User talk:AndrewWTaylor/Archive 1

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Hussain A Tamboli

Did you delete my article. Please Reply.

Hussain A Tamboli

Hussain a tamboli (talk) 20:45, 6 September 2011 (UTC) Let me know the reason behind arguing on deleting the UML fever. The page is being written as a course assignment for a Object Oriented Modeling and Design. The page is under construction. Please don't delete this article. Let me discuss with our advisors.

The Kinky Kwartet

I would like to know why the Kinky Kwartet page was deleted. They are a legitimate band that is notable. They have been on Djibouti's top ten list which I believe satisfies that they are notable (WPBAND). I see no reason for the page to have been deleted.

The Free University Movement =

There appears to be spammers who advertise yogurt and other products deleting articles about the Free Open College and Free Open University movement. Thousands of people around the world are joining the free University movement but some do not believe that the "unfit" should have access to free university education. Some have other motivations to remove all references to the Free University Movement. MIT's open courseware is neither free nor open. It is typical for their open course to have no content and only refer the learner to a list of hundreds of dollars of MIT and other textbook publications. Wikipedia spammed their textbook selling scam while deleting all references to real free content such as UC Berkeley pod casts etc.

we are getting deleted and swamped by spam selling CLEP guides and link sites to online schools. please help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottprovost (talk • contribs) 08:31, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Whay was you deleted the article?

Whay was you deleted the article? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akademy_Masturbation&action=edit&undoafter=217561025&undo=217562786

You write it one too, one too...--123FM (talk) 16:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

message from 194.66.238.27

Someone from 194.66.238.27 wrote a message on your user page. I removed it from your user page and I am reposting it here. Kingturtle (talk) 17:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Please read the following before reverting good faith edits. This is includes a paragraph about how SQL needs proprietary extensions to make it turing complete because the relational model is not. Turing_complete. -194.66.238.27

Re 12/0

Apparently, the site now shows a chart without the /0 part. I find it less likely that the chart was changed so quickly than that the site covered its rear end by photoshopping the image and burying any trace of criticism. Oh well, what can you expect from a site that sold such a chart in the first place. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 19:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Prebendal School

I have left you a message about this on the talk page, please reply there :) SGGH ^speak! 17:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

PrefixNE

Hi. Thanks for keeping an eye out for spam articles!

I removed the speedy tag since the article asserts notability with the links to reviews in magazines. It still has a lot of problems, however, which I have tagged.

When you "speedy" an article, it's always good to give article creators a {{spam-warn}} notice warning them of imminent deletion:

1. It's a courtesy
2. It gives them feedback on what not to do if they want to recreate the article
3. It leaves a record of the deletion on the user's talk page should he add more of the same articles in the future.

Again, thanks for patrolling for this sort of article.
--A. B. ^(talk) 15:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - points taken AndrewWTaylor (talk) 16:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD for Wilmington Montessori School

Andrew, You initially and correctly put a Speedy on my first wikipedia article - Wilmington Montessori School - this past Saturday. I began my first wiki entry (for WMS) by viewing most of the other articles for sister schools in the Mid-Atlantic region. At the time, I was unaware of WP:WAX and WP:N, as such, my first entries mirrored many of those articles and did not carry much weight for notability even though I was providing as much or more information than other representative schools (again, unaware of WP:WAX .. and WP:V, WP:N, WP:RS, and even the proposed guideline Wikipedia:Notability (schools) that could provide at least a minimal starting point for a proper article). Since that time I have been reviewing many of the WP policies and guidelines and have also been revising the article with the help of other editors and have completed the following,

• Two other editors cleaned up any promotional material. I also removed a debatable claim that was not backed with secondary sources.

• Several secondary sources have been added.

• New reference added, although written by the current head of school, it is a doctoral dissertation and probably falls under WP:V "Academic and peer-reviewed publications are highly valued" and WP:RS Scholarship.

• Two additional references from independent educational associations, Tomorrow's Child published by The Montessori Foundation and Montessori Life published by The American Montessori Society are periodicals and could not be considered extremist or self-published by WMS; therefore, they also could fall under WP:V and WP:RS

• Two additional references regarding national grants - the first by the US Environmental Protection Agency; and, the second by Toyota and the National Science Teacher's Association.

• Added Montessori Life reference that "Wilminglon [sic] Montessori School ... Delaware's oldest and largest Montessori school..." [1]

With the additional recent work toward establishing notability and the additional comments by other experienced editors, I would appreciate if you could review Wilmington Montessori School, Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/Wilmington_Montessori_School, and Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Wilmington_Montessori_School and provide your opinion.

Regards. --Daddy.twins (talk) 12:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Comradio Speedy Delete

(Note: the following was relocated from your User page. --Daddy.twins (talk) 22:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC))

Hello.

Comradio is not an attempt to blatantly advertise a for-profit organization. It is part of an education institution and teaches students the fundemenals of Radio. I would ask for help in creating a better page rather than deleting it immediately because ComRadio is a well known station that many people may want to learn more about.

