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I don't remember which article it was, but I saw a while ago that you removed the -60 portion from a 99* production code because it's not actually part of the production code. Should we remove these in the other articles we watch? For example, the NRDD season three finale. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:49, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

I Am Frankie writing credits

I just remembered that you made this edit a while ago. While I had been inserting them like that, we would probably be fine just using "and" with no line breaks since it doesn't change the context, which would make those cells look nicer.

If you remember the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Archive 22#Replacing br-separated director and writer lists, to quote Gerlado: The distinction is between two writers collaborating on a particular script (names separated with "and"), or an established writing duo who always work together (names separated with "&"). A writing team is really an entity in of itself, like a partnership name. See WGA screenwriting credit system for more on this and why it matters. I would consider line breaks and commas equivalent to "and" but "&" means a single entity so should not be broken. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:23, 29 February 2016 (UTC) Bold emphasis mine.

Using "and" would, again, not change the context and would make the table look equal vertically all the way down, like so: https://i.imgur.com/Vv9VUk7.png Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:30, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn - The Quad Test (S1)

One thing I do when I clean up episode lists now is replace all viewers sources with Showbuzz Daily since it's now the biggest source out there for that, especially TV Media Insights since all of those links are dead. The problem is that between August 10, 2014, when Showbuzz Daily started posting ratings, and April 21, 2015, they only had the top 25, so for episodes of shows that aired in that range, it's kind of a hit and miss on whether they will be on the chart or not. (This was made easier when they changed it to the top 100 on April 22, 2015.) In those cases, I leave the sources as either Zap2it or TV Media Insights and create archive links for the latter. And I would change the TV Media Insights links to Zap2it in those cases, but the problem is that searching Zap2it never yields anything for me, whereas it's a lot easier on Showbuzz Daily.

Anyway, the number of viewers for The Quad Test from the first season of Nicky, Ricky, Dicky, Dawn was 1.72 million. It is a TV Media Insights link, but the problem is that the numbers were in a comment, and even looking at an archived page, I can't seem to find the viewers. Additionally, I don't know if that 1.72 million was rounded or not, so I just put it in the calculation for the ratings section I just added to the main article as 1.720. I know you haven't had much luck finding the viewers for the season one finale of Liv and Maddie, but do you want to give this one a go and see if you can find something? Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:04, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

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Nickelodeon guest stars

I don't remember where it was that we discussed this—either here or another article's talk page, like Backstage—but remember how we decided to go with "Actor (Role)" for the guest stars of Nickelodeon shows since it's never shown who actors portray, at least with the actual end credits? With the generic end credits Nickelodeon uses because they care too much about their precious commercials and don't want to play the actual end credits, it depends on the show. For example, Henry Danger, Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn, and Game Shakers show who the guest stars portray in the generic end credits while the The Thundermans and School of Rock don't. What we also agreed on at the time was to put the characters portrayed in parentheses for the first occurrence; however, for consistency, I'm thinking it would be okay to use the standard "Actor as Role" format. Maybe just have a hidden note next to the guest stars on the first episode of each season stating that the names being used aren't the officially credited names, but rather the WP:COMMONNAMEs. Amaury (talk | contribs) 01:21, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

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Nickelodeon guest stars again!

Since the last one got archived too quickly!

I don't remember where it was that we discussed this—either here or another article's talk page, like Backstage—but remember how we decided to go with "Actor (Role)" for the guest stars of Nickelodeon shows since it's never shown who actors portray, at least with the actual end credits? With the generic end credits Nickelodeon uses because they care too much about their precious commercials and don't want to play the actual end credits, it depends on the show. For example, Henry Danger, Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn, and Game Shakers show who the guest stars portray in the generic end credits while the The Thundermans and School of Rock don't. What we also agreed on at the time was to put the characters portrayed in parentheses for the first occurrence; however, for consistency, I'm thinking it would be okay to use the standard "Actor as Role" format. Maybe just have a hidden note next to the guest stars on the first episode of each season stating that the names being used aren't the officially credited names, but rather the WP:COMMONNAMEs. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:38, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

FWIW, if the character names aren't included in the show's (end) credits, I would go with the "common name" as spoken during the episode (which will generally just be a first name), and would do it parenthetically: e.g. "Special guest star: Jace Norman (as Henry)". Something like that. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:42, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

