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Badge and barnstar for You!

February third place: Women in Africa: WiR Women in Africa contest, 2021

	Women in Red Women in Africa contest
	4 articles Ipigott Third Place February 2021 Congratulations!

• WomenArtistUpdates: Thanks very much for your remarkable efficiency but third place with only four articles is really not good enough. We'll have to try to encourage increased participation in March. African women deserve wider recognition.--Ipigott (talk) 08:43, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm pinging all the people who signed up as participants to say we've created over 100 articles and there's just one month left. Any other ideas? Dsp13 (talk) 14:21, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Dsp13: Maybe messages to pertinent wikiprojects. If I have time, I'll contact them tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 15:57, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

That would be great. I pinged WP:WikiProject Wiki Loves Women, but couldn't think of any others. Dsp13 (talk) 16:31, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Dsp13: I was kept busy with all kinds of stuff yesterday but I've now managed to alert the most active wikiprojects on Africa: Africa, South Africa, Nigeria, AfroCine, Egypt, Kenya, Uganda, Zimbabwe, Morocco, Tunisia and Ethiopia. When we had the World Contest a few years ago, members of these projects were very keen to participate as they could win real prizes. Let's see if we have any luck with virtual recognition.--Ipigott (talk) 12:28, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Cathy Heffernan has been accepted

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Robert McClenon (talk) 22:30, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

• Robert McClenon: Thanks for following up on my recommendation on the Women in Red talk page but I think this notification should have been sent to Esamiarum.--Ipigott (talk) 07:15, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

copied. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:22, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Susan B. Anthony II

On 8 March 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Susan B. Anthony II, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Susan B. Anthony took British citizenship to avoid testifying before the House Un-American Activities Committee and later spent nine years trying to repatriate? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Susan B. Anthony II. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Susan B. Anthony II), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Notability question

Hi Ian, hope all is well. Can you help me out on determining the notability of Lars Gyllenhaal-- It's been tagged for notability for a while but I cannot tell what the non-english sourcing looks like. No worries if not. Best, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 19:08, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Eddie891: I've looked at the Swedish sourcing but there's not much there that would be acceptable for a BLP on the EN wiki. I tried to find more in Swedish on his Pitebo award but there was very little. For BLPs in English, we need at least three good secondary sources. I see Swedes at War has been published in English but can't find any reviews.--Ipigott (talk) 08:04, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look, I've nominated it for deletion. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 14:06, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

If you have time

Finally, took way longer than I expected or wanted it to, I have finished completely rewriting the United States nationality law article. If you have the time and inclination, could you give it a once-over? If not, no worries. SusunW (talk) 21:01, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, Wow this is impressive work. I intend to take a look also. I notice that this article: Puerto Rican citizenship has a section on nationality. Women are not mentioned in that article. TJMSmith (talk) 22:44, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks TJMSmith. (I think I used US throughout except with the case citations, which are usually given as U.S.) Please feel free to add/delete anything you think is needed. I moved a bunch of material about citizenship, but not nationality to the talk page. I haven't done the territories yet, but am probably heading there next. SusunW (talk) 23:30, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

• SusunW: Congratulations on producing an informative yet readable article on this complex topic. You have put together a much more comprehensive account of the development of nationality than can be found in articles such as Citizenship of the United States, Birthright citizenship in the United States, etc., and begin with the important distinction between nationality and citizenship. There wasn't much need of copy editing but I think I've nevertheless been able to make a few improvements. As a result of TJMSmith's multiple edits changing US to U.S., I've changed all the remaining ones although I'm not at all sure that U.S. is an improvement, especially with qualifiers such as US-born women or US-citizen wives. I remember the many years when it was usual to write UK rather than U.K. side by side with U.S. rather than US. The Manual of style allows either while way back in 2004 all the related categories were changed from US to U.C. So I think the final choice is yours.

Please let me know if I can help with any of the other articles on nationality you are developing.--Ipigott (talk) 12:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much Ipigott. When I started it had a bunch of information in it about citizenship, duplicating information in the other articles. I moved that all to the talk page, but the main editor on the citizenship article cannot understand the difference in the two concepts, so I just tried to remain focused solely on nationality. I wanted to make sure that it was understandable and I appreciate your eyes on it. I think I have a better grasp now on the territories, so shall resume there. Most of South America is done. Still trying to find sources on Uruguay and Paraguay but it's slow going. Anyway, I'll try to go to the Spanish, Dutch, and Danish Caribbean and finish those out. I understand the context of Spanish and Dutch now, but Danish will be a whole new adventure. I bought a book on British nationality, but am just not ready to start the British Caribbean yet. SusunW (talk) 13:59, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

SusunW: Yes, I see from the talk page that there has indeed been confusion between citizenship and nationality. In addition to your short explanation of the difference between the two under Constitutional foundation, I think it might be useful to devote further attention to describing the emergence of the term. You already have some useful sources but you could perhaps draw on the Britannica article on nationality and the Jstor link to Knowles' What is nationality?. Unfortunately the Wikipedia article on Nationality is not too clear and that on Nationality law (= Citizenship law!) is poorly sourced and only mentions women under Jus matrimonii. Hope I'm not over-burdening you.--Ipigott (talk) 16:23, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

I guess at some point I will have to address the overall problem of confusion of the two concepts in the main article on Nationality. I'll do it, if someone else doesn't take it up first, but I'd really like to get the whole "women question" covered first. It is very clear to me that the problem is one of context over time. The the whole idea of "birthright citizenship", as opposed to "subjects owing allegiance" to a sovereign emerged in the 18th century from a 17th century English law concept[1] and nations, as we know them emerged from empires, which began referring to nationality in the 19th century.[2] In the US, the term nationality wasn't clearly defined until 1940,[3] and the US legal code often uses the words as synonyms, though recognizing that they are not. Based on that, it seems quite logical that the concept of nationality is fuzzy for many people. SusunW (talk) 16:55, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

It's been nagging at me, so this morning, I worked on the Nationality law article. Haven't yet tackled the generic one. Back to Puerto Rico... SusunW (talk) 15:49, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

SusunW: Looks far better!--Ipigott (talk) 15:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Okay, so now I have a dilemma. I'd like you and @TJMSmith and Gog the Mild: to weigh in. How do I deal with the territories of the US? I think it is critical to research them, as clearly their trajectory of nationality and its impact on women was different than in the US, if Puerto Rico is representative. I could add the material to Puerto Rican citizenship, but then I think it muddies the already confusing conflation of citizenship and nationality there. I could add each to the main article United States nationality law, but then I think it becomes overly long. I could do a Fooian nationality law for each of them, but they are not technically nations, so is History of Fooian nationality a better title with links to the main US article? I'd truly appreciate y'all's opinion. I'm undecided as to what is the best solution. SusunW (talk) 17:35, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, I wonder if it makes sense to restructure/rename the existing PR citizenship article to "History of Puerto Rican nationality and citizenship" similar to the article on Haiti. Citizenship and nationality are 2 separate topics, but I'm not sure if, in this instance, it benefits readers to have two standalone articles (i.e. Puerto Rican nationality and Puerto Rican citizenship). I think that could lead people to inadvertently add duplicative info to each article. It seems particularly confusing because currently, Puerto Ricans have both US and PR citizenship. I guess the scope of this article would be on the "History of nationality and citizenship in Puerto Rico" but that is quite the mouthful... On a separate note, I believe the existing section U.S. outlying territorial history suffices in the main U.S. article. TJMSmith (talk) 19:17, 17 March 2021 (UTC) Further thoughts after reading the existing PR citizenship article in further detail. My vision of article an on the history of Puerto Rican nationality and citizenship is broader in scope than the current one. It incorporates the dynamic history of nationality in PR (i.e. Spanish colony, stateless) to the present day status where residents are US nationals and dual US/PR citizens. A more accurate name might be, the "History of nationality and citizenship in Puerto Rico" but that isn't succinct. TJMSmith (talk) 19:41, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

TJMSmith, thanks! Technically, all US nationals have dual "citizenship" — federal rights and responsibilities and state/territorial ones. It is why voting rights differ among the states, women's rights differ among the states, etc. I can't figure out why it is more confusing with regard to Puerto Rico, except that their national "citizenship" is a legislative, rather than a constitutional construct. Perhaps renaming and reworking the current article is the best solution. I'll wait until the others weigh in. SusunW (talk) 19:46, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, What TJMS said; clever thinking. And I like "History of nationality and citizenship in Puerto Rico". It's no worse than, say, Female Red Guards of the Finnish Civil War. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:06, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

It seems to me that whether or not you extend articles such as Puerto Rican citizenship, you first need to add sections to United States nationality law, summarizing its application to Puerto Rico and to each of the overseas territories.--Ipigott (talk) 09:07, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ipigott, TJMSmith, and Gog the Mild:, thank you all for your thoughts. As the article on Haiti, is styled "History of Haitian nationality and citizenship" perhaps that would be keeping in line with an existent scheme? I must say it makes me very nervous to edit an article on a controversial subject, but I shall try and see what happens. SusunW (talk) 15:35, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, That's what I was wondering, but I could see that possibly confusing readers. For example, I could see someone wondering if the "History of PR nationality/citizenship" article encompasses both PR citizenship and the US citizenship of Puerto Ricans? That's why I thought maybe tweaking the title to "in Puerto Rico." Perhaps I am splitting hairs. Either way is likely fine. TJMSmith (talk) 15:43, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, nice title; punchy. But, I am swayed by TJMS's point. "controversial subject" - avance, mon ami. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:44, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ipigott, TJMSmith, and Gog the Mild: I just opted to omit the "history of" entirely. Worn out, that was a lot of work sifting through the OR that was there. Feel free to make any changes, corrections or revisions you want. I am off in search of a relaxing glass of wine. SusunW (talk) 23:15, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Okay, so I am following a similar format for USVI, but I really need your help Ian. My one sentence of Danish, is entirely insufficient and inapplicable to the topic. It would appear that some Danish laws applied to the Danish West Indies and some did not. How do I figure that out? Also I have no idea about some translations. They are marked "ask Ian"... here SusunW (talk) 17:30, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

SusunW: I see what you mean. I think I'll have time to look at this in more detail tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 17:37, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Perfect! Thank you so much! SusunW (talk) 17:45, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

SusunW: Apart from a bit of background on Renteskiverkontor, I'm afraid I haven't been able to help very much. I've searched unsuccessfully for relevant Danish sources. The only thing which might be of interest is Mellem slave og borger. Stat, rettigheder og etniske forskelle i det danske imperium, 1814-48, together with some of the sources mentioned. It is however weak on the nationality of women. Please let me know if you come across Danish texts which might throw more light on the matter.--Ipigott (talk) 11:19, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Ian. I'll let you know if I find anything. I'm going to put in a note, that though repeated sources say all Danish laws applied, others show specific ones didn't. It occurs to me that clarifications will possibly help with Greenland's status as well because it too was a possession. I'll keep plugging away. Right now I am also trying to track that legal case. It clearly points out omissions and codification problems in the various statutes for USVI. SusunW (talk) 15:36, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

SusunW: In connection with the Scandinavian countries, I think you'll find some useful background Citizenship in the Nordic Countries, if you haven't already seen it.--Ipigott (talk) 16:06, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Yay! I shall add that to the European section. Haven't really even started on anywhere there except as it relates to their colonies. When I make it out of the Americas, I shall start Europe. But wanted to get a firm understanding of the problem before I had to grapple with the multitudinous languages involved. I think I have a fairly decent understanding of the Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, French, and US mindsets now. Should, in theory, make it a bit easier. I was happy to have read earlier that the Nordic countries tried to make their laws somewhat uniform, as that I think will make it easier to understand this complex topic. SusunW (talk) 16:22, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm loving Mellem slave og borger. Pedersen has a beautiful way with words, i.e. having citizenship represented a change from just having membership in a place, "to membership in a state and a community of values". Exactly. SusunW (talk) 19:02, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

And it doesn't really matter if women lost their status in Denmark in 1889, as women in the DWI lost it in 1831 per Pederson. Great find! Thank you so much. SusunW (talk) 22:42, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

If you or TJMSmith are interested in working your magic, I've finished United States Virgin Islander citizenship and nationality. SusunW (talk) 17:40, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I had a go at adding images. I tried to only put ones that were specifically discussed. Perhaps the least relevant is the 1754 St. Croix map (feel free to remove that or any of the other ones). I didn't find many options for pre-1800 images of the islands. I wish there were a PD image of Edith L. Williams. I suppose her longevity decreases the odds that there is a freely licensed image. I wonder if any of the other suffragists or the St. Thomas Teachers Association should be redlinks. I commend your solid work once again. TJMSmith (talk) 23:17, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks TJMSmith. I truly appreciate your help. I looked for other photos of Williams when I wrote her article. Also hoped someone might take a photo of the statue of her, but no luck for me. I definitely think the other suffragists and the teacher's association should have articles. Whether sources can be found remains a mystery. SusunW (talk) 23:23, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, I just messaged the French Heritage Museum about their image: [4]. TJMSmith (talk) 00:17, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Very cool! Thanks TJ, fingers crossed. SusunW (talk) 05:45, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

• SusunW: in the note you say: "... the Danish National Archives indicates neither the Constitution of 1849 nor the Penal Code Revision of 1866 were extended to the colonies." I think perhaps you mean "There is no indication in the DNA that the Constitution of 1849 and the Penal Code Revision of 1866 were extended to the colonies."--Ipigott (talk) 13:18, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I shall change it. Thank you so much Ipigott! I do rely on you and so appreciate your time to help with these. They are very difficult to research and write. SusunW (talk) 13:43, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

