unfortunately, about.com is not a reliable source, and neither is webware. :( I posted an idea on your talk page though! Ariel♥Gold07:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
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I know hon, I completely understand, really I do. But unfortunately, that's the policy, someone who hasn't edited in a week or two, or who has few recent edits, doesn't make the account inactive. And they did edit twice in the last couple weeks, after a long hiatus, so it could be that they plan to be active. Can you think of any other name you'd like just as much? Let me know here and I can look into that if you like. I'm really sorry. Ariel♥Gold15:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, those would also likely be too similar to the active account, and would cause confusion as to which editor you were, because the name is still the same. Might I suggest something like Alex Vogt? That seems to be less related to the active account, and isn't overly similar to any existing username. Ariel♥Gold10:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
You're quite welcome, Ariel! Maybe the formatting on Alison's page is affected by the code for her coloured background? I don't know. I haven't had a proper Christmas tree either for years. :( I'm glad you like the decorations! *hugs back* --Kyoko15:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
About the coding: my page uses <div> codes to make the purple colour, and I think Alison's is the same. Maybe it has something to do with those. You could leave a greeting on my page to test things out, or leave a greeting on Alison's page. Oh, and could you do me a favour? Please watch Riana's and Phaedriel's pages to see if the greetings need to be fixed in the future, OK? I'm not sure how much I'll be online. Thanks! --Kyoko16:11, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
You're lucky you caught me, I was about to log out. Thanks for looking into that. I don't know the specifics of how one version would work vs. the other for greetings like mine. Anyway, I'm signing off now. 'Bye! <3 --Kyoko16:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
~*Giggle*~ Thank you, yeah, it took me lots of time, if I were to add it all up, lol. And now I'm getting the "itch" to change it, gah! So far I'm resisting the temptation, lol. Ariel♥Gold08:10, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Arielgold! You asked for sources for the aditions i make to this article. The information are all from the cited book "Svensk teater och svenska skådespelare, Första boken 1772-1842", (Swedish theatre and Swedish actors, first book, from 1772 to 1842) by Georg Nordensvan. This is an execellent book with a lot of information. It's cited in the article. I hope it's okay! Best wishes!--85.226.235.206 (talk) 12:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Hope you like it. I was sorely tempted to add my 2 cents' plain to the Garry Webster discussion... but bit it back. Some of them are just plain pricks! Have a good weekend, LoL (Lots of Love), Shir-El too (talk) 00:08, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Shir-El!!! ~*Happy dance*~ Hello my dear, how is your new article project coming? I haven't checked it lately. And lol@the Webster thing, I realize how silly it must have appeared, but I thought that explaining why it would not be appropriate to add anatomical parts to every biography, would be better than just saying "no" or warning someone. It was an interesting discussion, to be sure, lol. YOu have a wonderful weekend too dear! Ariel♥Gold04:06, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
My step-grandmother found this one on the inside of a pay bathroom in Britain in the 1960's: Here lies McGlachlin, who died broken-hearted,/Because he spent a whole penny... and then only farted! Well... you asked. Shir-El too (talk) 23:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Would deeply appreciate your review and technical edit: I've tried to clean up the language, coherency and POV tagging, but will not touch the tags unless you say it's passable. I had to do several reverts because the article had been de-humanized to an appalling degree. It's still overblown somewhat (cultural and language bias) but interesting - I hope! Be back when I can. NB maybe the article in Hungarian can go among the references? There's too many images otherwise. 'Bye for now, Shir-El too (talk) 16:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I took a quick look, still some major issues related to the footnotes, there are naked URLs in the article, and that whole "footnotes" section is not done in the manual of style, in a way it is putting a whole second section of prose down there, when it should be incorporated into the article itself. Those things will need to be dealt with. I did a little work, put the naked URLs into ref tags for now, and I did some misc manual of style fixes, removed some neutrality issues, minor stuff. I'll work on it a bit more for the footnotes issues another time. I removed the two tags, and changed it to a different tag about the footnote style for now. Now, for stuff you could do, I think that the whole family section should be moved, I renamed the headers per biography standards, and I think that the family stuff could be incorporated into the early life somehow. I'm really wondering if a near-rewrite isn't in order for this, it is really disjointed in how it presents the person, and his work, unfortunately. Take a stab at it if you want! :D Ariel♥Gold17:25, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Take a stab at it if you want! :D lol! Thank you for doing it; each time you teach me more. I'll try again. Wish me luck! BTW, how do I make my username come out in fuchsia? Thank you, Shir-El too (talk) 23:01, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
For the signature: Click on "my preferences" at the top right of this page. You will see a text box that says "Signature" to the left of it. Check the check-mark box below it that says "Raw signatures" (Make sure it has a little check inside the box). Then, inside the text box that says "Signature", put one of the following raw codes, exactly as you see it here:
Or if you like a combination of the above, just tell me which ones and I can make it. Feel free to test it out here :) Ariel♥Gold08:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