I still think "Jace Norman as Henry," etc. would be fine. Obviously, this is only my opinion, but you know me, and I dislike parentheticals. The only exception is the "Characters" section because there it makes sense. (Character (Actor) is a person.) We can just add a general hidden note at the top or something stating that the character names are not in the credits and the common names are being used. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:48, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

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While there is a working archive of the Show Bios page on Disney ABC Press, because it's Java, I can't actually open the characters' show bios as it sits there with "content loading" indefinitely. Thus, I can't actually see what the character names are listed as. Currently, the parent and LOC articles have the main characters listed as:

• Billy Unger as Chase Davenport
• Spencer Boldman as Adam Davenport
• Kelli Berglund as Bree Davenport
• Tyrel Jackson Williams as Leo Dooley
• Hal Sparks as Donald Davenport

I am trying to figure out if those are what reliable sources actually said or if there's WP:INUNIVERSE information mixed in there that we shouldn't be including. Lab Rats: Elite Force won't help here as name sources used can change between series of the same type. For example, just because it's only "Chase" for Lab Rats: Elite Force doesn't necessarily mean sources didn't say "Chase Davenport" for Lab Rats.

The Futon Critic has them listed simply as follows: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/lab-rats/

• Billy Unger as Chase
• Spencer Boldman as Adam
• Kelli Berglund as Bree
• Tyrel Jackson Williams as Leo
• Hal Sparks as Davenport

Do you happen to remember what Disney ABC Press had, though, when the series was still airing? Did it support what the articles currently have listed? The Futon Critic and Disney ABC Press don't often match there as, for example, Disney ABC Press has last names for all the Raven's Home main characters, except Tess, while The Futon Critic only lists them with their first names, as seen here: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/ravens-home/

I mean, I guess if push comes to shove, we just go with the next best thing, what The Futon Critic has, but I want to see if what Disney ABC Press had can be figured out first.

Thanks in advance. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:21, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm going to crosspost this to the Lab Rats talk page as well since you're busy. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:50, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

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We generally prefer regular Zap2it since it doesn't have the issues that the affiliate version has, namely that the content is not always visible to everyone. See User talk:Geraldo Perez#Zap2it. As you might remember, regular Zap2it had the same issue before updating its website. As it is a reliable source, it doesn't mean we can't use it, of course, we would just only use it as an additional source if it has information regular Zap2it doesn't. Once regular Zap2it gets that new info, like the Disney Channel November premieres, we would remove it. So just curious as to why you changed it on The Bureau of Magical Things. I also noticed you said "fixed" in the edit summary, so maybe there was something wrong with it that I didn't notice? Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:26, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

@Amaury: The normal Zap2it link (or tvlistings.zap2it.com in general) doesn't work at all, at least for me and my friend. Chrome says "tvlistings.zap2it.com’s server IP address could not be found". If it works for you it's probably because of your DNS cache. nyuszika7h (talk) 14:30, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) That's strange. Have either of you tried different computers? And if it's tvlistings.zap2it.com in general, are the regular Zap2it links from other articles, like Henry Danger, not working for you guys, either? It's working fine for me. @Geraldo Perez, MPFitz1968, and IJBall: Is this link for the The Bureau of Magical Things or the site in general working for you guys? Nyu changed the URL here because regular Zap2it isn't working for him or his friend, assuming it was a global issue. Add: Just saw your edit. Have you tried the ipconfig/flushdns trick using the command prompt window? Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:38, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Both links work for me. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:41, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Hmm, according to this, tvlistings.zap2it.com is supposed to redirect to tvschedule.zap2it.com but it doesn't seem to be working for me. If they changed this recently then it might take 24–48 hours to propagate, but the strange thing is I'm not seeing any A, AAAA, or CNAME records on tvlistings.zap2it.com, and I've tried multiple DNS servers and also tried from a different computer. If I change the non-affiliate link manually from tvlistings to tvschedule, it seems to work for me. nyuszika7h (talk) 14:49, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Looks like the DNS has not been propagated to most regions outside the US yet. nyuszika7h (talk) 15:00, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

