User talk:109.107.224.204
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December 2024
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Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit(s) you made to Ghoul, did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use the sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. The putative connection to the Mesopotamian gallu is sourced to a scholar who has written several papers on the Arabic ghoul. This content was removed twice despite this. If you believe the content is superceded by other reliable sources or you believe its inclusion is WP:UNDUE, please raise your concerns in a new topic on the talk page and ping me. We can then attempt to find consensus (including agreeing to remove the text if necessary). Lewisguile (talk) 17:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- He is not a researcher basically, the man you cited is basically not famous and his specialty is in the field of communications and there are many things that are clearly wrong in his article such as his claim that the word harem is from Mesopotamia and this shows that he is completely useless and does not think logically, because there is no connection between them, first of all the pronunciation is different, secondly the word harem in Arabic is the plural of the word and this makes the connection between them impossible, and the same thing with ghoul, the name in Mesopotamia is gallas and it is different from the Arabic ghoul in pronunciation and meaning especially since the English translation of Akkadian is almost correct but the English translation of the Arabic ghoul is very wrong in pronunciation because there is no letter (غ) in the English language and its speakers cannot pronounce it, so do not consider what you say and this man as a source because he has never read a cuneiform tablet in his life and I am not a specialist in this ,Also, the text that was talking about this matter before on the page you are talking about was denying the relationship between them. You are doing the opposite based on the words of a person who is not knowledgeable and not a scholar as you say or a person who has knowledge of the language or history. 37.220.114.74 (talk) 13:27, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for this. Do you have some sources to help back this up? The source in question has been published by reputable venues, so it would be helpful if you had some sources that contradict him. The source in question was originally presented to say Gallu was an influence on ghoul. But then another IP account changed that to say it wasn't connected without any clear sources to support that (but adding something about the word meaning "policeman" in Sumerian). I changed it back for that reason (material should be sourced), but expanded it to include attribution for the statement, so that it wasn't presented as objected fact. If we say "so-and-so says this", then it indicates it's an opinion, and isn't in WP:WIKIVOICE. Anyway, if you have some good sources here, I'm happy to look at them. Lewisguile (talk) 21:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sources that support what exactly? Because what I said about him is that his specialty is communications and not history and languages, and you can search for this or his claim regarding the word harem if you do not speak Arabic, then the problem is on you to know the differences between it and other languages, and I am sure that you do not read about Sumerian and Akkadian as well. I will repeat that what you say about the source is just a normal article by someone on the internet whose specialty is not history or languages at all, and you pretended to be a scholar and mentioned this in the article?!! This is completely wrong, just speculation from an uninformed person that should not be taken into account. Let's not forget that you claimed that this matter was present in the article, but you distorted it because what was present was the denial of the relationship between the two things. What is most funny is the word harem, which is basically a plural, so how did he make it Akkadian? No one knows. Sources must be provided from reliable places and specialized and well-known people, not any article on the internet that we put on Wikipedia. 37.220.114.74 (talk) 22:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Please assume good faith. You have not provided any sources which contradict the claim that Gallu is a possible influence for ghoul. That's what I'm asking for. Lewisguile (talk) 22:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- After all the arguments you have presented?? Why don't you provide a source from someone who has a relationship with history and language, not a random person who wrote a fight on the internet, it is better than your evasion 37.220.114.74 (talk) 22:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's not how it works, I'm afraid. My claims are sourced and yours aren't. We go with what the sources say. Lewisguile (talk) 07:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- No, you do not provide sources. You provide an article on the internet from a random person who is not in his specialty and you say about him that he is a scholar literally. You are lying and evading so as not to admit your mistake. And after all this, you are asking me for sources for something that does not exist at all?!?!?!?
- Or sources, why exactly did I ask you before? Why do you not answer and just evade?? I also provided many arguments unlike you, and I repeat, provide me with sources that confirm your claim of information like this from a well-known person or scholar or someone related to history or languages. This is what needs a source, not what you are asking for 37.220.114.74 (talk) 09:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Please remember our policies on civility. The source in the article is the source for my info. I've simply asked for sources to verify your claims, which should be relatively easy to find if you're correct. If there aren't any sources you can find, or you don't want to find them, then we're at an impasse and we should probably let the discussion die. I would be more than happy to remove any text that is contradicted by reliable sources; otherwise, we will have to leave it where it currently is. Lewisguile (talk) 12:10, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- What you are doing now is evasion, answer me, what is the source of what exactly? I have given you many arguments, but you are literally ignorant, and secondly, your alleged source is not reliable, and Wikipedia requires reliable sources, so on what argument do you do this??
- A person who has nothing to do with history or languages wrote an article on the internet and you made him a reliable source?? And you even made the person a scholar???? 37.220.114.74 (talk) 12:54, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Please remember our policies on civility. The source in the article is the source for my info. I've simply asked for sources to verify your claims, which should be relatively easy to find if you're correct. If there aren't any sources you can find, or you don't want to find them, then we're at an impasse and we should probably let the discussion die. I would be more than happy to remove any text that is contradicted by reliable sources; otherwise, we will have to leave it where it currently is. Lewisguile (talk) 12:10, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's not how it works, I'm afraid. My claims are sourced and yours aren't. We go with what the sources say. Lewisguile (talk) 07:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- After all the arguments you have presented?? Why don't you provide a source from someone who has a relationship with history and language, not a random person who wrote a fight on the internet, it is better than your evasion 37.220.114.74 (talk) 22:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Please assume good faith. You have not provided any sources which contradict the claim that Gallu is a possible influence for ghoul. That's what I'm asking for. Lewisguile (talk) 22:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sources that support what exactly? Because what I said about him is that his specialty is communications and not history and languages, and you can search for this or his claim regarding the word harem if you do not speak Arabic, then the problem is on you to know the differences between it and other languages, and I am sure that you do not read about Sumerian and Akkadian as well. I will repeat that what you say about the source is just a normal article by someone on the internet whose specialty is not history or languages at all, and you pretended to be a scholar and mentioned this in the article?!! This is completely wrong, just speculation from an uninformed person that should not be taken into account. Let's not forget that you claimed that this matter was present in the article, but you distorted it because what was present was the denial of the relationship between the two things. What is most funny is the word harem, which is basically a plural, so how did he make it Akkadian? No one knows. Sources must be provided from reliable places and specialized and well-known people, not any article on the internet that we put on Wikipedia. 37.220.114.74 (talk) 22:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for this. Do you have some sources to help back this up? The source in question has been published by reputable venues, so it would be helpful if you had some sources that contradict him. The source in question was originally presented to say Gallu was an influence on ghoul. But then another IP account changed that to say it wasn't connected without any clear sources to support that (but adding something about the word meaning "policeman" in Sumerian). I changed it back for that reason (material should be sourced), but expanded it to include attribution for the statement, so that it wasn't presented as objected fact. If we say "so-and-so says this", then it indicates it's an opinion, and isn't in WP:WIKIVOICE. Anyway, if you have some good sources here, I'm happy to look at them. Lewisguile (talk) 21:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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