• Comment - added comment to the ComRadio Talk Page regarding speedy delete and possible merge solution. --Daddy.twins (talk) 22:23, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

why did you delete Cubanman? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cubanman (talk • contribs) 21:14, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Well why did u want it to be deleted did the page on cubanman affect you life in anyway? there are way stupider pages than cubanman on this site..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cubanman (talk • contribs) 03:09, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Glina massacre

I agreed with your comments about Glina massacre, which you nominated for deletion, so I've completely rewritten the article. I'd like to invite you to review the revised article and if you're amenable, to withdraw Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glina massacre as being superseded. -- ChrisO (talk) 10:40, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

SuperAntiSpyware

This article is less than what my article had. It needs to be deleted by your criterion. Family Guy Guy (talk) 06:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Reporting House

Hi, you put a Speedy Delete tag on Reporting House this afternoon, which was removed by the writer. I tagged it this evening (not realising you had already done so) and it was again removed. I have just re-tagged it, but have no faith that the tag will stay in place for very long. Is there anyone this should be reported to? --seahamlass 18:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• The writer has just put a hang-on onto the speedy tag - and reverted my recent edit, which deleted the fake Wikimedia Commons and Wikiquote refs. I'll keep an eye on it too. cheers!--seahamlass 18:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Harmony

Hello, sorry for not understanding Wikipedia's policy on external links correctly: being a no-profit website, where a project open to any new collaboration/collaborators is proposed without any sort of commercial (or any other form of) advertisement, I thought the link could be useful and of a certain public interest. Yes, I can realize now that a conflict may arise between my "private interests", as a programmer, and Wikipedia's obligations. So, I apologize for my disagreeable inattention, and thank you for your kindness. --Faustotorre (talk) 11:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Embedded marketing

Hi. I have taken care of the concerns that you raised at this afd. Would you care to reanalyze your opinion? Thanks,--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 18:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The big problem here is that the original creation of this article was a spammy effort to WP:COATRACK an ad for somebody's parent company, which sells this vile service. I have nothing against using it as a redirect, since the COI is thus defeated, and it's pretty clear that the term is in use by the Evil Empire, among others, independent of the spammer's employer. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:09, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Oxford Wikimania 2010 and Wikimedia UK v2.0 Notice

Hi,

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Cambridge meetup!

Hi, this is just to let you know of a proposed Cambridge meetup - suggested dates currently Saturday 18 October or Sunday 19th October. If you're interested, please give an idea of which day might be best for you there - & if you know of anyone else who might like to attend do let them know! Cheers, Dsp13 (talk) 13:54, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Pet Airways page deletion

You deleted the Pet airways page claiming that is was selling a organization and that is not a note worthy item that belongs in an encyclopedia. I think the first commercial pet airline is beyond noteworthy and i changed the article from sounding like it was selling to making it educational. Please advise me on what would allow this post to be public becuase i think the world should know about the first commercial pet airline. Brge85 (talk) 15:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)Brge85

Welcome

Welcome to the list and thanks for your contributions to the RD. -hydnjo talk 00:13, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Music

Thank you Andrew for the link ! I was looking for this one : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_musical_symbols Nicolas Messina —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.248.127.9 (talk) 17:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Meetup/Cambridge 2

Provisionally scheduled for February 28. Comments welcome, & seeing you there even better! Dsp13 (talk) 18:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

ACR Review Draft (Oops)

Oops :|

Thanks for tagging it. I intended for that to be in my user space, but didn't realize I had put it in article space. I've requested it to be userfied.  — master son^{T - C} 21:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

not a problem, you were right in doing it and didn't know. 8)  — master son^{T - C} 22:12, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Cambridge meetup

The second Cambridge meetup is confirmed for this Saturday, 3pm, at CB2 on Norfolk Street: Wikipedia:Meetup/Cambridge 2. Hope to see you there. Charles Matthews (talk) 16:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

March 2009

Please do not restore prods as you did with this edit it is obviously contested Please take it to WP:AFD. Cheers Kyle1278 14:58, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

• np no harm done. Cheers Kyle1278 15:13, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

lists in Excel

Yes, I got your reply. Thanks very much for the help! Matt Deres (talk) 12:33, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Shmoomins

Why have you deleted shmoomins twice now??? Im telling you this is a real word! Laimoaimo (talk) 19:47, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Meetup

FYI, the fourth Cambridge meetup will occur on the afternoon of Saturday 1 August. Charles Matthews (talk) 18:51, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion Shamsher Ali

Hi, I am still editing the article, so please remove the tag. --Smcbuet (talk) 17:05, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Reference Desk

I would just like to thank you for helping me on the reference desk here, I can't beleive it was staring me right in the face the whole time. I wanted this program to stop after 8 hours of running everyday and wouldn't you beleive there was an option where you said to stop it exactly after 8 hours. Cheers - all the best —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.168.25 (talk) 23:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Nightingale

Spotted your edits to the article A Nightingale Sang in Berkeley Square (song). What do think about the comment that “The recording by John Le Mesurier is widely regarded as the definitive version]]"? I like JlM but would not agree with this POV.