I've changed the link to the original one with tvschedule instead for now, but hopefully this will be resolved soon. (Also, by redirect I meant you still see tvlistings.zap2it.com in the address bar, but it's effectively pointed at tvschedule.zap2it.com with the CNAME record.) nyuszika7h (talk) 15:19, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't know if it's the case anymore with the updated site, but the only reason why I went with tvlistings over tvschedule is because for tvschedule, the tab name was just the URL, and I didn't like that. tvlistings actually had a proper tab name. For example, "Editing User talk:Nyuszika7H (section)" instead of "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nyuszika7H&action=edit&section=4." Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:48, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

tvlistings is just an alias for tvschedule now, and it seems like the tab does have a proper title. nyuszika7h (talk) 10:54, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

In that case, time for another mass update. Whee! Also, when I updated the dead Zap2it links after the site updated, I removed the "Episode Guide" part from the title parameter of the reference since there's no way to link directly to the episode guide. I'm wondering, though, if I should re-add that, despite that, or just leave it as the series name. Amaury (talk | contribs) 12:22, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

We could wait a few days to see if the DNS propagation is fixed, if not it might be time to start mass-replacing tvlistings with tvschedule... I could probably help do that with AWB. nyuszika7h (talk) 12:24, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@Amaury, Geraldo Perez, MPFitz1968, and IJBall: So I started replacing the links but in meantime I realized that links to specific episodes are broken. Should we change those to column references? It is still possible to link to them by changing the links to affiliate.zap2it.com and removing the ?aid=zap2it parameter if necessary. nyuszika7h (talk) 20:00, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

I always advocate column sources, unless it's a Futon Critic P.R. for a specific episode... So, yes. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:01, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

I think I've fixed all the show links now. I'll do a search later to find articles containing episode links and manually replace them with column references where possible. nyuszika7h (talk) 20:31, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

This may be useful – apparently you can still link to a specific season directly: https://tvschedule.zap2it.com/overview.html?tabName=guide&programSeriesId=SH01568336&season=6 (the order of the parameters doesn't matter). nyuszika7h (talk) 00:10, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

I've gone through and updated everything I'm watching (listed here) to use tvschedule as well as added the direct season links. Thanks for that. I've also finally updated the common articles page I have, which you can go through and update what you're watching/not watching, if you want to and when you have time. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:55, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

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List of Bella and the Bulldogs episodes

I know you're watching this as it's something you're interested in seeing. Rio Mangini, who portrays Ace, is now part of the main cast in the second season. However, I didn't pay too much attention to his absences, and he's definitely absent in more episodes than just tonight's. Although there don't appear to be reruns of the show airing, either on Nickelodeon or TeenNick, unless I'm missing something. On top of getting the guest stars and such when you get around to this, could you also pay attention to when he's absent in season two and note that? Thanks. Amaury (talk) 04:39, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

@Amaury: Sure, I'll try to remember to note that when I get there. nyuszika7h (talk) 11:39, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! By the way, want to archive that link on List of Kirby Buckets episodes, too, for the latest episode? Amaury (talk) 14:16, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Went through and added a bunch of guest stars as well as Rio's absences for season two. However, I was not able to get the guest star credits for the following episodes, so if you could take care of that, as I know you're still planning on watching this, that would be wonderful and appreciated!

• #5: Dancing in the End Zone - The episode stopped before the credits.  Done nyuszika7h (talk) 08:41, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
• #10: Incomplete Pass - The episode was missing on the site the episodes were on. (Unrelated, but there were also a bunch of episodes after Tornado Afraido that were all mixed up, being titled one episode, but actually being another.) As such, I also couldn't get the writer(s), and I removed the director as I couldn't confirm if that was correct.  Done nyuszika7h (talk) 08:59, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
• #13: Bulldog Buddies - Also missing, so I can't confirm the director and writer(s).  Done also confirmed directing and writing credits nyuszika7h (talk) 09:18, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
• #19: No Girl Allowed - The episode stopped before the credits.  Done nyuszika7h (talk) 10:58, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Please also double-check and make sure the absences or lack of are correct for season two, where Rio was promoted to a main character. Everything from #30 and onward, when I started keeping track of Rio's absences, should—keyword: should—be correct, but it never hurts to check. It's possible I may have missed including an absence, and because I just skimmed through the episodes, it's also possible I listed him as absent where he wasn't.