• SusunW: Despite all the difficulties, you're doing a great job with all of these. I don't think such detailed coverage can be found anywhere else. You've managed to make a tremendous contribution to our understanding of nationality in general and of its all important implications for women.--Ipigott (talk) 16:40, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I am moved beyond words, Ian. Your appreciation and help with this task means more than I could ever say. SusunW (talk) 16:47, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Amira Charfeddine

Thank you for your vote of support on the AfD for Amira Charfeddine. I'm working on creating new pages for female Tunisian authors, and learning a lot about the finer points of Wikipedia editing (and bureaucracy!) that I did not know before, and it's a bit daunting. Btw, I officially joined the Women in Red, so hopefully the articles I'm creating this month will count toward the WiR Africa goals. (I was poking around your talk page a bit and am in awe of the amount that you've contributed!) best, Karen McNeil (talk) 03:47, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

• Karen McNeil: I hope others will come in and support it too. Now that I've added the WIR 2021 template to the article's talk page, it should soon be displayed on our main page. I looked quickly for articles in the French Tunisian press as additional sources but could not find anything -- but I see there's also an active politician with the same name. You are certainly very welcome to participate in our Africa contest this month with the articles you have created. Alia Tabaï and Amira_Charfeddine already qualify but the running text in the others is still too short.--Ipigott (talk) 11:32, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

• (talk page watcher)@Karen McNeil: I've added info about the prize to the page at Ali Douagi and created redirect Ali Douagi Prize - but is there an article on the prize in Arabic Wikipedia, or can you find enough about the prize to create an article on it? I've also created the surname page Charfeddine. PamD 17:09, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

• @PamD:Thank you! That's a great idea. There's not an Arabic page, but I think what I should probably do is add a page for the Derja Association, which is the pro-vernacular group that issues the literature prizes (Ali Douagi is the top prize and there are two more). The group was founded in 2016, so the length of prize recipients isn't too long—it can always be split off later. Do you all think that sounds like a good idea? And, technical question: if I do that, should I do the links in the article like "she won the [Ali Douagi Prize|Derja Association]", or should I link them to the prize name (that doesn't exist) and do a redirect? Karen McNeil (talk) 17:22, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Ah, have I linked to the wrong "Ali Douagi Prize"? Ooops, if so. If that's the case, then please amend the text I've added at Ali Douagi to say that there is also the Ali Douagi Prize awarded by the Derja Association for a work in Tunisian Arabic (or whatever the fact is), and link as appropriate. I know nothing about Arabic literature and don't read a word of Arabic, so am out of my depth (though can read French up to a point). PamD 17:26, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

• @Ipigott:: Yes, she does have the same name as a female parliament member so that makes the research a bit difficult. But I'll keep looking. And I'll work on fleshing out the other women's articles a bit more.

@PamD:: No problem, I'll change that. The Derja Association awards a prize that's named after a guy name Ali Douagi. :-) Karen McNeil (talk) 17:30, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

But is that the same prize as is mentioned in the Tunis book fair page sources I've added to Ali Douagi? PamD 17:32, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Actually, I think they're two different prizes (I didn't know about the Book Fair one). I added a sentence to Ali Douagi's page noting the second prize in his name. (And, yikes, Ali Douagi's page needs work too. He's a very important Tunisian writer. I'll need to move cleaning up his page and adding more sources to his page up in my priority list too!) Karen McNeil (talk) 18:05, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

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Mary Wollstonecraft Award 2021

		Mary Wollstonecraft Award 2021
		On behalf of WP:WPWW, with appreciation for the women writer biographies you created during first quarter 2021. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:19, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Very observant of you, Rosie. Much appreciated.--Ipigott (talk) 20:23, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

"Maud Mortimer" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Maud Mortimer. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 4#Maud Mortimer until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 13:51, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Chicdat for bringing this to my attention. The initial problem was certainly a accident of cut and paste. Glad to see it's been sorted out. It's good to know these things are being carefully monitored.--Ipigott (talk) 06:40, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I thought at first you were a vandal - but then I realized that you were a user with 160,000 edits and a wonderful member of WikiProject Women. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:04, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Another page

Hi again, do you know where Margarita Nikolayeva was supposed to redirect to? 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:16, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Chicdat: Thanks. It now redirects to Margarita Nikolaeva.--Ipigott (talk) 10:22, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing the redirect. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:23, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you ...

... for what you said for Yoninah! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Klavdiya Kalugina for deletion

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Sandra B. Haynie

What were you trying to do here? The only notable Sandra Haynie I've been able to find is the golfer, and her middle name is Jane. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 17:41, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that one, R'n'B, it was obviously supposed to redirect to Sandra Haynie. I've now corrected it. I've been doing dozens of these over the past few days in connection with Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Dictionary of Women Worldwide and this one was obviously a case of a mistaken case of copy and paste.--Ipigott (talk) 20:01, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Nine years!

DYK that I just studied a 2015 archive of your talk, and linked on mine? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

What an amazing memory (or excellent filing system) you have, Gerda. One of these days, I should get back to improving articles on some of the other Danish composers but all my time now seems to be taken up with general support of articles about women. Let's see how things progress. I have really enjoyed reading all your recent articles about women opera singers. I've been covering some of the less known Danish ones this month.--Ipigott (talk) 09:23, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Filing system, my memory is bad, just for silly discussions it's good ;) - Joseph (opera) in 2015, for example. - Your general work for women's bios is just wonderful, and I sort of do the same with my "daily little article", - often women (one born in Denmark), many in collaboration, and themes this year psalms (in memory of Yoninah) and gardens, thinking of people with whom I like to share strolling there. Today Monet's - an expansion. I thought of my parents for Schlosspark, Brühl. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Three memories related to women on the Main page today, Psalm 115 thinking of Yoninah, Christa Ludwig and Milva, - voices that made the Earth a better place. Sad that the psalm hook didn't appear on Earth Day as planned, but better pictured and late than going unnoticed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:01, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt One of my grandmother's favorite Psalms. She would use it often in prayer to her God. I respect and love her more today than ever. She passed three years ago but I never will disrespect her belief's. She saved my life and helped me turn things I thought were curses into gifts. I hear her still praying, "Not for us, Elohim, not for us but to bring glory to Your name, Adonai, for Your mercy and for Your truth..." Her own personal rendition.

I miss her very much. As a child I hated that she made us read the Torah, in Hebrew and Yiddish no less, but now I am so grateful for the memories she made with us. Even though I do not observe her religious beliefs entirely, I do small things to honor her and keep a little tradition alive. --ARoseWolf 14:34, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

• I very much understand and sympathize with your feelings about the psalms, Tsistunagiska. I know most of them almost word for word as at my school we sang a different psalm every morning in chapel. Whether or not you share their religious significance, they provide useful guidance for our everyday life and, not surprisingly, have inspired many composers to create wonderful music which Gerda has been revealing to us in vivid detail. Your grandmother has certainly been successful in helping you forward in your aspirations. What a wonderful heritage for you and your family!!--Ipigott (talk) 18:18, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

I love Italian opera and classical. One of my favorite Baroque composers is Antonio Vivaldi. Then there is Domenico Donizetti, Gioachino Rossini, Arcangelo Corelli, Luigi Cherubini and so many more. I could go on and on. These composers were some of my first loves as a young girl in the Italian countryside. As far as more modern singers go, I love listening to Andrea Bocelli when he sings the classics. The personal connections my affluent family near Florence had with him afforded me the opportunity to hear him sing in more personal settings but I have also been to numerous public concerts of his, even in the US after we came here. --ARoseWolf 18:50, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

My Niccolò, how can I forget Paganini? There are so many...--ARoseWolf 18:56, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska: I too love Italian opera and remember how you spent your early years in the Piedmonti district where you could certainly enjoy it. As for Bocelli, that brings me to another episode in my career where I devoted particular attention to projects in support of those who were no longer able to use their sight. I hope and believe we were able to support their cultural interests.--Ipigott (talk) 19:11, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Ah, you remember!! Yes, my grandparents house was just on the next curve down the hillside from our house. Because of the way the road wound down the hill I only had to walk down a straight path a few dozens of meters to get to their home. I still remember my Papa bringing his old records to my grandparents and we would all be outside, as they swapped their various records, dancing in front of their house. Precious memories. On the next curve was the bridge over the river and that was town. We often saw carts pulled by great big chianina all through our valley and the hillsides. They were about the only thing that could pull the huge carts full of all the things needed. Some of those curves were too steep and too narrow for the trucks to get through so the people did as they had always done. Down in the valley not far from where we lived there were warehouses to store the things and trucks would pick them up and ship them to France or other parts of Italy from there. I just remember how big the oxen were to a small girl. No one in town called me by my first name because it was not Italian enough for the older men so they called me by my middle name usually, Genevieve, which oddly enough is not Italian at all, it's French, but I guess it was closer than Asareel, which is Hebrew, so they went with it. (lol) --ARoseWolf 19:42, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

thank you for that vivid background! - today: Charmes recorded ;) - one hook, 3 women --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:19, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Irina Evdokimova

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Xx236 Thanks for spotting this. Mistaken redirect. Now fixed.--Ipigott (talk) 09:10, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Portuguese?

I'm about done with the Americas, still working on Chile, Uruguay and Paraguay where I need boots on the ground. I have a dear friend here who works at the Supreme Court of Yucatán and he is trying to find people in his network to help. He has secured a researcher for Chile. My issue is that both Uruguay and Paraguay sources say it was an "official position" that women didn't lose nationality. That makes me think that someone, probably a court official issued such a statement or that there were cases litigated. As for Chile, I find it impossible to believe that it is the only country which never deprived women of nationality. Anyway, in the meantime, I'm starting Oceania and am in East Timor, i.e. Portuguese history. I just want to be sure that I typed this quote correctly and translated it properly. "Titulo II: De como se adquire a qualidade de cidadão portuguez, Artigo 18° 6.° A mulher estrangeiros naturalisados, que casa com cidadão portuguez; Titulo III: De como se perde a qualidade de cidadão portuguez, Artigo 22° 4.° A mulher portugueza que casa com estrangeiro, salvo se não for, por esse facto, naturalisada pela lei do paiz de seu marido." (pages 6&7) Foreign women gained nationality upon marriage and Portuguese women lost it upon marriage to a foreigner unless his country did not grant her nationality. Am I right? SusunW (talk) 21:50, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

• SusunW: Yes, that's correct. I see from your section on East Timor that it's been through a very interesting history. Is there anything in particular you would like me to look at in connection with Chile?--Ipigott (talk) 06:17, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Given the history of the rest of South America and all the colonizers there, it seems likely to me that though Chilean laws were not specific that women did indeed lose their nationality. Every country in South America was influenced by Chile's Civil Code and they all seemed to interpret it to mean women lost their nationality, so it makes no sense that Chile wouldn't have taken that position as well. For example, in Argentina, though the laws were ambiguous, the court ruled numerous times that women did lose their nationality. I can't really find any evidence that the issue of women's nationality has ever been studied there, so I need to know if there are court records about it. I can't figure out how to search that in any of the three (Chile, Uruguay and Paraguay). If you could, that'd be huge. SusunW (talk) 13:10, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

• SusunW: Very good on the interpretation. Most European colonial powers had similar laws to this, as I am sure you have found out. The majority of their colonies adopted these policies long after the colonizers were pushed out. Just from a personal perspective, I still find that a man can more easily get information and resolve issues faster than I can in many places, even the US, unless I utilize my wonderful charm or death stare (my family know it well...lol). It is sad though and I think you are amazing for working to bring attention to these issues that plague our shared past. We have so much we owe these women who came before us. Their voices need to be heard, whether thats here in Wikipedia or on some other forum. --ARoseWolf 13:49, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska my working theory is that they all did. Every last country, which is why I think Chile needs to be ferreted out. I have yet to find any country except it that infers that women never lost nationality. I am determined to see this project through, though it is truly difficult and a lot of work to dig out the obscure history. It's like archeology, or trying to complete a 1000 piece puzzle with 1/2 the pieces hidden. Thanks for the encouragement. SusunW (talk) 14:26, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@SusunW: I had a couple I talked to for some time who moved to the Chilean Andes too. I've lost so many contacts over the years. Wish I could help you there. If it was Europe, primarily southern France, Northern Italy and the Dresden area in Germany, I could probably help more. The only thing that I know to do is maybe contact my sister who works with the UN but that's not proven to be very effective for me in the past. Most of my sisters don't care for me much but Zemira is the closest one to me in age and about the only one of the four that will acknowledge me at least. I can just see if she has contacts or knows anyone with contacts in the Chilean government/community if you would like for me to attempt it? I guess it might be worth a try. Can't really be worse off for it. --ARoseWolf 15:27, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Chile

SusunW: Have you already seen LA NACIONALIDAD CHILENA LUEGO DE LA REFORMA CONSTITUCIONAL DE 2005? Section II gives some basic backround on the terms of the "Reglamento Constitucional Provisorio de 1812" and adaptations on 3 June 1818. It does not specifically mention women but maybe they are covered in the corresponding full texts. I'll see if I can find anything more.--Ipigott (talk) 14:57, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