I am inclined to remove this POV ... the request for a citation has not been picked up. What do you think? Mikeo1938 (talk) 20:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Cambridge meetup 14 November

Another Cambridge meetup is planned for the afternoon of Saturday 14 November. Please contribute to the page and come along if you can. Charles Matthews (talk) 14:39, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

proposed museum deletion

Hi AndrewWTaylor, a few days ago you proposed Gounaropoulos Museum for deletion. Dr.Blofeld's stubs and his subsequent efforts have caused an amazing amount of articles to come alive, both in Films and Geography. Many of them however are doomed, and since you brought up the above mentioned stub, there is an awful lot more exactly like it under Category:Museums in Greece. Being familiar with Greek, I have attempted comparing with the Greek wikipedia's lists of museums, and visited as many links as I could find to determine notability. Few of these "dictionary-type" stubs are worth developing, but most should be condensed in a list IMO, if anything. How do you think is best to go about this cleanup? Hoverfish Talk 18:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Altered Speedy Deletion rationale: Zac poonen

Hello AndrewWTaylor, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I have deleted a page you tagged (Zac poonen) under a criterion different from the one your provided, which was inappropriate or incorrect. CSD criteria are narrow and specific to protect the encyclopedia, and the process is more effective if the correct deletion rationale is supplied. Consider reviewing the criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. Thanks again! Coffee // have a cup // ark // 16:02, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Clear Enterprise

Andrew,

Thank you for replying to my message contesting deletion under the category of "unambiguous advertising". I have read the guidelines you referred to and was very careful to follow correct formatting and refrain from any opinions negative or positive, in order to remain neutral and informative.

To be honest, I'm honestly sad to say that I'm losing faith in Wikipedia. I thought it was for everyone, for anyone, to share any neutral information that allowed people to find out more (about more stuff), in one place.

Well, there is so much unwarranted negativity and red tape that it feels like it's just not worth it. I feel that I should be telling everyone how contributing within the guidelines of Wikipedia (as I have done) is a big waste of time (I don't want to... but that's how I feel).

This is very frustrating. Could you please actually tell me how that page qualified as unambiguous advertising? Because if not, then shouldn't it be undeleted?

When someone has put hard work into creating a totally neutral and informative page, I don't understand how an admin can delete it without providing even a single specific and referenced reason. And without a chance for meangingful discussion. How can we possibly help the community to grow within the guidelines and spirit of Wikipedia and keep in check anyone who might otherwise impede it's growth and good nature (making unwarranted claims and imposing unfair penalties on honest contributors).

I feel that I'm trying to make an honest and valuable contribution and that at present I'm surrounded by bullies who answer to no-one. Is that the spirit under which Wikipedia was created or is supposed to be administered?

Wikipedia:CSD#G11 "Note that simply having a company or product as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion."

--Aj robo (talk) 00:10, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Knock-out Whist

Dear friendly editor Andrew,

I kindly ask you to revert your move as for the image deleted or replace it for a more suitable one once you think it doesn't fit the place. As a more experienced editor than I am, you know that unless clearly better or more appropriate images are available, the existing images in the article should be left in place (Wikipedia:Layout#Images).

Knowing that your concern as for the improvement of the articles listed in Wiki is noticeable, I assume that you agree that delition is indeed a step backwards. Yes, I entirely agree with you that the image in question may not be suitable for the article, so if you can't or don't want to make it any better, please, don't delete it. There are hundreds of images that you can place there, all at you disposal. You can choose any one you wish, one that you like, and I will struggle to keep it there for you.

Yes, I was called attention on many subjects here in Wiki, but I didn't take this as an offence or enough reason to get mad at those who called my attention to the problem. Instead, I followed their advice and made them my friends.

Yours truly, Krenakarore (talk) 23:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Pakefield Local Elections

Why have you added a addon on my page think its funny do you after all that work? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.23.68 (talk) 17:39, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

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1. Robin Matthews (economist) - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

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Ninian Finlay

Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate the information, but if it's going to be added there will have to be some print references to expand it, because there's a tendency for these things to be removed.

Ninian Finlay is definitely one of the more interesting early players.

There was certainly a player I know of called Gardyne Maitland. Gardyne is an extremely unusual first name, in fact until you mentioned "Gardyne Maitland", I'd never heard of it being used elsewhere.--MacRusgail (talk) 15:08, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Meetup in Cambridge, 27 March

See Wikipedia:Meetup/Cambridge 6 - much as before. We'd be glad to see you. Charles Matthews (talk) 19:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer

Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, is currently undergoing a two-month trial scheduled to end 15 August 2010.