Thanks! Amaury (talk | contribs) 07:19, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

All done. I'll verify the absences when I actually get around to watching the show, like I said. nyuszika7h (talk) 10:58, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

@Amaury: Just letting you know I just started watching season 1, so I'll get to this soon. nyuszika7h (talk) 18:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Yay! Also, I'm pretty sure there's at least one episode with story and teleplay—the first one, if I recall. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:28, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: Nope, not the pilot episode, that's just "Part 1 Written By" and "Part 2 Written By". By the way, I still think we should insert a simple horizontal line (<hr />) in this case – like this – which would make it clearer than just a line break and not waste horizontal space. And just for consistency and to make it even clearer, do the same for the production code when there's two (otherwise I'd have no problem with dash separation for that). nyuszika7h (talk) 18:40, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't have any strong opinions on this either way, but I know that IJBall doesn't particularly like them, but also doesn't mind them (generally) if used under the right circumstances, if I recall. While I don't have strong opinions either way, personally, I don't think they're that necessary here because the current version looks perfectly fine. However, me using the HRs over on The Loud House's episode list was definitely useful and changing over to that layout significantly reduced the unappearling look/layout that we had with regard to excess "fatness," so to speak, and the like. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:26, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Horizontal rule use does makes sense when you have different writers and directors for "Part 1" vs. "Part 2" situation. Where I object to their use is in those cases where, say, a 30-minute show airs a 60-minute episode (i.e. as "one" episode) and the writers and directors for Parts 1 & 2 are the same so the use of 'hr' is unnecessary (e.g. an example of this can be see in the first "entry" at The Shannara Chronicles#Episodes, which in fact that should just be listed as "episode 1" with no 'hr' usage, and the other episodes should be renumbered to reflect that). Alex pointed out at WT:TV that doing "1–2"-type episode numbering creates problems with URL-linking to specific episodes like this, but I view that as a "template coding" problem – IOW, template coding should not be forcing editors to "edit" a certain way or forcing the use of certain formatting choices... In any case, I generally find that there is an overuse of 'horizontal rule' in episode tables in cases where there is basically no benefit (to the readership) to doing so... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:40, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: That's a good point, in which case, Nyuszika, if you feel using HRs is beneficial here, go for it!

Alex pointed out at WT:TV that doing "1–2"-type episode numbering creates problems with URL-linking to specific episodes like this, but I view that as a "template coding" problem. I actually did see that discussion. Heh. If there were inbound links, I don't think that would be a problem for cases like this and other similar cases like at List of K.C. Undercover episodes because it's not the episode numbering being done that way, it's the production code numbering, and we don't link to production numbers, as far as I know. Also, a question with regard to the rest of that statement: IOW, template coding should not be forcing editors to "edit" a certain way or forcing the use of certain formatting choices... While we were discussing the confusion that Disney Channel caused by creating their own version of a premiere special for Andi Mack (Talk:Andi Mack#"Tomorrow Starts Today"), which disagrees both with the producers' intent and how the producers sold to Amazon and iTunes, I made the following change since prior to that, I had that incorrectly listed as one episode because of that confusion: [1]. You then changed it a few hours later to what is seen in the current version. Nickelodeon did the same thing with Make It Pop's season two finale, where they combined the last two episodes into their version of a special. There I ended up making the change to list them as a single entry, but be counted as two episodes like they should be. I might make additional changes and use HRs based on your comments here as it would make sense like with Bella and the Bulldogs. My question is this: Rethinking it now, do you think we should go back to that again for Andi Mack? It doesn't have to be exactly like I had it, but something similar. We could instead use HRs for the numbering, titles, and production codes if that would also make sense there. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:13, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Well, using – shouldn't make it harder to link because #ep1–2 as a wikilink is automatically converted to the appropriate format. It's only if you try to enter it in the address bar directly. Horizontal lines used to pose more of a problem, but special code has been added for that to provide an anchor to just the first episode number in that case, so it's also possible to do that for the en dash to make it even simpler. Production code is rarely linked but it does have an anchor (e.g. #pc101) as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyuszika7H (talk • contribs) 11:40, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Have you been able to confirm absences yet? Either lack of or saying Ace was absent when he wasn't. Also, while I'm here, did you ever get a chance to go through The Loud House and determine who's actually recurring, etc.? And did you figure how to hide the "episodes" column from the "Television season ratings" template like we talked about for situations like The Loud House or The Adventures of Kid Danger, where episodes' segments aren't always aired together? Add: Since it is a general question that anyone could answer, on the hiding the "episodes" column, I can just ask the TV project that question. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:17, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

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