The text of Art. 24 provides nothing specific in regard to women: " Art. 24. Todo habitante libre de Chile es igual de derecho: sólo el mérito y virtud constituyen acreedor a la honra de funcionario de la Patria. El español es nuestro hermano. El extranjero deja de serlo si es útil; y todo desgraciado que busque asilo en nuestro suelo, será objeto de nuestra hospitalidad y socorros, siendo honrado. A nadie se impedirá venir al país, ni retirarse cuando guste con sus propiedades."--Ipigott (talk) 15:15, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Hadn't seen this. Will read through it. And yes, finding specific information regarding women is tough. SusunW (talk) 15:26, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

• SusunW: In LA NACIONALIDAD CHILENA LUEGO DE LA REFORMA CONSTITUCIONAL DE 2005, the specific case of Kareczag de Figueroa Anguita (p. 4) seems pertinent.--Ipigott (talk) 16:46, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

• "La Constitución de 1925 estableció que el mero hecho de nacionalizarse en país extranjero conllevaba la pérdidade la nacionalidad chilena" and "En un caso que afectó al chileno Aldo Alberto Vásquez Valencia, quien adquirió la nacionalidad alemana por el hecho de contraer matrimonio con una nacional alemana, ante lo cual el gobierno alemán comunicó esta circunstancia a su homólogo chileno, el que procedió a cancelar la nacionalidad chilena." page 18. While the example is of a male losing nationality by marriage, but I think it proves the point. Now to figure out when that first was applicable, as I am sure it was before 1925. SusunW (talk) 17:15, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

• @SusunW and Ipigott: Intriguing read. Definitely proves the point. I would go a step further and say it is indicative that these laws disproportionately affected not just women but the poor because it is women, who were regarded as second class anyway, and the poor who did not have the financial backing to fight such laws. --ARoseWolf 17:27, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Absolutely Tsistunagiska! And immigrants. Think 1st generation immigrant who marries a man from the "old country". The fight against these laws was led by middle-class, educated women. Most governments did not widely publish that women lost their nationality but viewed that if they chose to marry a foreigner then they chose to give up their nationality. In the US, there were court cases which deprived women of nationality even when they didn't know that marriage could result in losing their status. It truly boggles my mind. Even Laurie Fransman, the expert on UK nationality, called the whole practice ludicrous. SusunW (talk) 17:35, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Truly abhorrent, the treatment of women/poor/immigrants. No doubt we still have room to advance before it is real equality but we have come a long way and that is why the work you are doing is so important. We can not forget the sacrifices made. We can not allow their voices to fall silent. I do not want young women, like my nieces and my daughter, a few generations removed to experience the results of the fight without knowing who fought for it and how they fought. It is like an endangered language/culture. Once that knowledge is lost it is gone forever. Only speculation remains. We must keep that flame alive and we must each do our part. --ARoseWolf 18:24, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	I award this barnstar to you on behalf of the many tasks you do behind the scenes to support Women in Red's membership. Thank you, Ipigott! Rosiestep (talk) 14:59, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Rosie. I think it's extremely important that we should be able to provide the most welcoming features for our members and ensure they have our support if they face difficulties.--Ipigott (talk) 15:13, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

May 2021 at Women in Red

Women in Red | May 2021, Volume 7, Issue 5, Numbers 184, 188, 197, 198 Online events: New: May Mays | Mental Health Contest (Apr/May/Jun): Women in Europe contest Year-long campaign: Women's rights Continuing: #1day1woman See also: Wikimedia District of Columbia: 100 DC Women contest Wikimedia CEE Spring: Central and Eastern European Women contest The Wikipedia Library: #1Lib1Ref Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage | Help us plan future events Become a member | Opt-out of notifications Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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:-O Ahhhhh!! Help!!

I looked through the member list and didn't see my name. Did I accidentally delete myself from the project? Do I just resign up? --ARoseWolf 17:55, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

• Tsistunagiska: I've now found time to look at your editing history and see that you joined Women in Red on 17 August 2020 at 13.33 but that you "blanked the page" of your membership card at 21.13 on 10 December 2020. As a result, your membership listing has been removed but you are still on our mailing list. If you want to be relisted as a full member, you'll have to register again. I see that on the same day you also deleted your name from WP Women's History and from several other wikiprojects. Maybe you were preparing to withdraw for the winter. I think you should re-register with the ones you are really interested in. I'm happy to see there is a clear reason for this as we've been experiencing a number of problems with our membership lists. Please let me know if you need any further assistance.--Ipigott (talk) 06:29, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

• Hmmmm, weird. I don't remember doing that but I must have. I'll re-register then. Thanks, Ian. Sorry to bother you with this. --ARoseWolf 12:57, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

• Tsistunagiska: We all forget the majority of our Wikipedia edits. As long as you remember your childhood in Italy, that's what really matters. Thanks for joining up again with your double rainbow picture. We look forward to more creative work on women.--Ipigott (talk) 14:54, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

• I rarely forget anything, least of which my experiences growing up, good or bad. Thank you and I'll find my niche. --ARoseWolf 15:07, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Businessperson, businesswoman, executive, or...?

Hi, I was editing the Tracy Britt Cool article and wondered if "Occupation: Business executive" is the preferred nomenclature, rather than businessperson, or something else. (I see all of the above and more used.) Thanks for letting me know if there's a consensus on what the project would rather not see (aside from the big "Ten"). JAnnora2 (talk) 00:24, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks for contacting me on this, JAnnora2. I think in the case of Tracy Britt Cool, business executive is correct as she has been a CEO or board member of various companies. The article also includes the corresponding categories. The use of other descriptors depends on the degree of involvement, etc. Keep in touch and let me know when you feel ready to create your first article.--Ipigott (talk) 06:46, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

a barnstar for you!

	Women in Red Women in Europe contest
	Ipigott Thank you for your additions April 2021 WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:30, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Very much deserved. Congrats, Ian!! --ARoseWolf 14:52, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Might you be interested

in a very small project? Since you are knowledgeable about Luxembourg, I wonder if you might be able to assist with adding a Luxembourgish pronunciation to the first sentence of the John W. Beschter article. It's just a small thing that has bugged me and which I am not knowledgable enough to fix. Ergo Sum 01:34, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Biography suggestions

• Militsa Kazarinova (in Russian) - Chief of Staff of women's 125th Gv BAP
• Zinaida Smirnova (in Russian) - HSU nominee
• Olga Bordashevskaya (in Russian) - sniper
• Lyudmila Kalinina (in Russian) - tank crew engineer in WWII
• Olga Sholokhova (in Russian) - dive bomber squadron commander, one of nine women awarded the order of Aleksandr Nevsky
• Natalya Kachuevskaya (in Russian) - GRF
• Marina Plotnikova (in Russian) - GRF
• Olga Ignatovich (in Russian) - WWII photocorrespondent
• Olga Lander (in Russian) - WWII photocorrespondent
• Natalya Bode (in Russian) - WWII photocorrespondent

I thought you might be interested in writing some of these.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 02:06, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks, PlanespotterA320 for the suggestions. I'm currently working on Swedish suffragettes and women's rights activists. When I run out of those, I may see what I can do with your WWII photocorrespondents, perhaps with an article on Natalia Bode. Russian is not among my best languages. I'm afraid I've forgotten most of what I learnt when I was young and today even have difficulty reading the script. Fortunately, thanks to the USAF's interest in Russia and the Soviet Union during the cold war, Russian-English is still one of the best language pairs for machine translation. I see you've recently done a good job on Tojikhon Shodieva. If you can't find any more Russian women associated with aviation, perhaps you could have a go at some of those you've suggested above.--Ipigott (talk) 07:02, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Tracy Britt Cool

Hi again. I wonder if you would peek in at the Tracy Britt Cool article and let me know if I added sufficiently to it to remove the stub label at this point. I really appreciate your input! JAnnora2 (talk) 02:16, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

• You've certainly made a good job of this, JAnnora2. It's no longer a stub -- in fact I've rated it C class. Hope there will soon be more along the same lines. Well done!--Ipigott (talk) 08:37, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
  • That's really nice of you to say. Thanks for the encouragement! JAnnora2 (talk) 22:32, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Teresa Paiva Speedy deletion: Help!!

Hi Ian. I have just had a Speedy Deletion tag attached to my latest article under the Women in Europe competition. I am at loss to understand the reason for this. If all similar articles get tagged in this way it would appear to threaten the very existence of Women in Red. Any help you can give would be much appreciated. Many thanks. Andrew. Roundtheworld (talk) 19:18, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Problem solvedRoundtheworld (talk) 19:54, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Roundtheworld: happy it was resolved. I was about to jump in and contest but saw you did it and the tag was removed. Good show and all that! --ARoseWolf 20:17, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) From the contribution history of the editor who CSD'd Teresa Paiva (please remember to link to articles you discuss) (I'd link to that contribs list, but I'm on phone so too complicated) I don't see how this was a threat to the existence of WiR: their deletions seem to show no gender bias. The system worked - though it might be interesting to look at some of their other edits to see if there is a pattern of inappropriate CSDs. PamD 05:54, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

It certainly looked to me like a genuine mistake which was quickly rectified.--Ipigott (talk) 06:30, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Another (talk page watcher)... I agree that this seems to be a genuine mistake, quickly recitified. What's interesting to me, though, is that the editor who sounded the alarm left the same type of message on my talkpge ("threaten the very existence of Women in Red"). I understand that they were distressed, but in retrospect, quite an over-reaction. --Rosiestep (talk) 09:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@PamD, Rosiestep, and Ipigott: I get so used to writing on a few talk pages that I forget to tag myself with the jaguar. It was totally a mistake and not as dramatic as it was made to be but, in defense, when I get very passionate about a specific subject, like Andrew, it's easy to become too focused and you start seeing the singular issue as an existential threat to all that you view as important. I think his concern was as genuine as the mistake was, even if a bit of an over-reaction. Either way it was resolved quickly. --ARoseWolf 13:50, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Question

You are listed as my mentor at my newcomer page. I have a different mentor than you. What do I do?StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 17:46, 9 May 2021 (UTC.

Hi there, StarshipSLS. As far as I know, there's nothing to prevent you working with two mentors. Please let me know how I can help you out or whether you would just like me to make some suggestions on how to go forward.--Ipigott (talk) 20:35, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ipigott: I do not mean I want you to be my mentor. You are listed as my mentor when I never wanted you to be my mentor. How can I change my Homepage to show @JackReynoldsADogOwner is my mentor? StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 21:51, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

• StarshipSLS: Yes, I can see from here that on 30 April you seem to have established a working relationship with JackReynoldsADogOwner. The substitution of my name as your mentor appears to have been a teething-problem error in an experimental project. I hope MMiller (WMF) can sort it out. If ever you think I can help you out with anything, just drop me a line. Happy editing.--Ipigott (talk) 08:24, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

  @StarshipSLS -- it looks to me like you turned the newcomer page feature on yourself after discovering it in your preferences. Is that right? That feature assigns a mentor to every newcomer, but if you've started working with someone else on the wiki already, that's great and I hope you continue. The mentor relationship is not formal and you're welcome to seek help from as many or as few people as you wish. Thank you for joining the community and for improving content around space travel! MMiller (WMF) (talk) 21:30, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

  @MMiller (WMF): Thanks! StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 23:24, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Question from Aftab0199 (20:09, 9 May 2021)

Hello My Dear Mentor How are you? --Aftab0199 (talk) 20:09, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

• Hi there, Aftab0199. Good to see you are interested in my mentoring. I see you've been working on a new article. I'll take a closer look at it tomorrow and make some recommendations. In the meantime, I posted a welcome sequence on your talk page. You should take a look at some of the links. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 20:42, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

  @Ipigott Hlw...Translate my new article from Bangla Wiki.