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Reference Desk about 'fall'

Yep, you got me. Of course there was no UK then. I should have thought more before I spoke - some habits are harder to give up than tobacco!! Best Richard Avery (talk) 18:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of external link in Music Notation

Hi Andrew, I have read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:EXT and it seems to me that the Clef Cleaner webpage is an excellent candidate for an external link. It is not, as you say, a "blog post", but rather a webpage like all the other links with Wordpress used only as a framework. If you read the content you will find that it suggests a much better system for musical notation than any of the other "alternative" notations mentioned. I would go so far as to say this theory deserves its own section in the article, while most of the other links you have approved are personal webpages that bring nothing new to the table, some are full of ads, some are webshops. Any thoughts on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.71.19.244 (talk) 11:11, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

		The Reference Desk Barnstar
		For your patience and good grace when dealing with my vague and silly question PanydThe muffin is not subtle 20:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

such that

I noticed that you changed several "such that" to "so that" in eight queens puzzle. I didn't put any of those in there, but in math it is common to use "such that" in those situations. What is the guideline for "so that" instead of "such that"? Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 17:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

grueblers equation

Sir, i require that can we call L=2p-4 as grueblers equation ,l=2p-4 is used in theory of machines for finding the number of links when number of pairs is given in a kinematic chain. thanx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.130.246 (talk) 15:07, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tourism in Somalia

Read WP:DEADLINE, then come back and provide an explanation of why we should delete an article covering a notable topic rather than repairing it if needed, please. ╟─TreasuryTag►Speaker─╢ 16:37, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

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WikiProject East Anglia

Would you be interested in WikiProject East Anglia?

If yes, please support us here at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/East Anglia. Wilbysuffolk talk 07:54, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Brooklyn Tabernacle

Please explain to me why this article keeps getting deleted. It is a significant public institution that should have an ecnyclopedia article. What's going on? --Sanya3 (talk) 00:22, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Jim Cymbala

Please explain to me why this article keep s getting deleted. He is a major public figure, and a best-selling author. Why does it keep getting deleted? --Sanya3 (talk) 00:22, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Altered speedy deletion rationale: Alla Ayodhya Rami Reddy

Hello AndrewWTaylor. I am just letting you know that I deleted Alla Ayodhya Rami Reddy, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided, which doesn't fit the page in question. Thank you. —SpacemanSpiff 18:13, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Michael Pillay

Hi Andrew. Just wanted to let you know that the references for this article have been inserted. The references caused the publishing error, and before I could recitfy it, I received your message about the lack of references. This ommission has now been rectified. My sincere apologies for any inconvenience caused. Savesh.pather (talk) 13:29, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Peepdf

Hi Andrew, I've seen some other tools related to PDF creation/modification in the Wikipedia so could you tell me how I can modify the article to not being deleted, please? Thanks! Jose Miguel Esparza 18:39, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Amy Less obsession with the Kardasians

You have tagged this page for speedy deletion per WP:G1. This is an inappropriate use of G1, because the G1 criteria only applies to actual nonsense (such as [2]). Amy's comments are coherent, but should be deleted per WP:A3, due to the presence of "chat-like comments". Thanks. --Anthem 10:49, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

"anonymous (street meat)"

is my short from late Dec. 2010, early January 2011, which went to Cannes and has been selected at a couple of film festivals so far. It can be linked to IMDb, but I don't know how to link it. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1821327/

Thanx -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IVmVa8HzYE

Migdia Chinea "anonymous (street meat)" Mig (talk) 19:29, 4 July 2011 (UTC

Hi -- I think I'm being hacked because I couldn't get through this morning at all. My page has some signs on it that are not fair because all that has been inserted on the text are updates. The decision made by Judge J. Spencer Letts is in the Supreme Court Appeal and it's a matter of record, no one can dispute that. Everything else is correct.

On my grandfather Jose Luis Chinea -- When one deals with Cuban issues, such as my grandfather Colonel Chinea, one must understand that Cuba is a closed totalitarian country not unlike North Korea with which Cuba maintains diplomatic relations -- communication with the island is restricted for exiles and their relatives, so the government NEVER responded to my request for information about my grandfather, which is not unusual -- I'm going to try to post a picture of my grandfather here in full regalia -- that's as close as I get vis-a-vis corroboration. Most Cubans have nothing left here of their past because the Cuban government doesn't allow paperwork when one flees and sometimes it becomes impossible to carry such paperwork on an inner tube, as you may imagine. Well, I can't figure out a way to get a photo posted -- can you show me how? It's a shortcut on my desktop.

As to "anonymous (street meat)" More will be said about my short because of its quality and subject-matter -- here's a linked Bruin article in that regards (my name was misspelled) -- http://www.dailybruin.com/index.php/article/2011/05/grad_student_midgia_chinea039s_film_039anonymous_street_meat039_selected_for_cannes_short_film_festi

Thank you,Mig (talk) 17:29, 5 July 2011 (UTC) Migdia Chinea UCLA MFA TFTDM Screenwriting, Directing and Digital Media -- the fact that I'm there at UCLA speaks volumes about opportunities in entertainment and elsewhere -- I have more produced credits than the professors and I've been often treated by them like garbage. Mig (talk) 17:33, 5 July 2011 (UTC) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Old business that has resurfaced and because of that, this is for the record -- just in case.

There was an article in which the Judge assigned to the case against the WGAW and CBS was quoted as making the statement "if you can get something for half-pay why would you pay full price." The piece was deleted by unknown. However, it is quoted in the class action Supreme Court Brief and it would not have been quoted if it wasn't a matter of record.

I've been maligned by the Guild and CBS as if I had done something wrong and as if I had opposed "affirmative action." The Guild -- along with CBS -- have all the power and money.

