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AfC notification: Draft:Jack Mizzi has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Jack Mizzi. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 20:53, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Jack Mizzi has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Jack Mizzi. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 20:55, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So please do you suggest I convert the links to references. The idea of the links is to point to official sources of the tournaments in question. ATM622 (talk) 21:16, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It would be preferable to find independent sources, but in any case the external links need to be removed we just don't use them in the body of an article. Theroadislong (talk) 21:22, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Understood, thanks. ATM622 (talk) 21:24, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of interest?

Is Jack Mizzi a friend, family member, or associate of yours in any way? If so, you are required to disclose this. It isn't a problem to be an editor with a conflict of interest, but it does make it difficult to write in a neutral fashion as required by WP:NPOV policy if you are close to the subject. Draft:Jack Mizzi is definitely non-neutral, containing several instances of unsubstantiated puffery. The only venue we have for a person with a conflict of interest to edit an article is draft space, so it's good that you're developing the article there. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:35, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I just declared that I am a family member in my introduction. ATM622 (talk) 21:43, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I saw your note on the draft talk page just now. Consider adding the COI user box to User:ATM622. You can use this template: {{UserboxCOI|1=Jack Mizzi}}. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:56, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done ATM622 (talk) 07:52, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Jack Mizzi (November 9)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Theroadislong were:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

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Theroadislong (talk) 22:04, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Addressed all points. All external links removed. References to events add. Subjectivity removed. ATM622 (talk) 07:56, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Jack Mizzi (November 10)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Greenman was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

November 2022

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Draft:Jack Mizzi, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 22:05, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. ATM622 (talk) 07:19, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reverting. The result was brought about by a copy and paste from a backup of the entire page that I had made on the sandbox. Accept my apologies. ATM622 (talk) 08:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am in discussions with the reviewer where he kindly pointed out that his comment above suggesting WP:CHESS ought to have said WP:NCHESS. This is a big difference. I explained at length why WP:NCHESS does not automatically exclude the article. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Greenman#Draft%3AJack_Mizzi ATM622 (talk) 08:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of David Cilia Vincenti

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AfC notification: Draft:Jack Mizzi has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Jack Mizzi. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 19:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Links to draft articles

Please do not introduce links in actual articles to draft articles, as you did to Maltese Chess Championship. Since a draft is not yet ready for the main article space, it is not in shape for ordinary readers, and links from articles should not go to a draft. Such links are contrary to the Manual of Style. These links have been removed. Thank you. - Arjayay (talk) 11:23, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, removed the links completely. ATM622 (talk) 11:45, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Chess discussion

Hello. I started a discussion of your draft at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chess#Draft (not mine) would benefit from review. There seems to be a desire for coverage of Jack Mizzi from outside of Malta. If such coverage exists, then include it. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:01, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I added some external links. Perhaps I can also summarise here. The most important tournament was the European Small Nations (ESNA) championship. Organised by the European Chess Union, this tournament was so important that it was singled out for participation in the World Cycle Championships. I mentioned https://en.chessbase.com/post/lance-henderson-wins-european-small-nations-2022 (reference 49) which is a well respected German chess journal. More importantly I highlighted that the reason why Jack would become a Candidate Master is because of his performance of 5.5/9. This kicked in a special (rarely used) mechanism whereby he was awarded the title. I listed official FIDE regulations that specify this rule, citing different official sources.

The World Amateur tournament was important enough that the FIDE president attended personally to the event. https://chessmalta.com/dvorkovich-visits-malta/. Frankly I cannot understand how someone can decide to say that a tournament is not important without researching. I think however that this link is not necessary in the article because everyone within the chess community knows that the World Amateur Chess Tournament is a FIDE tournament. Perhaps not everyone knows that the FIDE president inaugurated it. In any case, this tournament was notable for Jack because this was the second criteria for him to obtain the candidate master title. The first and most important criteria was the 5.5/9 obtained in the European Small Nations. I explained at great length how this mechanism works. ATM622 (talk) 23:53, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I wish to refer to https://lb.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Berend. This is the Luxembourgean version of Wikipedia. What is the correct way to reference? ATM622 (talk) 20:25, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2 National Championships

Recently Mizzi has been awarded the Blitz National Champion title and the Rapid National Champion title. Note that these were the Malta National Championships and not Junior Championships. ATM622 (talk) 23:43, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Jack Mizzi has been accepted

Jack Mizzi, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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_Signed, Pichemist ^{( Contribs | Talk )} 19:20, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Mizzi moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Jack Mizzi, is not suitable as written to remain published. It appears there is a WP:UPE or WP:COI conflict. Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, and have addressed the UPE/COI issue, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. As per WP policy, please do not move into mainspace yourself. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:02, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This was approved according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ATM622#Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation%3A_Jack_Mizzi_has_been_accepted ATM622 (talk) 13:29, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pichemist approved it. Kindly restore. ATM622 (talk) 13:36, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There’s countless items in the article that are not cited with a secondary reliable source. Drafting was the right course of action. This article is nowhere near fit for main. MaxnaCarta (talk) 14:10, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@MaxnaCarta @Onel5969 please note that I left no uncited assertions. I gave a full explanation below but did not tag you. ATM622 (talk) 20:57, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please give examples? This article had been thoroughly reviewed. But of course keen to improve. ATM622 (talk) 14:13, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that the links in the introduction wereremoved. These have been restored. Kindly review. ATM622 (talk) 15:44, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, While you have followed protocol and declared your COI on your userpage, it's still missing citations for several assertions within the article. Please go through the article once more and make sure that every assertion is referenced. For example, if you say the person is a Candidate Master, please provide a reference for that, or if the team was promoted, that needs a reference as well.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:02, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I followed your advice and went through the article several times. I removed all assertions that I could not find references to and also attempted to Wikify more terms. Given that the announcement of the candidate master title was published on social media and in no other place, I removed the title from the article.I include the reference here but I understand this cannot be used within the article: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10160729410836052&id=514036051

Likewise I removed the reference to the promotion of the club despite it was referenced here:https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2501239563342268&id=218744084925172

Let me know whether this suffices please. ATM622 (talk) 15:08, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Article Tips

Is there any advice you have to give for writing an article to be approved on wikipedia? FinetGalls (talk) 06:08, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Jack Mizzi has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Jack Mizzi. Thanks! _Signed, Pichemist ^{( Contribs | Talk )} 15:22, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review. @Pichemist I updated all citations as requested and in one instance I removed the assertion because there was no reference. I have commented out the <citations needed> tags. Kindly take a look. ATM622 (talk) 21:25, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Jack Mizzi has been accepted

Jack Mizzi, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

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If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider leaving us some feedback.

Thanks again, and happy editing!

_Signed, Pichemist ^{( Contribs | Talk )} 08:24, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your review. Much appreciated. ATM622 (talk) 10:37, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations!

The edits you have made since the article was published are fine; however, I must caution you to avoid making any substantive changes to the article due to your conflict of interest. You can make minor corrections to spelling, grammar, names, dates, etc., you can add citations to reliable sources, you can revert obvious vandalism, but anything more substantive you should propose on the article's talk page. You can preface your proposal with the template {{request edit}}, which causes your proposal to be listed on a category page monitored by some editors. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:46, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. ATM622 (talk) 07:53, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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