  I don't know how much I can translate. You will see the acutu and make a mistake. Aftab0199 (talk) 20:50, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Aftab0199: I've been looking at your work on Jorkhali Fazil Degree Madrasah. Unfortunately an article with this title was deleted on 3 February for lack of notability. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jorkhali Fazil Degree Madrasah. Until you gain wider experience of Wikipedia, I would strongly advise you not to try to recreate articles which have been previously deleted. As for your draft on Chittagong University Museum, your translation is not too bad but on the English wiki it is important to back every article with two of three good secondary sources rather than information closely related to the subject of the article. Secondary sources can include articles from journals or newspapers or coverage in published books. I can see, for example, that there is an article about the museum in the Daily Star. This and similar descriptions would be a good basis for creating an article.--Ipigott (talk) 09:01, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ipigott Dear, I hope Alhamdulillah is well with his family in this pandemic situation. This article or section needs sources or references that appear in credible, third-party publications. And as far as I know, it is not necessary to give the reference of the translated article, because the reference is already given, that tie becomes automatic. And yes the page was removed earlier due to lack of significant references and now I have fixed the references which are approved by the Government of Bangladesh. So you are requested to review the page again. Should I move the article to the main title? And I will use the Chittagong University Museum article for more information. I thought that since I would translate from Bengali to English and the references would remain the same so I did not feel the need to give new references. Aftab0199 (talk) 13:30, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Aftab0199: I have looked carefully at your new version of Jorkhali Fazil Degree Madrasah. The problem is that an article with the same title, although much shorter, has been deleted. For your version to succeed, it must be considerably better or those who assessed the deleted version will no doubt call for this one to be deleted too. I've looked at the Google translation of the Bengali version and can see how closely it compares with your version. I found that I could not access all the sources you cited and that those I could find were not as useful as they could be. I have also been looking at the other madrasah articles including Hazari Gonj Hamidia Fazil Madrasah. I think it would help if you tried to follow the kind of presentation and sourcing used there (although I see the main contributor has been blocked from editing). It would be even better if you could find press reports on the school or assessments of the successes of past students. It's important to include sources for all the information in the article. I can see there are sections without any references. You might think I'm being difficult but I'm really trying to help you. Finally, as I said before, it is not a good idea for a new contributor to start by trying to revive a deleted article. I think you should first have one article accepted, for example the one on the museum. We could then re-examine the Jorkhali Fazil Degree Madrasah. Hope this helps!--Ipigott (talk) 14:37, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ipigott Thanks.. Aftab0199 (talk) 16:30, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ipigott Please chk http://163.47.156.104:8080/BANBEISR/voutoFacilitiesInfoEntryForm1MMadrasha.do?eiin=119376&&year=2020 Aftab0199 (talk) 17:02, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Aftab0199: Unfortunately, at the moment I cannot access that site. I'll try again later, It seems to me that several of the sites you have been using as sources are not always accessible worldwide. But in any case, I still recommend you first try to tidy up the museum article.--Ipigott (talk) 06:35, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ipigott Thanks Aftab0199 (talk) 07:10, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ipigott Dear How are you?? please check Jorekhali Senior Fazil Digree Madrasah someone nominate this articles didnot follow rulles orphan and tag Aftab0199 (talk) 18:50, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Well, up to now it seems to be doing fine.--Ipigott (talk) 20:55, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Help

Hi Ipigott, I have created Alivia Sarkar as a part of Bengalis through WikiGap Kolkata. Is there anything that can be improved upon the existing version. Thank you. Run n Fly (talk) 16:11, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Run n Fly: The running text portion of the article is very short and the statements made are not referenced. I recommend you expand it and also include a running text introduction to each of the listings on TV, film, etc.--Ipigott (talk) 06:29, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Question from Aegeou2 (00:56, 11 May 2021)

I just wanted to know, if I can revive this draft so that I can finish it and use the remaining resources to help? Thanks, from 🌀Aegeou2🌀 | To-Do 00:56, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Aegeou2, I think you can revive it back by placing a request at WP:REFUND/G13 following the instructions there. Run n Fly (talk) 06:07, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! 🌀Aegeou2🌀 | To-Do 12:01, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Question from StarshipSLS (18:21, 11 May 2021)

User:12.186.169.130 reverted my edit in which I added a welcome message, and the user added a lot of question marks to their own talk page. I really don't understand this. --StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 18:21, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

StarshipSLS: I wouldn't worry too much about this. Many contributors prefer to continue editing without registering for user names. I can't see there have been any cases of vandalism.--Ipigott (talk) 07:06, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ipigott: It is a Shared IP and someone is adding a lot of question marks to the talk page. StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 15:15, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

StarshipSLS: You shouldn't be welcoming those who contribute with their IP addresses. They have not joined Wikipedia. If you want to welcome newcomers, make sure they have a user name.--Ipigott (talk) 15:47, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ipigott: I used the IP welcome message. StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 18:27, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Laura Witte (Q24231836) for Women in Red

Hi, Ian. Hope all is well. I took a break from Wikipedia editing due to that hand injury I mentioned a year or so ago, but I'm back and working on articles for Women in Red. The first two went smoothly, but the third - for Laura Witte - had a weird glitch with the redlink, and generated an article with the title, "Laura Witte (Q24231836)." With all of the problems that authors have had over the years with WIR articles being challenged, I thought it might be good to to reach out to you to see if you could get the title of the article and its talk page renamed to "Laura Witte (suffragette)"? (Apparently, there is already another Wikipedia article related to a different Laura Witte; so, some sort of parenthetical descriptor is probably needed.) I'm just worried, if I let this one go as is, an overly enthusiastic deleter might flag this article. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. 47thPennVols (talk) 03:41, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) At present Laura Witte redirects to Laura de Witte. I'd suggest requesting moving your article to the base title as an uncontroversial page move at WP:RM, and adding a hatnote to point readers from it to the Dutch athlete. PamD 05:23, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi, 47thPennVols. I'm glad to see you are recovering from your injury and are now able to edit again. The reason (Q24231836) was included in the article title is that you no doubt clicked on the name on one of our Wikidata redlists. For some reason, the names listed sometimes include the Wikidata item number. I've made the move as you requested. If this happens again, when you create the article, you should simply delete the item number first. Thanks for the other three articles you have created this year. I see someone added the tag for our year-long Women's rights initiative (WIR-188) to Anna Bustill Smith. You could add the tag to the talk pages of Florence Slocomb, Margaret Jane Steele Rozsa and Laura Witte (suffragette) too and list them all on Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/188. Keep up the good work!--Ipigott (talk) 06:49, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

She's now at Laura Witte, with appropriate hatnote pointing to the athlete. PamD 17:56, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the good wishes, Ian, and for your help and explanation. Your support is always greatly appreciated. (Pam: Thank you for taking care of the hatnote.) 47thPennVols (talk) 19:37, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Alexandra Bulat

Thank you for your assessment as Start class.....would you consider joining in the AfD discussion - to support case for keeping this new young but notable activist whose article has only begun Alexandra Bulat. Thanks Kaybeesquared (talk) 08:45, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alexandra_Bulat Kaybeesquared (talk) 08:51, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

• Kaybeesquared: I did look quite carefully at the article and its sourcing. On this basis, I decided not to participate in the deletion discussion as her inclusion in Wikipedia seems to be premature. As far as I can see, she has not been sufficiently covered in secondary sources and has not achieved notability in other areas (e.g. as a full university professor, as a member of parliament, as the winner of a widely recognized award, or as an artist or writer receiving coverage in newspapers or journals or wide critical acclaim). If you are able to improve the article along these lines, it might still be deemed acceptable. If not, I'm afraid it may well be deleted. Thanks, by the way, for all your other recent biographies of women, all of which appear to be well sourced.--Ipigott (talk) 09:10, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

• • Ipigott Thanks for holding back these comments from the AfD - and for rating this short article anyway. Yes - it may be difficult to improve it quickly and it may go the way of deletion. But can I also give you a huge thank you for the many times you have supported, assessed or helped my editing of (mainly) women's articles over 3 years. If it didn't seem like 'sooking up' as we say, I would send you a barntar..

PS. if you felt like rating Marjory Newbold which remains 'unknown' class, that would be great, thanks! Kaybeesquared (talk) 09:29, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

• Kaybeesquared: There was also Mary Anne Baikie (and I've upgraded the rating of a few others). I must say you've been doing really impressive work over the past three years. Interesting to see the Scottish "sooking up" is the equivalent of "sucking up" but it looks to me as if you're the one who deserves a barnstar for all those B and C classes. The "Edinburgh gang" in general have been making real progress on Wikipedia's coverage of women. Keep up the good work!--Ipigott (talk) 10:01, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Women's Suffrage

• Kaybeesquared: While I'm here, I must say the template on Women's suffrage in Scotland is coming along extremely well. I like the way you've divided it up into Suffragists and Suffragettes. Megalibrarygirl, who's been doing a huge amount of work on suffrage in the US, seems to believe suffragist is simply the American equivalent of suffragette. She should be interested to see you make a distinction between the two. The List_of_suffragists_and_suffragettes currently has a subsection on the UK but nothing specific on Scotland. Maybe it would be worthwhile creating an additional subsection.(cc Stinglehammer, Clareleethompson, Victuallers).--Ipigott (talk) 10:23, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

  Thanks Ipigott and huge thanks has to go to IanTheArchivist for his behind the scenes thorough sourcing and archive research helping our joint collaboration on article drafts (suffragettes/suffragists and other women). Mary Anne Baikie was rescued by LesleyMitchell.

  The monthly Edinburgh WiR editathons are great ways to build up connections and Stinglehammer and Victuallers have been so very supportive, and Clareleethompson also Lirazelf to all of us (still) beginners at the wiki stuff.

  A specific Scotland subsection on List_of_suffragists_and_suffragettes occurred to us too - but not sure how to do this. PS the American useage is a bit like sooking/sucking - a linguistic thing and not sure how to explain as the suffragette in USA is a suffragist here (in my understanding) and not sure if militancy there was called something different. A section that seems to be the clearest on the emergence of 'suffragette' as a term https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suffragette&action=edit&section=4

Thanks again for encouragement and positive assessments of articles to date - very much appreciated.Kaybeesquared (talk) 12:03, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Kaybeesquared, Yes, that article reflects what I've read about "suffragist" vs. "suffragette." Here's a clipping from the news that reflects a bit more about it [5]. I think ! I'm so glad that there's more suffrage work being written about on Wikipedia. We're not close to being done. :( Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:12, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Megalibrarygirl Thanks! added this as a citation on the section mentioned above re WSPU. Great to have many more opportunities to recognise the many capable notable women (and some men) who helped make our franchise possible.Kaybeesquared (talk) 22:40, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Question from Jerry69420 on Category:Regiments of the British Army in World War I (20:39, 20 May 2021)

Hello . While trying to edit the page in visual editor, the article doesnt come up in the space provided. Any solution? --Jerry69420 (talk) 20:39, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Jerry69420: To get a category to display in running text, you have to insert a colon, e.g. Category:Regiments of the British Army in World War I. Normally categories are collected at the bottom of the page. Hope this helps.--Ipigott (talk) 21:11, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Is it possible to have a video showing this . Just to avoid errors. Jerry69420 (talk) 21:18, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Jerry69420: Sorry, I'm not aware of any videos on this.--Ipigott (talk) 06:24, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Ah well . Thanks anyway . Jerry69420 (talk) 06:25, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Question from Lwansamulenga on User:Lwansamulenga (13:19, 21 May 2021)

hello, how do i make my article public? --Lwansamulenga (talk) 13:19, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• Hello, Lwansamulenga. Although you have made a good start, I think the article needs further work before it is moved to article space. Your user page is not the best place for this. I therefore suggest you move or copy the text and references to User:Lwansamulenga/The library as a healing place. Once it is there, you should try to improve it by adding appropriate references to each item of information, including at least one reference per paragraph. Your can find guidance at Wikipedia:Citing sources. Let me know when you have done this and we'll see what other improvements are needed. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 13:36, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Another woman's bio being considered for deletion: Satronia Smith Hunt

Ian: Thanks again for your help with the Laura Witte article. You've probably already heard, but just fyi in case you haven't. The bio of Satronia Smith Hunt has been nominated for deletion which, in my humble opinion, is just absurd. (I have been actively involved in American Civil War research for quite some time, and can safely say that more articles about women like Satronia are needed, not less.) I think it would be helpful for Women in Red leaders to not only try to prevent this particular article's deletion, but to do some additional educational outreach to the nominator and others supporting this deletion about why a deletion of any article like this would be inappropriate. (I would argue that this is precisely the type of bio that Women in Red needs to fight for because this individual "was an American woman who secretly served as a soldier in the Union Army during the American Civil War" - meaning that this woman's life story was purposefully obscured during and after that war. If appropriate, could you post something on Women in Red to encourage an educational outreach effort? 47thPennVols (talk) 21:01, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I have no idea how to write articles on women and believe they should be deleted whenever possible. Any thoughts I have are crazy and don't merit serious consideration. All my efforts are to sweep the role women have played in history under the rug. cf. articles for deletion/Mildred Mottahedeh, for instance, where in my desire to marginalize women I 5x expanded her article and took it to GA. Let's drop the assumptions of bad faith, please... Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 21:13, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Apologies, Ian. I didn't intend for my query to you to cause such an uproar. I'm honestly puzzled and a bit shocked by the accusations of bad faith made against me by Eddie891 - because nothing of the sort was intended. But unnecessarily angry posts like this one above are why I stopped editing for the Milhist WikiProject and took a long break from Women in Red. It's still difficult enough to write and update articles after my hand injury that it just seems that Wikipedia's north not worth the effort anymore. 47thPennVols (talk) 21:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

I took offense to the characterization of my editing as just absurd, the suggestion that I need educational outreach on how to edit, and the implication that I am trying to erase the stories of notable women by attempting to clean them up. People can have different opinions than yourself, or simply not turn up all relevant coverage to establish notability on a google search, you know? It is good to see you back editing, 47th. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 22:21, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

But in retrospect, my tone was inappropriate and aggressive, and for that I do apologize. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 01:31, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks for bringing this to my attention, 47thPennVols. Now that the nominator has withdrawn his comments, I don't think there's any chance of deletion.--Ipigott (talk) 05:53, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

•Thanks so much, Ian. All the best.-47thPennVols (talk) 19:14, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

June 2021 at Women in Red

Women in Red | June 2021, Volume 7, Issue 6, Numbers 184, 188, 196, 199, 200, 201 Online events: New: Wiki Loves Pride | June Junes | Jewellers & Watchmakers Contest (Apr/May/Jun): Women in Europe contest Year-long campaign: Women's rights Continuing: #1day1woman Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage | Help us plan future events Become a member | Opt-out of notifications Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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Question from Aamitn (22:33, 28 May 2021)

hey, can you give me some clarity about the wikipedia adoption program? --Amit Kumar Nandi (talk) 22:33, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, Aamitn. See Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user for explanations. If you have any specific difficulties, please feel free to contact me. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 06:35, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Question from TechnologySagar (07:16, 29 May 2021)

my page not showing on google --Technology Sagar (talk) 07:16, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, TechnologySagar. Your user page has not been approved as it contains advertising. As your user name coincides with your blog, I suggest you change it. Otherwise you are likely to be banned.--Ipigott (talk) 07:24, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

200! Editathons and a DYK nom

Wow! Amazing Ian. Well done. Victuallers (talk) 08:40, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

today

See my talk today, - it's rare that a person is pictured when a dream comes true, and that the picture is shown on the Main page on a meaningful day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda, for letting me know and for creating and expanding such an interesting article. Nice picture of marguerites and corn flowers. Things were much more advanced this time last year.--Ipigott (talk) 08:48, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Badge and barnstar for You!