Here's what I did: I opposed half-pay in the name of "affirmative action" and thought that it was used as a cynical ploy to demean Hispanics, obfuscate the truth and squelch dissent.

I must also point out that I was blacklisted in the industry to this day and that some Hispanics benefited for going along with the WGAW/CBS half-pay program and they also benefited for speaking out against me. In my view, the half-pay program was nothing more than a publicity stunt to artificially increase employment stats. As deplorable as that can be -- it's dog eat dog out there and since Hispanics are discriminated, not only does the Guild, and the rest pit, one against the other, but Hispanics themselves will do whatever it takes to get ahead -- even if that means sentencing another Hispanic to unemployment and oblivion.

My conscience is clear, but my bank account reflects the consequences of this back backstabbing. I have resurfaced as a UCLA Grad film student and have not allowed their combined behavior to impede my aspirations or ambitions -- even though I'm fully cognizant that they have put me through hell unnecessarily and that I'm paying for having opposed discrimination -- paying with my purse and my time and my health, by being humiliated. Paying, when professors who dislike uppity Hispanics make disparaging comments. Paying for not abiding to instructions that I not talk about myself.

Still paying.

Kind regards -- Mig (talk) 16:24, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

YIBALEH listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect YIBALEH. Since you had some involvement with the YIBALEH redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). —SW— ^comment 21:52, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Expanish

I've declined your speedy deletion request for Expanish because it is a school and is therefore not eligible for speedy deletion under WP:A7 criteria. Thanks. --Mrmatiko (talk) 18:40, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Bounty edits

Hello, I reverted your Bounty edits because "it is hoped" is passive voice and not as succinct as "hopefully," the adjective "singleminded" for Bligh is more straightforward than making an adverb out of it and thus needing to add a comma, and it was a difficult voyage. Regards — HarringtonSmith (talk) 16:04, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

I like the repetition of "difficult" for the same reason I like "It's a dirty story of a dirty man and his clinging wife doesn't understand." For me, it's what makes the sentence — but like you, not enough to want to fight over it. At least not with a fellow fan of MOTB. Cheers — HarringtonSmith (talk) 23:37, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Stuart Ford (film producer)

This was an error on my part and has now been corrected. Thank you for pointing this out. Bigar (talk) 11:45, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Gayhooray

Hello AndrewWTaylor. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Gayhooray, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7: the article claims 1.9 million active profiles, this is enough of a claim of notability to make CSD A7 invalid. Thank you. Fæ (talk) 21:30, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

User:K.h93/SMS Billing Types

Hi I have been trying to create this page SMS Billing Types for a while as I was looking for the information to help with an article I was writing myself about SMS Billing and for the first time Wikipedia was no help! I have had the page deleted twice and been warned for advertising (not intentionally but now I see what they meant by it!) I was wondering if you could check the page and get back to me with any helpful feedback please! I would like to ensure others have a full knowledge of this.

Many Thanks!

K.h93 (talk) 10:28, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Flavourbeans

Hi Andrew. The creator of all those comic character stubs has now been blocked for sockpupptry. They may have created dozens of such articles. If you feel like a challenge, would you like to have a go at finding the rest and tagging them all for CSD? I'm rather tied up on something else at the moment. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:45, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion :) I'll try to have a go at it over the next few days. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 16:26, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Between Lust and Love

This article wasn't eligible for speedy deletion criteria A7 (or A9) as the album is by a notable musician, Scott Stapp. I've redirected it to the Scott Stapp article as there is a section about the album there. Peter E. James (talk) 22:07, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

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About Sunny Steel Enterprise Ltd

Hi AndrewW! I have asked the WikiProject China/NNU Class Project to for some help with this article, and so would ask you to remove the WP:CSD tag, if you are on-line now. It may or may not be declined otherwise. Your thoughts about this? --Shirt58 (talk) 10:14, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

black as a nun's twat

Thanks for the info on this on my talk page. I did find the answer a week after I posted that, but I have never managed to locate the collection of juvenile verse of famous poets. I do remember it made us all collapse in laughter circa 1970, but I can't rem what it was called. Do you have any idea. It certainly is a great idea for a Christmas compendium, is it not? Myles325a (talk) 03:55, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Honley Junior Schoool

I have converted Honley Junior School into a redirect back to Honley and thus removed your prod. I nearly speedied it myself and would have done so had it not been a newbie(?) creation - but it had to go! Regards  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   10:28, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Fully

My edit to the Stephen Lawrence article is fully sourced to the old version of the Met web-site. Silly liar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.120.127.78 (talk) 14:05, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Hilton Saven

Hello AndrewWTaylor, I notice that at User talk:Syllae#Speedy deletion nomination of Hilton Saven, you have added a speedy deletion template. Was this page deleted?, as it may have been created again. The current version was created after you put the template on the talk page. --220 of ^Borg 15:43, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Sisteer

why inappropriate? It's a plausible typo. 124.170.40.14 (talk) 11:20, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Do you reply to these messages? 124.170.40.14 (talk) 11:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

OK: firstly I don't think "Sisteer" is a plausible typo for "Sister" that needs a redirect, otherwise we would have redirects for any kind of finger trouble; secondly, the article in question seemed to be blatant advertising and I thought it needed to go through the correct process. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 15:24, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Gavin Aronsen

