User talk:165.214.68.119

April 2023

Hello, I'm Clyde H. Mapping. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Medical resident work hours—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 22:53, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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November 2023

Hello, I'm Felida97. I wanted to let you know that I removed one or more external links you added to the main body of American Board of Physician Specialties. Generally, any relevant external links should be listed in an "External links" section at the end of the article and meet the external links guidelines. Links within the body of an article should be internal Wikilinks. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Felida⁹⁷ (talk) 20:28, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please do not add or change content, as you did at American Board of Medical Specialties, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. (bojo)(they/them)(talk) 18:28, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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January 2024

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. MrOllie (talk) 19:58, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please stop your disruptive editing.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. MrOllie (talk) 20:12, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop removing this edit. You have not provided any evidence to prove that it is unnecessary and frankly are unqualified to deem what is relevant to readers of this specific page (physicians and would be physicians) that also aligns with Wikipedia's rules. 165.214.68.119 (talk) 20:14, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. This is a place to write prose encyclopedia articles, not to make collections of tabulated data. Edit warring about this from multiple IP addresses is disruptive. You must gather WP:CONSENSUS support for your proposed changes on the article's associated talk page. Edit warring and making personal attacks is not the way to do this. MrOllie (talk) 20:17, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not an indiscriminate list; it is in fact done with many hours of time put into and citation checking with careful judgement, evidence of which shows it is NOT indiscriminate. This list is again comparable to what one would find if you go to any other medical specialty website such as Internal medicine but this list is more informative and with direct links to more information should physicians or other medical personnel require it - again evidencing how useful it is, and that it is definitely NOT indiscriminate. This would not be edit warring, you are the ONLY person removing this edit. To say you are unqualified is not a personal attack - it is simply saying someone educated in a subject is qualified to discuss the topic whereas someone unqualified in the subject is NOT qualified to discuss it. 165.214.68.119 (talk) 20:26, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It takes many hours of careful work to compile the phone book, too, and phone listings are undoubtedly useful, but they are still off-mission for an encylopedia. If there are other examples (see WP:OTHERSTUFF) it is likely that those examples should be removed rather than more off-mission stuff should be added. I can just as well say you are the ONLY person adding this table, and that you are unqualified to understand what does and does not belong in an encyclopedia. MrOllie (talk) 20:36, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let us looks at the strict definition then: Encyclopedia: "a book or set of books giving information on many subjects or on many aspects of one subject and typically arranged alphabetically"

If you take a look at Britannica (encyclopedia) you will find many examples of lists, in fact, they have entire section for lists.

With this in mind the list we are "warring" over fits both into the category of what an encyclopedia can offer as well as what is offered in similar online encyclopedias, as such detracts from your arguments.

This would not be an edit war fi you would simply cease and desist removing this one edit, and yes I may be the only one adding the table that I in large part created, and that no one else is invested enough in it to "war" over it, except yourself. 165.214.68.119 (talk) 20:43, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"This wouldn't be an edit war if you just let me have my way" is not a convincing argument. The WP:ONUS is on you to get consensus support for your additions. MrOllie (talk) 20:49, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have not provided sufficient argument to justify removing it. The same is true for you - "This wouldn't be an edit war if you just let me have my way" as such is also not a convincing or valid argument against keeping the edit. 165.214.68.119 (talk) 20:51, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW: I, too, see the list as beyond the scope of Wikipedia for an article on "Family Medicine". (1) The organizations listed are all American. (2) The list is indiscriminate in this context; for instance "Aerospace Medicine" is not part of "Family Medicine". Definitions of what an encyclopedia is are fine, in general; but the only thing that defines what Wikipedia is is the body of guidelines, policies and traditions. _signed,Willondon (talk) 20:55, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. The list is within the United States section on Family Medicine making it relevant to that specific section.

2. If it is a fellowship or certificate after attaining Family Medicine certification then it is within the scope of Family Medicine (as shown in the table) and as such would be within the scope of an article regarding Family Medicine. Therefore, it is NOT indiscriminate. 165.214.68.119 (talk) 20:58, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So convince somebody - at the article's talk page. Until then it should stay out, that is Wikipedia's basic process. MrOllie (talk) 20:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How many people need to agree? This is my first time doing this on Wikipedia. 165.214.68.119 (talk) 21:04, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:CONSENSUS. It's not a vote, exactly, but more than who disagree is a good start. MrOllie (talk) 21:05, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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