May second place: Women in Europe: WiR Women in Europe contest, 2021

	Women in Red Women in Europe contest
	Ipigott 50 articles Second Place May 2021 Congratulations! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:15, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, WomenArtistUpdates. The barnstar was certainly more appropriate than those received for the contests earlier. Now for the watchsmiths and jewellers in June.--Ipigott (talk) 05:41, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ipigott, Congrats on second place, I won third place. Anyway, isn't this contest still running in June? And I have already joined and created articles on the June contest, and I've noticed you had created way more articles than me in May, I just want some advice on how you get started? Like you gather information from sources first and then start writing right? what kind of sources you use most? Do you have access to wiki library?, or find some archived biography and write on your own words? Any advice would be appreciated! -- Tame (talk) 06:54, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

• Tamingimpala: Congratulations on third place -- 23 articles is pretty good too. I'm glad to see you are continuing to participate in June. I'm not sure my explanations of how I write articles will be useful as I think my approach is rather unconventional. As you may know, most of my biographies are about women from Scandinavia. I have chosen to concentrate on these as there are many notable women in the Scandinavian countries who have not been covered in the English Wikipedia. Many of them have only short articles or nothing at all in the Scandinavian languages. As I have been working on them for several years, I am familiar with where they are likely to be covered in their own countries. Before I start, I make sure I can find at least three good sources. For those who are no longer living, I can usually find adequate coverage in biographical dictionaries, national institutions, home town presentations. I also look for press coverage during their lifetimes or their obituaries. On this basis, I start by putting together the lead. I expand the article using any other useful sources I can find, including of course any coverage in Wikipedia, Commons, etc. I then see what additional images I can find, including where possible a portrait of the subject. I am a member of WikiLibrary but have not found it too useful up to now for Scandinavians although some of the Jstore articles can be helpful. I always try to aim for at least start class (i.e. 250 words of running text), sometimes reaching C. I see you have been writing mainly about Germans and Austrians. You can find some quite useful biographical dictionaries covering Austria, Germany and Switzerland in our list of Fully accessible biographical dictionaries. There are others which might not be fully accessible but which are frequently very useful, e.g. Grosses Sängerlexikon for opera singers. Let me know if you run into any problems. Good luck!--Ipigott (talk) 10:39, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

The importance of Women in Red

Hi, Ian. Hope all's well. I just created another article, using one of the Women in Red project redlinks (Marion Margery Scranton), and just wanted to say how grateful I am to all of the leaders and volunteers of Women in Red who have built, and continue to expand, the foundation for creating new bios about women. If there are still doubters about the importance of Women in Red, this latest bio might serve as an example of why this project is still very much needed. Margery Scranton was a genuine trailblazer and powerbroker who should have had a bio page on Wikipedia a long, long time ago. I'm planning to continue working on her page and on getting her wikilinked to other appropriate articles, but for now, I believe she's at least a class-C article at this point. I feel truly blessed to have had the chance to work on this one. All the best! 47thPennVols (talk) 22:26, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

• 47thPennVols: The article is certainly coming along very well. Strange that with so many keen Wikipedians in Pennsylvania and with all our interest in women's suffrage, no one had written about her until now. Thanks for filling the gap and for all your supportive comments about Women in Red.--Ipigott (talk) 07:12, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

• Ipigott: Thanks so much for the kind words, Ian. I also thought it was odd that there was no bio for her. She was clearly as powerful, politically, as her son. I'm glad I could help to correct the oversight. Have a great week! - 47thPennVols (talk) 21:16, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Gerda Höglund

On 7 June 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Gerda Höglund, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Swedish artist Gerda Höglund painted her first altarpiece in South Africa before creating a similar work (pictured) in Sweden? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gerda Höglund. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Gerda Höglund), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

some flowers and music for you, with more thanks for consistent work around women - and now one with my name! - than the little clicks can say - you were around when I created my first article, and we enjoyed new music now --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

• Gerda Arendt: August 2009 was a great month for Wikipedia. I must say you made a very impressive start with your first article. It's good to have your assistance in promoting Scandinavians on DYK. Perhaps one of these days we should focus on women called Gerda. I see there are already quite a few at Gerda and that Svenskt Bibliografiskt Lexikon has extensive biographies on some 25 of them (most of whom have not yet been covered on Wikipedia). We should also look for other blue-linked Gerdas who need to be included on the wiki list. Gerda appears to have Scandinavian (old Norse) roots (meaning guardian or protector) but particularly in Germany, many Gerdas seem to have been Christened Gertrud or Gertraud (meaning spear or strength). Your own work on Wikipedia reflects both guardianship and strength - so take your pick!--Ipigott (talk) 10:17, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

  Thank you ;) - I like to connect it to garden, because my mother loved gardening. I like the characters in The Snow Queen and Buddenbrooks, but and I never played violin (and the piano part of the Kreutzer Sonata would be too hard for my limited piano skills. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:35, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

  • It's certainly connected to garden and Garten too. Both have ancient roots in "gard" (cf yard), meaning guarded (enclosed) space. Perhaps that explains why you frequently brighten up our days with pictures of flowers.--Ipigott (talk) 11:44, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

    I think most people can be reached by flowers, while musical tastes vary, and lyrics of songs may be not understood for language, and also for context, - take my song of defiance ("Trotz der Furcht darzu" - also defy fear, which is much easier sung than done). That's actually up for pear review, in case you want to drop comments. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

    • I've been looking carefully through Jesu, meine Freude. I must say, it seems to be progressing very well. I don't think I'll make any comments on the peer review page but there are a couple of things in the lead that rather surprised me. The first is the wording: "from the New Testament's sixth book, the Epistle to the Romans." After spending five years at an Anglican school, I'm probably more familiar than most with the books of the Bible but it seems strange to me that we need to be told that the Epistle to the Romans is the sixth book in the New Testament. Why not just say: "The text of the motet's even-numbered movements is taken from the Epistle to the Romans." (Those who don't know what it is can follow the link.) The next sentence is also a bit strange for me. I'm not sure it is correct to say that the Biblical text "includes key Lutheran teaching". Surely it's the other way round, i.e. Lutheran teaching draws specifically on the Biblical text. If you agree, you could therefore say something like: "The Biblical text, which contributes significantly to Lutheran teaching..." If you think comments along these lines are useful, I could spend more time on it but I think you are already receiving lots of excellent advice and my schedule is quite full for the time being.--Ipigott (talk) 12:50, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

      Thank you very much, and if it's not too much trouble for you, I'd prefer you copied these excellent comments to the peer review, for the others to see and also reflect. The nice thing about peer review is that each user can just comment to a few items, not responsible for the whole thing. The lead is pretty much as Francis Schonken left it, and I'll happily change. Could we say that this particular passage became fundamental for Lutheran teaching? Better wording welcome. (I don't do GA reviews, because I could not really judge the prose, and for FAC, I often feel that I shouldn't support without studying the sources which I often don't have time for.) - Completely different topic: there's an essay on top of Drmies talk worth studying for the sake of accessibility. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

      • Gerda Arendt: Just been reading your above comments. I was about to modify the lead myself but see that you beat me to it. BTW, Jesu, meine Freude always reminds me of "Wohl mir, dass ich Jesum habe / Jesus bleibet meine Freude" as the English title is Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring. In the English-speaking world, it is certainly one of Bach's most popular compositions and has about ten times as many page views as BWV 227. Unfortunately, the Wikipedia articles in German and English are disappointingly brief. There must be much more that could be written on the history of the work, key performances, popularity with choirs, organists, etc., etc. Given you extensive interest in Bach, maybe you could encourage efforts to bring the EN version up to at least GA level. I realize it is just one part of Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben, BWV 147 but even in that article, coverage is extremely brief.--Ipigott (talk) 10:55, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

        Sorry, but I know nothing about said popularity. Yes, we often sing it out of context for weddings and such, but I prefer it much more in the context of the cantata (twice in the cantata!). I have too many topics already, this one will not be one of them. Expanding a woman, soprano, German page translated but blatant copyvio, shrunk to stub, but now getting there years after creation. - The popularity of BWV 227 suffers from the German text, of course. Untranslatable, just take "Trotz", the strong one-syllable sound of it! I have a friend, a woman conductor, who learned it with her church choir (!) in months of work, but her minister (a man, of course, sorry) thought it wasn't a good idea, and thought the same after the admirable performance. She didn't quit then, but later, and this probably set the stage. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

added: missing SlimVirgin, and RMF festival opening --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:26, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

• Gerda Arendt: One more Swedish Gerda on DYK today: Gerda Sprinchorn.--Ipigott (talk) 08:20, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Feedback Request

Hi there! I have recently made a request for an assessment of the article Puppetry of the Penis on WikiProject Australia. I have been editing this article for over a month, adding almost 3000 words, new sections, an infobox, media and more references for verifiability. I noticed you were a very active (and helpful) editor of WikiProject Australia, and was wondering if you had the time if you could have a look at the article and provide me any feedback. I understand it's not your area of expertise, but any general feedback would be much appreciated. Thank you very much. Rubyredgirl (talk) 09:12, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, Rubyredgirl. I had not realized I had been so active on articles related to Australia. I usually try to concentrate on non English-speaking countries, especially those in Scandinavia. I see you have already made considerable improvements to PTOP, demonstrating your competence as a new editor. The weakest part of the article is the section on Tricks. It is unreferenced and presented as a list. I suggest you try to rewrite it as running text with the same standard of sourcing as in the rest of the article. You could simply pick out a few of the most interesting tricks and expand on them as examples. There's really no need to include them all. I'm not sure why there are two sections, Reception and Analysis, both covering critical assessment. Perhaps it would be more logical to combine both into one section where you now have Analysis. There is already one mention of an award in the article. If there have been others, you could create a new section on awards. I also find it strange that Simon Morley and David Friend do not have biographies and that their names appear without even red links in the article. Short biographies giving basic information on their origins and careers would be useful. Finally, I see that PTOP is now appearing in Las Vegas. It might be useful to give an update of recent and planned performances this year and next. If you want further feedback, you could consider asking for a peer review or you could simply submit the article as a candidate for Good Article assessment. Hope this helps.--Ipigott (talk) 15:20, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ipigott: Hello Ipigott! I was struggling to find editors to assess the article (many did not want to be associated with an article with this subject matter) and so looked through the users who had edited or assessed other Wikiproject Australia articles and I found you! Sorry if this goes outside your usual focus on Wikipedia, but I appreciate your time and effort nonetheless, as a new Wikipedia editor your feedback is greatly valued. I am responding to your feedback in bullet points as I think you definitely raised some important points and I hope you don't mind me asking for some clarification.

• Completely agree with your point about the list of "tricks", it was there when I began editing the article and I was not sure the protocol for removing it. This has been discussed on the talk page and based on the suggestions of other editors I ultimately decided to remove it as I had added other mentions of some of the tricks in the "Summary" section that were properly referenced and so the list was a bit irrelevant (and definitely did not go with the aesthetics of the article in its formatting).
• In terms of your feedback about the "Reception" and "Analysis" sections, I am a bit confused. I agree that covering critical assessment in two sections is illogical, however "Reception" is aimed at covering critical reactions of the show itself by journalists and critics (good and bad), while the inclusion of "Analysis" section was based on the Wikiproject Theatre's article structure, which is about an analysis of the subject material and the show's cultural and social value (more details in the linked page). Let me know if you disagree with this and I will do my best to combine them, perhaps by removing the quotations by theatre critics from "Analysis", and only including academic evaluations (such as the ones I included from Maria San Filippo, Elizabeth Stephens and Clare Kovacs).
• I could not find more information on awards that the show has received, but I am happy to do further research into this (for example I know it was nominated for a Helpmann Award but did not receive it).
• As for your comments on biographies of Simon Morley and David Friend, do you suggest that I add hyperlinks for these names even if they are red? And do you mean including brief biographies in the article or creating a new Wikipedia article to include this basic information? Happy to do either!
• For the recent and planned performances, I have actually been working on that currently as there was a lot of difficulties due to COVID-19 and many performances were rescheduled so its hard to find the actual dates vs the ones that were planned but never happened. I am still researching but will add it as soon as I have enough information. Do you suggest I include this under a different section or which section should it go under?