Hi Andrew - I came across Gavin Aronsen right as you posted a CSD on it. I removed your CSD. I need to sleep as I have class tomorrow, but he definitely meets the GNG, and I'll be adding sources in the near future to show so. Kevin (talk) 08:41, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Hasty and wrong deletion

There's no question that Taylor Business Institute is notable. It's been advertised, in commercials, ads, in the news, FOR DECADES. It's a business college, fairly well known. I did not write much, at first, but I was gonna get to it. You and others SIMPLY DID NOT GIVE ME THE CHANCE to expand or add context etc. Why not? Why be so hasty, quick, and knee-jerk? I barely wrote it minutes ago, and it's gone already, simply because it was a stub. Taylor Business Institute is sourced, known, and notable. Copiously so. Why do that? It seems like certain Wikipedians who deal with this matter are trigger-happy with the deletion button, without carefully or fairly or intelligently considering the matter, or giving any time. Others could have added to the stub too. So what? It just needed some expanding. But TBI is notable. That's not really debatable. Cheers. Hashem sfarim (talk) 12:48, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

No need to reply - he posted the same rant on Fastily's page, and is wholly ignoring the help he has already been provided on his own talkpage (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 15:02, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Wilky, I'm NOT "totally ignoring" it. I'm considering it (though I personally disagree with its implentation BY some dogmatic ones such by Andy here, as a wee bit more time could have theoretically been given). I was just making the point (that you're ignoring) that it would have been nice if more than 3 seconds was given in deleting the thing. Like maybe 24 hours. THAT'S IT. It's not that I'm "totally ignoring" the "help" given (the other Admin "Bmusician" was more cool about it, you were just big jerk). So don't assume, as usual. Also, uh, why not butt out? This isn't even your business. It seems that a lot of your rancor here towards me is based on some personal bias, from some minor nonsense from ages ago. Admin or not. It's not cool. Thank you. Hashem sfarim (talk) 20:29, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Chedham's Yard

Hello AndrewWTaylor. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Chedham's Yard, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: "The site was the winner of the BBC Restoration Village competition in 2006" is an indication of importance. Thank you. Bmusician 13:04, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Homer vawter

I have declined the speedy deletion of Homer vawter, which you tagged for speedy deletion. The article states that the subject was the mayor of Jeffersonville, Indiana; since there exists a list of mayors of Jeffersonville, Indiana with several blue links, this indicates that the subject is possibly notable, so criterion A7 does not apply. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 10:28, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Talkpage note

Thanks for posting that translation - actually, I found it after deciding to delete! I skimmed through the article, which said 'formula spam' to me, and then verified in Google Translate. Then I looked at the talk page...It's a good idea to post these things, though. Hoaxes are another area where a note on the talk page is helpful. Something that is an obvious hoax to one isn't to another. Peridon (talk) 12:53, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of WebHouse

Hi Andrew W. Taylor!

How come you have set the article "WebHouse" for Speedy deletion because it is a company ?

I can find thousands of examples of companies who have a Wikipedia entry for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/37signals

WebHouse is just like 37 Signals a privately held company who basically does the same in a smaller scale than 37.

Best regards Christian Broberg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbroberg (talk • contribs) 14:06, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

The problem with the article was not to do with the importance of the company (though it may not qualify under Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion) , but its very promotional tone, making it look like an advertisement rather than a neutral encyclopedia article. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 15:21, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

It being a company it not a reason either to keep or delete. Its existence isn't, either. I deleted it because of the promotional wording. It being in Danish was not a factor, although that would have mattered later after significance had been assessed - and I didn't see much to assert significance in real terms. PR type hype is not a credible assertion of real significance, unless good sourcing is provided (complying with WP:RS). Company notability is at WP:CORP. If you wish the article to be in Danish, I would suggest the Danish Wikipedia as a place to post it. Articles here should be in English. Peridon (talk) 15:50, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Very Speedy deletion

That was fast...

I don't know how this works yet so I apologise for any mistakes. Kingdom of the Orange Burping Dragon-Toad of Uzganistan (talk) 14:04, 28 March 2012 (UTC) <-- See that, name signed :D

Mutuality

They'll be calling us socks or a cabal soon... Peridon (talk) 15:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Twinkle problems

Hi Andrew, I didn't create the article Omar esa I merely redirected it to Omar Esa per WP:MOSTITLE. I had this problem yesterday as well when I speedied something using twinkle and the warning ended up on my page. It seems to be a twinkle glitch. Valenciano (talk) 10:53, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Euphanasia Entertainment (CEO)

Hello AndrewWTaylor. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Euphanasia Entertainment (CEO) to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 02:13, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

(Un)sourced claim (followup to your helpdesk reponse)

Could you revisit Wikipedia:Help_desk#History_of_perpetual_motion_machines? The poster to whom you responded omitted some crucial details in his explanation of the situation. He's already indef'ed for WP:NLT, but may as well resolve his bad-faith filing too. DMacks (talk) 19:46, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

List of politicians who have met with Pope Francis

Do you think the list would still be pointless if it were moved to "List of political meetings of Pope Francis"? Janus Savimbi (talk) 00:07, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

School VLE

Hi AndrewWTaylor

Thank you for you edits on the School VLE page. I shall attempt to make the necessary edits to the page to the standard required within the time frame. These are among my first edits, so bound to get everything wrong. The page wasn't orphaned before as it was connected with the Virutal Learning Enviroment page, but this seems to have changed drastically.

