User talk:109.228.176.49

April 2022

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Cambial — foliar❧ 19:50, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 2023

Hello, I'm Chiswick Chap. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Translation of The Lord of the Rings into Swedish, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:52, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, just to explain, it's not sufficient to consult a dictionary and to choose a meaning that appears there: the overall translation has to make sense. Many words in languages including Swedish have multiple meanings, depending on the context. We need to base what we do on knowledge not just of the words but of Tolkien's Middle-earth, and we need to rely not on our own ideas but on what scholars have written. If you want to discuss this here, or on the article's talk page, feel free. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:55, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Translation of The Lord of the Rings into Swedish. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:36, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

One of us certainly is being disruptive. Check the Talk page of the page you keep reverting. 109.228.176.49 (talk) 11:38, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please stop your disruptive editing.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Translation of The Lord of the Rings into Swedish, you may be blocked from editing. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:41, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Translation of The Lord of the Rings into Swedish

There were no references to the text I was altering, so I chose not to leave any of my own. As a native speaker of Swedish, I am able to use, read and interpret the official Swedish Academy Word List website[[[1]]]. 109.228.176.49 (talk) 11:36, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I find it curious that you should suppose that the One Ring was there to "aid" the other Rings of Power. That is obviously wrong; and the fact that "aid" is a valid meaning of the word in question just shows that using a word-list is not a sufficient approach. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:38, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am not supposing that the One Ring was there for that purpose, I am supposing that the Swedish translator chose the word "främja"[[[2]]], which means "support"/"aid"[[[3]]]. 109.228.176.49 (talk) 11:46, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Are you missing the fact that the translation in question is in the "literal" column? 109.228.176.49 (talk) 11:52, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've no idea what a "literal" translation is really, and nor I think does anybody else (it certainly doesn't mean letter-by-letter translation, which is impossible). The only thing we can rely on is the work of scholars (or of Tolkien himself), so we'll have to remove the uncited materials. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:18, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The idea on this page seems to be to translate word-for-word, or as close as possible. Which wrecks idioms, and is open to interpretation. E.g. "bytte", could be "switched", as proposed in the original translation, but in the context of "smör"/"butter" probably refers to a tray or a trough of butter. 109.228.176.49 (talk) 12:35, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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