Thank you so much for your feedback and your assessment of the article, your support is greatly appreciated and I am excited to improve this article. Let me know if you have any other questions, and I hope you have a wonderful day! Rubyredgirl (talk) 03:33, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Rubyredgirl: First of all, I should point out that I am by no means an expert in regard to articles about shows and other theatrical productions. On Reception and Analysis, perhaps two distinct sections are included in similar articles but it just seemed to me that it would be more logical to put them together as readers often seem to be interested in reviews. I don't really have strong feelings about this. It might be useful for you to seek further advice before making any changes. As for biographies of the two stars, I think it would be useful to create separate biographical articles with blue links from PTOP. As for recent and future performances, I seem to remember that somewhere I read that the show was being relaunched after a seven-year break. So it was apparently not corona that caused the interruption. But what did and why is it now regaining popularity? It might be useful to have a section on "Recent revival" if you think that fits. Drop me a line if you would like me to take a new look at the article as it develops. --Ipigott (talk) 09:08, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Some help understanding this;

Remember Patricia Kalesanwo? on the WiR project page here? Well turns out someone managed to create an article, See. Any idea how this worked so i could do same next time i am in same situ? Thanks for the great work you are doing--OtuNwachinemere (talk) 12:16, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

OtuNwachinemere: It's good to see OtuNwachinemere has created a short stub and that is has not yet faced any problems. As you have been collecting information about the same person, now's your chance to expand the article.--Ipigott (talk) 15:30, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Ian, I think you probably meant to say that Olaniyan Olushola had created a stub. PamD 15:36, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Quite right, Pam. Thanks. I was just double checking and saw you had caught my mistake. I really need to be more careful with my copy-and-paste.--Ipigott (talk) 15:40, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

The photo looks to be a copyvio, and the notability looks very thin - several rehashes of the one press release. PamD 15:46, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

I was also concerned about the notability last time round and advised against trying to create a bio of this person. But we are dealing with new editors and Africa...--Ipigott (talk) 15:49, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Need guidance regarding problematic AWB and rollback tags

Hi, Ian. My apologies for needing to reach out again, but I've had an issue crop up with premature tagging of a new, start-class article. (It's not one for Women in Red, but it was on my to-do list for the Pennsylvania WikiProject. I realize this technically isn't your area since it's not WIR, but I've never had this particular issue crop up before, and I'm honestly not sure where to turn for help resolving the situation.) Background: I posted a bio of Thomas Coates on June 13, and did some further expansion before I needed to take a break (hand pain). I had planned on returning to the article to expand it from start to C-class (with editing, cleanup, and further polishing), but before I could do so, @Pratap555: tagged the article with an AWB tag roughly 14 hours after I'd created it, which I felt was premature since the article was in reasonably good shape. So, I reached out to Pratap555 about an hour after he tagged the article, and asked him (via "Your AWB tag addition to Thomas Coates" on his user talk page), to remove the tag. I just received a response from him today, June 15 at 12:55, and I found it polite, but worrisome: "I have tried to remove the AWB tag but by mistake i have added Rollback tag also. Kindly could you teach me how to remove those tag."

I'm not even sure what a rollback tag does, but I have a gut feeling that this isn't good. Do you have the admin ability/authority to remove the AWB and rollback tags and, if so, could you plase remove both? If not, could you please recommend an admin who could help Pratap555 figure out how to undo the tags asap? Thank you in advance for your response. 47thPennVols (talk) 13:50, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Looks to me as if this has now been sorted out.--Ipigott (talk) 08:28, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Centenarians

Hi. I'll have a go with Lia Origoni tomorrow, if you could could spread the message so there is no duplication of effort. It will need a bit of research as the Italian version doesn´t have any references and I wouldn´t like to devote too much time only to find that someone else has already done it. Roundtheworld (talk) 16:26, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Roundtheworld: Thanks for your interest. I've mentioned you on User:Peaceray/sandbox/Mind_your_elders#Lia_Orgoni where you will also find a list of useful resources.--Ipigott (talk) 08:24, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, but User:Victuallers got there first. Roundtheworld (talk) 08:41, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, just noticed. I'm wondering whether to expand some of those which are now blue linked, bringing them up to C class. I'll see how they develop over the next day or two.--Ipigott (talk) 08:47, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Question from Truejay (20:07, 21 June 2021)

How can I post a picture on Wikipedia --Truejay (talk) 20:07, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Truejay: Welcome to Wikipedia. You can find information about pictures at wp:Images. See also your talk page for introductions to editing.--Ipigott (talk) 09:31, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

That is good

Because I love it Truejay (talk) 20:12, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

July 2021 at Women in Red

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Question from StarshipSLS (15:56, 24 June 2021)

It seems that my mentor is busy right now. I have a question. When do you think I'll be ready to adopt a user. --StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 15:56, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

• StarshipSLS: You have been making good progress but as you now plan to be away until 29 August, I think we should wait for your return. Happy holidays!--Ipigott (talk) 16:00, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

  @Ipigott: Thanks! StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 15:01, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Ottoman empire

So, I finished with Oceania and moved on to Africa and right off the bat with Algeria, I am a bit stumped. I am fairly sure this is a linguistic thing and need help figuring out the context. This source is talking about "protégés (beratlılar)" (p. 284). I cannot seem to find anything that explains what this means specifically, but looking at the only language article we have (on de.wp) that gives history of Ottoman nationality, de:Türkische Staatsbürgerschaft uses "„Schutzbefohlene“ (beratlılar)". That translates as wards, which I guess sort of fits in with a person who is being mentored, and then in the scope of nationality does it refer to protected persons? As in people who were part of these Millet (Ottoman Empire)? The German source is this which is unintelligible to me, as it is in French. Can you help? SusunW (talk) 19:03, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Great to hear from you again Susun. This all looks very interesting but it's almost bedtime here now. I'll take a closer look tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 19:52, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Gracias. No worries, it's not going anywhere. LOL SusunW (talk) 20:00, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

SusunW: I'll look into the other sources you give later but in the meantime I think you will find the following helpful: THE PROTÉGÉ SYSTEM IN THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE. The term "protégé" seems to be used quite widely in English.--Ipigott (talk) 09:35, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

This article in French also looks interesting: algérien en situation impériale, fin XIXème siècle – début XXème siècle: L'usage de la catégorie «nationalité algérienne» par les consulats français dans leur relation avec les Algériens fixes au Maroc et dans l'Empire Ottoman --Ipigott (talk) 09:52, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much! The first one is a gem. It explains how the millets worked and that the protégés were indeed protected persons, who had special trade and diplomatic rights. Very helpful. SusunW (talk) 13:16, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

SusunW: Just let me know if there's anything else I can help with.--Ipigott (talk) 14:01, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm sure now that I've moved out of the "things I know", there will be a lot more need for assistance. I had a pretty good handle on the Caribbean and the Pacific seemed mostly dominated by English sources, but moving into Africa, Europe, and Asia language will come into play more and more. That's where nuance is most important, as to my mind, researching the legal history is about providing context so it needs to be understandable. SusunW (talk) 14:11, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

a barnstar for you!

	Women in Red Women in Europe contest
	Ipigott Thank you for your additions June 2021 WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:34, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Ipigott - Second Place (tie) - Women in Europe contest

Arthur Rackham, "The Hare and the Tortoise", 1912

2nd place: Women in Europe: WiR Women in Europe contest, 2021

81 articles! Congratulations. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:33, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Final Results

• WomenArtistUpdates: Thanks very much. I hadn't realized I'd created so many.--Ipigott (talk) 06:02, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

• You were the tortoise :) WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:33, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Brazil

Thanks for your message. I have asked my Brazilian wife to give me the priorities from the long list provided but serious action may have to wait until August.Roundtheworld (talk) 15:55, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Women in Red - proofread before AfC submission

Hi Ipigott, thanks for your warm welcome to Women in Red and your advice! I have now written my first draft at User:Pinktoebeans/Kerstin af Jochnick to be sent to AfC soon, but was wondering if you or another experienced editor could give it a look over to make sure it has a chance of passing, especially with regards to proof of notability. I've included as many sources as I thought were relevant, but am wondering if I should add a few more or if it is good as it is. Thank you for your help! pinktoebeans ^(talk) 11:29, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Glad to see you are already starting to create women's biographies, Pinktoebeans. Af Jochnick is certainly a notable enough figure for inclusion but you need to be careful about basing your text on primary sources, such as items from her employers, her own CV, etc. I've moved the Reuters item to the top as it is a good secondary source and provides considerable details. You can also find useful information from secondary sources such as Bloomberg, Financial Times, etc. You can provide access to primary sources such as her CV under "External links" but you should not include it as one of the main sources in the article itself. See what you can do to improve the sourcing and let me know when I can take a new look. Her full name seems to be Kerstin Margareta af Jochnick. Hope this helps.--Ipigott (talk) 13:15, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

I've just added a few new sources from Bloomberg, Reuters and a few Swedish newspapers - please do take a look once you have time! Thanks for all your help so far. pinktoebeans ^(talk) 13:56, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Pinktoebeans: Thanks for you rapid response. As you've no doubt seen, I've moved the article to mainspace, created a talk page, included it in WIR #203, updated Wikidata, included entries in a couple of lists, etc. Well done! Let me know when the next one's ready.--Ipigott (talk) 14:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your guidance! I'll definitely let you know once I've written another draft, your help has been invaluable. pinktoebeans ^(talk) 14:42, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Woo-hoo!!! Great job, Pinktoebeans! Congrats and keep it up. You are amazing! --ARoseWolf 14:43, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ipigott! Hope you're doing well. I've managed to write another Women in Red article, continuing on this month's theme of female economists and bankers. It's at Draft:Anna Breman, would really appreciate if you could have a look at it and give it a proofread whenever you're free! Thanks for all your help once more. pinktoebeans ^(talk) 19:28, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Pinktoebeans. Looks good. Now in mainspace.--Ipigott (talk) 06:38, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from Preciousb101 (10:54, 3 July 2021)

hi! can I use Wikipedia while offline --Preciousb101 (talk) 10:54, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, Precious101. Wikipedia is designed first and foremost for online use but you can of course prepare work off line. For example, if you are using books or journals as the basis for creating an article, you can start writing your text offline but you will need to be online before you can contribute to the encyclopaedia itself. See your talk page for more background on editing.--Ipigott (talk) 11:06, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Progress

Ich bin sehr zufrieden mit den jüngsten Fortschritten in Deutsch. Es hat mich eine Menge Arbeit gekostet, mir genug Wörter zu merken und die Verbformatierung zu verstehen, um zumindest einen Großteil dessen zu verstehen, was die Leute sagen und schreiben. Es ist nicht mehr so einschüchternd, wenn man erst einmal genug Wörter gelernt hat. In etwas mehr als einem Jahr habe ich mich von einem mittelmäßigen Verständnis von Spanisch und Grundkenntnissen in Französisch zu einem Verständnis von vielen spanischen, französischen, italienischen, portugiesischen und deutschen Texten und Sprache entwickelt. Mit Deutsch und Italienisch habe ich noch einen langen Weg vor mir, aber die Hürde "unendlich viele Wörter zu lernen" habe ich im Deutschen definitiv überwunden. Von hier an geht es bergab und ich werde es jetzt mehr genießen! Ich werde anfangen, Artikel zu verbessern, sobald ich diese Sprachen lesen kann. An Niederländisch werde ich noch viel arbeiten müssen, bei Deutsch war es auch zu viel, aber ich kenne ein paar Wörter. Ich benutze DeepL um dies zu schreiben, aber ich verstehe die meisten Wörter! Der Schlüssel ist definitiv das Lesen, das langsame Abspielen von Artikeln mit Sprache und das gleichzeitige Lesen.

Wenn ich mit Niederländisch weiterkomme, bin ich mir sicher, dass ich irgendwann auch Dänisch, Schwedisch und Norwegisch lernen werde, es gibt eine Menge Ähnlichkeiten, die mir auffallen. Irgendwann auch Russisch, Polnisch und Tschechisch, die haben einige Ähnlichkeiten, würden aber einen enormen Arbeitsaufwand bedeuten. Im Moment möchte ich mein Spanisch, Französisch, Italienisch und Deutsch ohne Hilfe auf ein grundlegendes Gesprächs- und Schreibniveau bringen. Ich weiß, Sie sind enttäuscht über meine mangelnden Beiträge, aber das ist es auf jeden Fall wert, sich langfristig damit zu beschäftigen! Ich hoffe, es geht Ihnen gut und Sie genießen den Sommer!† Encyclopædius 10:29, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I can certainly see you are making considerable progress. I'm flattered you address me as "Sie". I would have thought it would be more natural to use the familiar form "du". If you look at the German talk pages, you'll see that virtually all Wikipedia editors use "du". In shops, it is now quite common to use the familiar form, even between people who have never seen each other before. In Denmark and the other Scandinavian countries, everyone now uses the familiar form although this was not the case 40 or 50 years ago. I was thinking the best way for you to improve your fluency in German would be to get together with some German speakers. Are there no German-speaking clubs in your area, for example for amateur theatricals or simply evenings where German speakers meet each other. Failing all else, you could try to make initial contacts over the internet.--Ipigott (talk) 13:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from Alimpt4u (18:58, 5 July 2021)

can i create a page of my school? --Alimpt4u (talk) 18:58, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

• Alimpt4u: I would strongly advise you not to start with an article about your school. If it is famous enough, then others who aren't attached to it might some day create an article. You should instead try to write an article about a place or a person outside your immediate connections.--Ipigott (talk) 06:17, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Benin

OMG this one is hard. I "think" that the 1965 Nationality Code is still in effect. If I am reading this right, women follow the nationality of the husband unless they specifically request they do not? Does it also confirm under what conditions she can pass on nationality to her children? But, in September 2014, provisions that women could not pass nationality to children and spouses were declared unconstitutional. They were still on the books in 2017, and this says, if I am reading it right, that no new law has yet been adopted. So, how does that work, i.e. is it just unenforceable? I need some kind of source that explains it and my guess it will be in French. Can you spare the time to see if you can find something? If not, no worries. SusunW (talk) 16:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