When these have been made I would appreciate any further input on how to improve the page to make it suitable for permanent inclusion on wikipedia.

Many Thanks

Skjreilly (talk) 21:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

About Ya (programming language)

From Pavel Senatorov (talk) 04:09, 3 September 2013 (UTC). You wrote me that Ya (programming language) is assumed to be deleted. Because the language is not known yet. That's right, not known yet.

I published an article because

• Wikipedia is used by everybody.
• The language Ya probably will gain some popularity.
• And no any conflicts.

Why not to remain the article as is? What will be better if to remove? Yes, it's not yet known but also not bothers anybody.

Pavel Senatorov (talk) 04:09, 3 September 2013 (UTC).

Creativity and survival

You were the third editor(I was the second but didn't know about the first PROD till after I did it too) to PROD that article. While I agree with you, it has to go the AFD process now. I nominated[3] it....William 21:27, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the note - as you will see I have added my voice to the afd discussion. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 12:35, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Maissiat (singer)

Thanks for what you do for our encyclopaedia. I created the page Maissiat (singer) ; and I would really appreciate if you could restore it, so that I can add on it more information and make it meet the required criteria. Thanks! Sepal V. Gamet (talk) 09:27, 29 September 2013 (UTC).

Excel question: horizontal line

In Excel (2010), is there any way to get a solid horizontal line directly in the middle of a cell, going from left to right (in other words, cutting the cell in half horizontally)? I don't want to use a series of dashes or minus signs or equal signs, because they have a little blank space between each character (leaving little gaps). Rather, I want a solid, unbroken horizontal line (with no gaps). I looked in the "borders" format function, under "more borders". And there is indeed exactly the type of border that I am looking for. However, that specific border format is "grayed out", so that I am not able to click on it. Why is it even there, if it cannot be clicked on or selected? Or am I doing something wrong, and I should indeed be able to click on it? Any ideas? Thanks! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:17, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

You could use a macro to draw the lines. The following VBA code draws a horizontal line in the middle of every cell in the current selection:

Sub DrawLines()
    Dim c As Range
    For Each c In Selection
        ActiveSheet.Shapes.AddLine c.Left, c.Top + c.Height / 2, c.Left + c.Width, c.Top + c.Height / 2
    Next
End Sub

AndrewWTaylor (talk) 18:07, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I will try that macro and see how that works. But, I have no idea of what a macro really is. So, where exactly do I type all of that above code? Where in the Excel spreadsheet do I type all of that? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:01, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

You need to copy it into the Visual Basic Editor, which you can get to by pressing Alt+F11. Here are some links that should get you started: [4], [5], [6]. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 09:40, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the info and for those links. I will try that. Thank you. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 13:42, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the macro is definitely the most elegant solution, and it works perfectly (I've just tried it). Dbfirs 17:19, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

To AndrewWTaylor: Thank you very much for providing me with this macro, and with the links that explain how to create a macro. I really do appreciate it. Thanks again! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:21, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again! Much appreciated! I will be using your macro; it does exactly what I want/need. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:30, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Kwikdesk

you marked the page we put up for deletion, I'm guessing because you thought it wasn't important. The site is about a company which is making news across the globe for enabling people without a voice to speak and its controversial affiliation with the leader of the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989. We added that list but as surely that makes it relevant, no? thanks (Webadditive (talk) 21:58, 10 December 2013 (UTC))

Calling all experts

Hi Andrew. I am very pleased - very pleased indeed - to have given even one editor the impression that I am an expert in anything at all. Would that it were so. Sadly, no. I just struggle along life's rich pathway like everyone else. I do have a few pet areas of interest, as most people do, but even with them, I am constantly discovering new things, some of which, rather than simply adding to my store of knowledge, actually upset my existing understandings and beliefs and change my thinking. This is a good thing. I would never wish to think that I knew all there is to know on any subject. I've never even come close. Hell, I still know next to nothing about myself, after a lifetime of study. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 18:39, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Snap (web framework)

You PRODded this, and it was deleted. Undeletion has been requested at WP:REFUND, so per WP:DEL#Proposed deletion I have restored it, and now notify you in case you wish to consider AfD. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Free what?