The way I read it, they are campaigning for a new nationality code but there is nothing new at this point. --ARoseWolf 17:16, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Good to see you ARoseWolf and yes, that's what I got from it too, but what is the implication of that? In the US, a declaration of unconstitutionality renders the statute null. Is that the same in Benin? I have no idea and don't know how to search for an explanation in French. SusunW (talk) 17:54, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

The reason it's confusing is that a scenario like happens in Mexico is possible. Here, if the Supreme Court declares that state law contravenes the federal law, it stays on the books. Individuals can apply for an injunction to prevent the local statute from applicability, but it cannot be overturned by the federal government unless five identical injunctions reach the same conclusion. If that happens, the federal government can order the state to change their law. So, I need to know how "unconstitutional" works in Benin. SusunW (talk) 18:03, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@SusunW: Article 124 (on Pg. 27) of the Constitution of 1990 states, "A provision declared unconstitutional may not be promulgated or enforced. The decision of the Constitutional Court shall not be subject to any appeal. They shall be imperative for public authorities and for all civil, military, and jurisdictional authorities." It would appear, if it has been ruled unconstitutional then it is an unenforceable codified law and is not valid. --ARoseWolf 18:07, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I would suspect that the General Assembly, or whatever their legislative body is called, would need to remove the code or law from the books but it, in effect, becomes null and void from the moment of the ruling and is not appealable. --ARoseWolf 18:11, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf gracias mi amiga. That is exactly what I needed! SusunW (talk) 18:27, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@SusunW:, Non c’è problema, mia bella amica. È stato un piacere! --ARoseWolf 18:48, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

"Gracias mi amiga" is Spanish, why are you speaking Italian ARoseWolf LOL? Ah I see you lived in Italy as a child! Lucky you! † Encyclopædius 10:12, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Encyclopædius, I have fond and very traumatic memories from my childhood in Italy but I try to focus on the positives these days. There are many things I miss. I loved running the dirt paths and rolling down the hillsides. We still live a pretty slow life up here in Alaska but it is different than when I was a child in the Piedmont. Would you believe I had dark curls (lol)? Ive always had long dark hair and dark brown eyes. I have went through many changes over the last few years. I have met some amazing people in my lifetime, so far, and seen some amazing sights. There are people I miss dearly and places I would like to see again. Maybe one day, if not in this life then maybe I can come back as the wind. --ARoseWolf 16:25, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Flagrant canvassing

Hello, IP! Having seen your fine contributions to Sibelian articles over the years I take the liberty of drawing to your attention (if it hasn't been drawn already) an article I have just been reviewing as a Featured List Candidate. I feel your experience and knowledge of Sibelius would be a big bonus at the review at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Discography of Sibelius symphony cycles/archive1. Best wishes, Tim riley talk 21:52, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Tim, for pinging me on this. I looked at the article about a month ago when I was last pinged and was impressed not only with the comprehensive listings but with all the interesting detail given in the introductions. As I am no expert on discographies, or even on Wikipedia tables, I have not taken part in the review. I was however happy to see that you had brought up a considerable number of minor problems of English-language usage, all of which appear to have been resolved. I realize how difficult it is for non native English speakers to reach the exacting standards required for FA and FL presentations but I am nevertheless a little surprised by the rather unusual formulations and links in some of the running text, especially in the first few lines. I don't really know what the usual practice is with lists but it seems strange to me to include six links to justify the first sentence. I find "his seven essays in the form" a rather pretentious attempt to avoid the more widely understandable "symphonies", apparently because there has already been a link from "symphonist". Why not replace the colon with a full stop and then continue with: "Written between 1899 and 1924, his seven symphonies are the core of his oeuvre (no italics) and key components of the standard concert repertoire." I think it is important to use a level of language which is accessible to as many readers as possible. Perhaps "work" rather than "oeuvre" would also represent an improvement. What do you think?--Ipigott (talk) 09:09, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

I agree that "elegant variation", as I was taught to call it when a schoolboy, can be overdone and look contrived, but it doesn't bother me all that much. As long as the English is correct, I think we need not look in an FL for the same degree of polish that we should expect for an FA. (I might add that the late, and still sorely missed, Brian Boulton disagreed quite sternly with me on this point.) But I think the suggestions you make are good, and would be a useful addition to the FLC page. Tim riley talk 10:14, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

A toast sandwich for you!

yum,yum,yum Preciousb101 (talk) 16:00, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

If you really want to contribute to Wikipedia, Preciousb101, then perhaps you could develop some basic editing skills with The Wikipedia Adventure.--Ipigott (talk) 08:29, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Is that just three pieces of toast? I like homemade toasted bread with honey when I actually want the carbs. They help us through the Winter. I did enjoy the Wikipedia Adventure when I took it just to experience it. I recommend it for most new editors. --ARoseWolf 14:35, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from Gingertyne (04:16, 13 July 2021)

Hello, Am interest in buying 2 shares of Zynga Farmville stock. where do I buy it? --Gingertyne (talk) 04:16, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Gingertyne, and welcome to Wikipedia. For questions like this, you should use a normal search engine, not Wikipedia. See your talk page for links to information for new contributors. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 08:12, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from Astro.gianca (17:36, 13 July 2021)

Hi, I have published my page on the snadbox. How could I transofrm it in the real page now? Thanks! --Astro.gianca (talk) 17:36, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Astro.gianca: I see you have made considerable efforts on your biography of Joel C. Sercel. Unfortunately, much of the text is drawn too closely from the sources you have used and is likely to represent clear copy violations. Try to re-express the facts in your own words, avoiding repetition of the wording in the sources. Let me know when you would like me to take a new look.--Ipigott (talk) 08:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from Astro.gianca (05:53, 16 July 2021)

Hi, I made changes on almost all the text, could we try now? I just kept the words in the section about TransAstra, since I want to cite their description of the technologies. Are the citations correct? Otherwise I will just write some word without the accurate descriptions. Thanks! --Astro.gianca (talk) 05:53, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Astro.gianca: Thanks for your initial rewording work. Unfortunately the section on TransAstra will also need to be re-expressed in your own words. There are robots on Wikipedia which specifically look to see if the text in an article corresponds to that in the source quoted. If it does, it consists of a copy violation which can lead to immediate deletion of an article or a draft, It is not normally possible to include the actual wording you find in a source. On rare occasions, there might be a case for including an exact quote of, for example, a specific writer's phrasing in a critical assessment or the words uttered by a person referred to in the article. But in general, it is far better to use extensive rephrasing which cannot be picked up by bots. So I'm afraid there's more work to be done on the article. In any case, I don't think you need to include such extensive information on TransAstra in this biography. Perhaps later a separate article can be written about the company.--Ipigott (talk) 09:03, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from Astro.gianca (19:59, 16 July 2021)

Thank you so much, very valuable suggestions! I worked on it, I hope the 'bot will give me its ok now! Just let me know and I will send it for review. --Astro.gianca (talk) 19:59, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Astro.gianca: You don't need to send it for review. That might only create further problems. I'll have a more careful look at it tomorrow and let you know how well it's developing.--Ipigott (talk) 21:16, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Astro.gianca: You are working in the right direction but the section on TransAstra is still far to close to the description in the source. I still think the details of the company are unnecessary for a biography but if you want to include a description you could draw on other sources such as [6]. You really need to express everything in your own words, not simply slightly adapting the text you already have. See what you can do.--Ipigott (talk) 13:08, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from Astro.gianca (07:20, 18 July 2021)

What about the actual version? I tried also to explain why TransAstra is there in the biography, it is really the evolution and summa of his work! I also added a note about patents, listing and citing the sources and I am just going to add the same for published applications just a matter of minutes... maybe they will be ready when you read :-) --Astro.gianca (talk) 07:20, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Astro.gianca: Thanks for the additional work. I've checked your article against one of our copyvio tools and it looks as if it will no longer face deletion. I should nevertheless point out that 39% similarity was detected between the wording in the article and the source from University Acton. You might like to check out the similarities yourself and try to find alternative wording where necessary. Once I hear from you again, I'll go carefully through the article myself and make any additional changes required before I move it into article space. Thanks for your patience and all your efforts to improve the article. I hope this has been a useful lesson for you and that you will now be more careful about copy violations in your future articles. Finally, may I suggest you add a few lines about yourself on your user page. I think people may find it useful to learn a little bit about you and your intentions on Wikipedia.--Ipigott (talk) 08:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Burundi

I cannot find anything that is in a format that is machine translatable. I need to know from this source: 1) What differences existed for a mother or father to transmit nationality to a child? And from this 2) Did a foreign woman automatically acquire nationality? With/without consent? 3) Did a Murundi woman lose nationality if she married a foreigner? With/without consent? 4) Was a foreign husband given any preferential treatment for naturalization? Right below Burundi and Cameroon (which I will do next) so can you look at it too for the same questions? Thanks! If you are too busy, no worries. SusunW (talk) 15:26, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

SusunW: Unless another enthusiastic participant can come up with answers, I look at it more carefully tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 15:30, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Ian. Maybe I should say it's in French. SusunW (talk) 15:34, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

• SusunW: In regard to father or mother, the first source states Burundian nationality by birth will be granted to:

a) a legitimate child born, even in a foreign country, of a father with Burundian status on the day of its birth or, if the father has died before the birth of the child, on the date of death;

b) a natural child, who is subject to voluntary reconciliation, under legislation or judicial recognition establishing its relationship with a Burundian father;

c) a natural child whose paternal relationship has not been established and who is subject to voluntary or judicial recognition establishing its relationship to a Burundian mother;

d) a child disavowed by a foreign father, insofar as at the time of disavowal its mother possessed Burundian nationality;

e) a child under 18 years of age when its father or, if paternal relationship has not been established, when its mother acquires or retrieves Burundian nationality.--Ipigott (talk) 11:48, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

• As for your second source:

A foreign woman did not acquire Burundian nationality by marriage but only if she gave up her foreign nationality within two years of her marriage -- or if her own country's legislation did not allow her to give her nationality up, she promised not to make use of her foreign nationality in Burundi.

Burundian women did not automatically lose their nationality by marriage, but they did if they were forced to acquire the nationality of their husband or if they specifically asked to be granted their husband's nationality.

Hope this is what you need to know.--Ipigott (talk) 12:15, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Perfect! Thank you so much Ian. Very much appreciate it. SusunW (talk) 12:33, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from Astro.gianca (20:37, 18 July 2021)

Thank you so much, I have learnt a lot but I have still a lot to learn!! Let me know now what do you think, if possible indicate the sentences that you see as not good enough yet!. Thank you for your patience :-)

--Astro.gianca (talk) 20:37, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you!!!

Hi Ipigott, I would like to thank you so much for your mentorship!!!!! It was indeed a challenge, but now the article is there!!!! It was my first time, it was hard for me to enter the wiki way, but now I think I got at least a minimum of it, thanks to all your suggestions!!!! I will continue to improve it, keeping in mind what you taught me. Thank you, thank you, thank youuuuuu!!!!!!

P.S.: I have wrote my user page, as you asked!

Astro.gianca (talk) 20:18, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Astro.gianca, Hello. Welcome to Wikipedia and I hope you are doing well. I wanted to point out that putting your social media platforms on Wikipedia is against the policies. You may want to remove those, otherwise your user page could be deleted. Everything else looks good. Happy editing! :) --ARoseWolf 20:34, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Personal userpages should not be used as social networking service, website, blog, résumé, or cloud. Cheers :) --ARoseWolf 20:39, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf, thank you so much for your hint, I just removed them! Cheers :)

Astro.gianca (talk) 20:43, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from Astro.gianca (19:31, 22 July 2021)

Hi Ipigott, could you please explain wht this warning stands for: "This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. (July 2021)" I didn't receive a single cent for this work, it is totally on my will to add it. So... could you please tell me what should I do to remove it? It is indeed offensive. Thanks for your support. --Astro.gianca (talk) 19:31, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Astro.gianca: Don't worry about this. It's just guesswork. You can comment on the article's talk page.--Ipigott (talk) 19:54, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Ipigott: Thank you, I will just do it, let me just say that this "guesswork" is like a fake news and I thought it was impossible for WIki to use this kind of methods,

--Astro.gianca (talk) 20:08, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Ipigott: By the way, it's really annoying the speed some people have in spitting out prejudices and the slowness they have in taking them back... too easy acting like this... thank you for anything you can do to speed up this nasty process...

--Astro.gianca (talk) 17:47, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Ipigott: I see that there is an "undo" link on the history page for the UPE tag. Is it "legal" to click on it or could I be put "under arrest"?

--Astro.gianca (talk) 17:55, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Astro.gianca: It's not usually a good idea to remove tags on pages you create. You can comment on the talk page.--Ipigott (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Ipigott: I am sorry, I guessed it was not a good idea... I did reply on the Talk page two days ago....

--Astro.gianca (talk) 20:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Ipigott: Hi, I see that the awful tag has been changed in a warning, much much more acceptable. I have worked out to find secondary sources mainly in the TransAstra section, where I cited mainly their website. Now every entry of that page has a secondary source. Could you please indicate me the other weak sources? I don't think NASA, US Patent Office and universities sould be weak...