I've just searched for occurrences of "free reign" that I can eliminate or brand with a "sic" tag; but I find that you've already taken care of them. Good work! Ammodramus (talk) 02:24, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Addresses

I greatly enjoyed the article you linked to about addresses. There's a High Street near where I grew up in Cornwall which could confuse some. DuncanHill (talk) 23:59, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks @DuncanHill: - that list always comes to mind when US sites ask me to fill in my State and Zip code.. 13:42, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

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Tagging of Feels Like

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Software patterns

Thanks for tagging this article for speedy. If I recall correctly, it was also sppedied yesterday! It needs to be creation blocked, along with the other softare-related article that user created. HappyValleyEditor (talk) 08:11, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Excellent

Hello AWT. Love the mention of this. I still use that line when it fits into a conversation. He was a real treat as an entertainer. I often wonder what it was like to be a student in his classroom. Thanks for the smile. MarnetteD|Talk 17:32, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Revert edit in Mandelbrot Set

I gave the link to the Mandelbrot Set article to a friend that knows absolutely nothing about mathematics, but that wanted to know more about the Set. Later, he replied to me: "I could not understood the first phrase, so I didn't read more!". If he would continued reading, he would realized that the rest of the introduction is affordable. In my opinion, the introduction of Wikipedia articles should not include descriptions that require specialized knowledge in any area, in particular in the very first line. The Wikipedia recomendations specify:

"The article should begin with a short declarative sentence, answering two questions for the nonspecialist reader: "What (or who) is the subject?" and "Why is this subject notable?"

If you insist to keep the math description in the introduction, then you should move it to another part of the introduction... Aacini (talk) 02:32, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

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	Your pointer to the bioetymology site will no doubt prove very useful for me many times. Thanks for providing not only the precise fish I'd been hungering for, but also the location of an extremely rich fishing hole! PaulTanenbaum (talk) 14:41, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Paradox page

How come you removed my edit from the list of paradoxes page?

-Editguy111

Sorry for not signing properly, have to look up how to do that. Editguy111 (talk) 19:17, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Help Desk response

This is about the Help Desk thread now archived at Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2017_June_9#Assistance_with_Sabotour. It's not a criticism, just a suggestion for the future.

Your response to the OP was correct and fully warranted. However it had the disadvantage that we will now never know who the OP's boss is. My previous response was written to find out what the OP was up to, so that I could keep an eye on the article and stop them from from doing it. Maproom (talk) 08:42, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

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The statement C you deleted is explained and referenced in the talk section and is equivalent (I verified that) so is allowed under Wikipedia policy.

However it took me a day to figure I had not disproved the main proof being it is not in form actual infinity (all at once rather than forever ). That's not obvious if it is applied to Aleph-1 class sets. Many set theory proofs have to be in that form but Wikipedia routinely doesn't since they can be hard to follow. Such a proof is in the literature, it is only linked to. Victor Kosko 20:14, 29 September 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victor Kosko (talk • contribs)

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Land of the free...

( Moved from Wikipedia:Reference Desk/Humanities —— Shakescene (talk) 18:27, 13 June 2020 (UTC) )

If you don't want those items discussed, how about you remove them from your question? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:20, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

And by the way, the entire nation of North Korea is effectively a prison with a population of some 25 million. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:32, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Effective prison systems are the best kind, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:42, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

It does the job for Kim. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:42, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Good thing a solid chunk are Kim, then. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:49, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Lots of Koreans are named Kim. It's like the Korean analogue to Smith or Jones. But there's only one guy named Kim who actually matters in NK. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:53, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

For more about the concept of freedom, see Liberty. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:34, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

And you're mixing your metaphors. Police brutality, "excessive force", is often against the law, but it still happens. In contrast, the drinking age, along with whether to allow capital punishment, are chosen by the people of the individual states. If you don't like those things in your state, you are free to exercise your First Amendment rights and lobby for change. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:46, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Lobbying is too expensive for the average "you", same with suing corporations. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:51, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Not really. It just matters how badly you want it. States with the death penalty are apparently OK with it. Likewise with the drinking age. But there's nothing stopping anyone from speaking out. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:55, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, hearing constituents complain. That's what legislators value over money. Good luck, folks! InedibleHulk (talk) 11:59, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

It depends on your priorities. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:11, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

• Wow, how dare someone say something about the US that isn't entirely positive eh? What is this? Fox News? Can we have some semblance of an adult discussion here? The OP asked an interesting, if somewhat naive question. The contradictions they mention are indeed odd to those outside the US, especially those used to a more liberal (in the American use of the word) society. Now, the question is probably not within the remit of the Refdesk, but there is no need to go off on nationalistic rants. And what does North Korea have to do with anything? Fgf10 (talk) 13:37, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
  • He said the US has the "largest prison population on Earth", which is a biased claim. The OP probably won't be back anyway, so this section will soon die. P.S. I hope you enjoy your national leader as much as we enjoy ours. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:45, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

According to List of countries by incarceration rate, the US comes top on both "Prison Population" and "Incarceration Rate per 100,000 population" (by a substantial margin in both cases), so where is the "biased claim"? AndrewWTaylor (talk) 14:11, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

The bias is in those numbers. North Koreans can't leave their country. That's prison. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:33, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Talking about biased claims...  --Lambiam 17:50, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

• I find it more interesting that in the list of things OP chooses to point out as contrary to freedom, the first item is the drinking age, and at the head of a list including of mass incarceration, capital punishment, and police brutality. I am reminded of the second half of Gil Scott-Heron's "Comment No. 1" (on Small Talk at 125th and Lenox). A good listen for those ITT. 199.66.69.67 (talk) 17:48, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

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