Thank you for your support! Astro.gianca (talk) 14:01, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Question from Dogs12345678910 (18:30, 23 July 2021)

is there a way to search for videos in wikipedia? --Dogs12345678910 (talk) 18:30, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi Dogs12345678910, Wikipedia is a publicly edited free content online encyclopedia. You may find some short clips embedded in our articles but we are not a social media platform like Twitter or You Tube so video's would be sparse. You can, however, search for a subject in the search bar at the top right of your screen. This may lead you to an article on the subject you are searching for. Please respond here if you need any additional help. --ARoseWolf 18:35, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi there Dogs12345678910 and welcome to Wikipedia. We encourage the use of short videos to illustrate articles. You can find a considerable number at Category Videos on Wikimedia Commons.--Ipigott (talk) 08:36, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

August Editathons from Women in Red

Women in Red | August 2021, Volume 7, Issue 8, Numbers 184, 188, 204, 205, 206, 207 Online events: New: Indigenous women | Women's leadership & empowerment Contest (Jul/Aug/Sep): Latin America contest Continuing: Olympic & Paralympic Games | Women's rights | #1day1woman See also: Interwiki Women Collaboration Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help plan and coordinate future events. Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:26, 23 July 2021 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Contacts

Just to keep you informed, I've contacted active members from the French, Russian, Italian, Hebrew and Persian Wikipedia projects. --ARoseWolf 18:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. That sounds great.--Ipigott (talk) 20:07, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Talk page

Looks like we're having some problems with the lists talk page. It's still defaulting to Wikipedia:Women in Red/Historical overview of projects supporting womenARoseWolf/Wikipedia projects supporting women instead of Wikipedia talk:Women in Red/Historical overview of projects supporting womenrojects supporting women and when you click on the talk page from the list you can't go back to the list without hitting the back button. --ARoseWolf 16:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I know about this but was unable to fix it. I've asked Rosie to sort it out.--Ipigott (talk) 18:31, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf, it's fine now. See: Wikipedia talk:Women in Red/Historical overview of projects supporting women. Rosiestep (talk) 19:01, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Promise Mthembu

Hi! At one point you offered to help if I needed any assistance, and now I'm facing a dilemma. Back in March, I created an article for Promise Mthembu, based on secondary sources. Recently, the subject of the article, without identifying herself as such, went in and deleted the article entirely, replacing it with an official bio. When I flagged it on her talk page, she responded "Please DELETE this profile. This profile reveals personal information I never consented to share with Wikipedia or wish anyone to have access to."

The profile does contain some personal information about her life, which I had included because it is public information and relevant to her activism. How do you think I should handle? Would really appreciate any guidance! -- Bookworm-ce (talk) 18:15, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

a barnstar for you!

	Women in Red Women in Latin America contest
	Ipigott Thank you for your additions July 2021 WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:51, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

• WomenArtistUpdates: Thank you for such a beautiful barnstar even if it was for only five new articles! I'll have to try to do better in August. 122 articles for the first month was slightly better than for Asia and Africa but rather lower than I would have expected. After all, many editors are able to read a bit of Spanish and many of the Latin Americans have had close ties to Europe or North America. Let's hope we can cover many, many more in the next couple of months. One of the problems I have experienced is that many of the links to sources from articles in Spanish or Portuguese are no longer active and coverage of prominent women in biographical dictionaries is minimal compared to their equivalents in Europe. The best bet in many cases is to look for obituaries in the national newspapers but it is sometimes really hard to find them.--Ipigott (talk) 08:15, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

You are welcome Ipigott! I too was disappointed that there was a drop in articles once we moved from Europe. I don't know if the edit-a-thons are a zero sum game, but the activity at the Olympic & Paralympic edit-a-thon is massive. 204 and 205 will be running for the same 3 months. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:00, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

WomenArtistUpdates: Yes indeed, and the overall metrics were the best so far this year. For quantity the Olympic additions are great but many of them are pretty brief. It's very easy to create a few lines on the basis of the official Olympic profiles and it's great to see we're transferring so many red links into blue ones. Some of the biographies will certainly develop in the light of further achievement. As you may have seen from the discussions, sportspeople represent 25% of all biographies with the result that our stats on women are kept quite low given all the sports bios on men, especially on football. In August, I think I'll be creating new articles on some of the Latin Americans and Indigenous women who deserve a well-earned place in the encyclopaedia.--Ipigott (talk) 15:36, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Good to see you're running a contest without my help!!† Encyclopædius 11:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Encyclopædius: Based on your original World Contest of course but now it's been running since last year with Asia, Africa, Europe and now Latin America. If you don't want to participate, you might be interested in enhancing redlists or just mentioning names on the meetup page.--Ipigott (talk) 12:15, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Great, that's what I was envisaging doing, but making it a general contest for each contest and to give prizes for women bios. I'll have to do another destubathon at some point. If I can find decent sources I may find a few articles on Spanish Wikipedia to start to help out. † Encyclopædius 12:23, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Editors can put their articles up on Wikipedia:WikiProject Latin America/The 10,000 Challenge too if interested and they can count towards that.† Encyclopædius 12:27, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

• Encyclopædius: And I think I have hundreds who should be included in the European Challenge. If I have a dull day, I'll try to do something about it. But it really does take time to work on all these lists.--Ipigott (talk) 15:43, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Question from KingOfMP (10:35, 2 August 2021)

Hello, I want to create an Wikipedia page for My organisation. Can you help me??

Tell me some coding --KingOfMP (talk) 10:35, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

• Hi there, KingOfMP, and welcome to Wikipedia. I see you have been blocked for a day or two for adding unsourced material to various articles. I suggest you use The Wikipedia Adventure to gain some basic experience in editing. To answer your question, I strongly advise you not to write about your organization or about people you know. If you add something about your interests on your user page, we may be able to help you further. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 10:48, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Naima Sammad

Naima Sammad is an advocate and a proud daughter of Attock city. She was born on 14 February in Attock city. She did MS Finance from COMSATS University Islamabad Attock Campus. She always remained an intelligent student and possess B.COM, MBA(FINANCE) and LLB degree. She is such an inspiration and example to all girls who belong to small cities where getting education is very difficult. Her willing contributions towards poor and helpless people are irreplaceable and mark-able. Attock History (talk) 10:42, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, Attock History, and welcome to Wikipedia. I've made a quick search for sources related to Naima Sammad but cannot find anything to justify an article about her. Particularly for living people, it is important to have secondary sources which cover the life and achievements of the individual in question. These could include newspaper and journal articles, awards, critical assessments or coverage in published books. I suggest that before you go any further, you try to gain some basic experience in editing with The Wikipedia Adventure. You can find other suggestions under my Welcome on your talk page. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 08:50, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

DRC

I just want to make sure I am good on this, Article 12: wives and children follow the nationality of the husband/father at the moment of the celebration of the marriage or birth?[7] Thanks! SusunW (talk) 22:13, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

SusunW: Could you be more precise? I see there is a section on nationality on p. 139 but I can't see what you are referring to. There are several other Article XII or Title XII in the document.--Ipigott (talk) 07:54, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, on page 142 it starts: "La mariage est régi" then there are 4 quant statements. I am looking at the 2nd and 3rd ones. SusunW (talk) 13:14, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll look more carefully tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 17:17, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much. SusunW (talk) 17:51, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

• SusunW: I'm not really sure whether you are right in your conclusion. What clauses two and three actually say is that (in relation to foreigners), marriage is regulated, insofar as it has an effect on the individuals to be married, by the nationality law under which the husband belonged at the time of marriage; and insofar as it has an effect on the children, by the nationality of the father when they were born.

On p. 139, under 2., it states: ...the wife whose husband has been naturalized and the minor child born before naturalization of a naturalized father become Congolese if as a result they have lost their nationality.

I realize this is all rather confusing but perhaps it coincides with legal texts in other French-speaking countries at the time. Let me know if there are any other clauses causing problems.--Ipigott (talk) 11:04, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it is very confusing. The subtle difference seems to be that foreign wives and children don't derive nationality from the foreign husband, unless the law of where ever he is from says they do? That seems like an administrative nightmare. How is someone in Congo in 1892 going to know what nationality laws were in another country? Surely there must be another clause that talks about what happens when a Congolese woman marries. Back to the search. I appreciate the help so much. SusunW (talk) 14:35, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Question from RichardWJones on User:RichardWJones (10:39, 7 August 2021)

Hi,

I would like to add something to an article and cite it. The citation is to a New York Times article dated 28 March 1928. It does not have an author; rather, it just says, "Special Cable to the New York Times."

In looking at the templates for citing newspaper articles, I see fields for authors, but no guidance for non-authored articles. How do I go about citing it in this case?

Thanks. --Rick Jones (talk) 10:39, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, RichardWJones and welcome to Wikipedia. If the author is not mentioned, just leave the item blank. Hope this helps. If not, please send me a link to the pages you are editing.--Ipigott (talk) 11:09, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Subpages

Rosie expressed the desire to see us utilize subpages to highlight the different WiR workshops, like those from the University of Edinburgh or the University of Irvine. I want to do that. If you had to create the sub page, would you start similar to how the "parent" article/list was started? It's basically a sub list that will be linked to the main list is what I'm thinking. Does that sound right? --ARoseWolf 16:44, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

WiR cake from James Slack of Edinburgh

ARoseWolf: That's going to require a considerable effort and I'm not at all sure where we should draw the line. There have been dozens of workshops associated with our month-by-month priorities over the years, often in the form of physical get-togethers where one of the main goals is to encourage people without previous experience to become editors. I monitor news related to Women in Red and frequently find several announcements, some of which appear to evolve into success stories while others appear to attract little attention. One of the problems is that more and more organizations fail to create meetup pages on Wikipedia, relying on their own webites like A+F or Yale. I would suggest you start with a "Workshops" section on the main list, identifying the more important ones and providing links to their event pages or whatever. If we create subpages, I would imagine the organizers could provide a short history of how the workshops under each heading have evolved over the years. For those which hosted only one event, I see little point in creating a subpage. If you like, you could make a start with Edinburgh which has quite a history from May 2017 and is still going strong. Perhaps you should first create a draft and liaise with Stinglehammer and Victuallers. Hope this helps. And let me know if there's anything more I can do.--Ipigott (talk) 08:45, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Ian. I'm preoccupied with getting situated in this apartment which is my temporary home away from home and also learning the area but I plan to get on this tomorrow. I went for a short walk this morning with my daughter. It was great to get out and especially with her. At least when I wore a mask I didn't look so out of place (lol). It's been very hard trying to get my strength back and I am still coming back from the secondary infection but I'm slowly recovering. It won't happen over night. I thought it was so cute, I sometimes wear a farmers straw hat when I am working out in my greenhouse and my sister-in-law brought it down with her so I wore it today on my walk. It fits better with no hair than it did before. I got some curious looks, probably because of the hat, but nothing sinister which I never actually expected anyway. Nothing could strip away my smile before I ever got to diagnosed and nothing can strip it away now. I love life and I love people. I feel like I don't tell you enough but I think you are so amazing and I really appreciate you. You have been and still are one of my most favorite Wikipedians since the day we met. Thank you for your words of encouragement and for noticing my small contributions. --ARoseWolf 16:58, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf: It's good to hear you are recovering little by little and that you've been able to go out for a walk with your daughter. That must mean a lot. I won't bog you down with too much on Wikipedia assignments at the moment but when you feel up to it you might be interested in viewing the WiR panel at Wikimania. You can find it here on YouTube. Roger has a slide with some of the more important events which should help. Keep smiling!---Ipigott (talk) 06:37, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Question from Thefishyyyyyyy13 (08:32, 17 August 2021)

Hi! I really appreciate the offer of help :) and I do in fact have a question: How do I actually add images to articles? I tried it on my sandbox but it didn't work... May --Thefishyyyyyyy13 (talk) 08:32, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, Thefishyyyyyyy13, and welcome to Wikipedia. The reason you had problems with your image was that the file you used did not exist. I've replaced it with another one which works. On your talk page, I've posted some links which will help you to gain experience in editing. You might like to make a start with The Wikipedia Adventure. Please let me know if you need further assistance. Happy editing.--Ipigott (talk) 08:48, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Ok thanks 🙏 Thefishyyyyyyy13 (talk) 14:44, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Thefishyyyyyyy13: Glad to see you've been continuing to make a few edits. I checked out your contributions to Union of International Mountain Leader Associations and made a few changes. It's not really worth making wikilinks to common terms like "country" but some of the others you made are useful. Let me know if you need further help.--Ipigott (talk) 15:53, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Question from Susanne413113* on User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång (02:32, 20 August 2021)

(Susanne413113* (talk) 02:32, 20 August 2021 (UTC))

Hi there, Susanne413113, and welcome to Wikipedia. Before you make any further edits, you should gain some basic experience, perhaps with The Wikipedia Adventure or with one of the links under "Welcome" on your talk page. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 16:18, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Mentorship

Ian, do you think I would do well as a mentor here on Wikipedia? It's opened up again and they are looking to increase the number to 50 and are currently at 21 listed. Sometimes my desire to help gets in the way of logical thinking so I if you think I would do well then tell me but if you think I need to hold off then tell me, please. My sister-in-law has been watching me as I communicate and edit here and she seems to think I would do well but she's not an editor and she's family so I accept that as it is. --ARoseWolf 19:30, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf, obviously I'm not Ian, but in my unsolicited opinion, I absolutely positively think you'd be great. No one is asking for someone perfect. A gentle guide with passion is a definite plus and you have lots of resources (meaning other editors) you have developed to help you. SusunW (talk) 19:36, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

I knew you were watching (lol). Thank you, Susun. You and Ian have been so special to me from the first day we were introduced. I am far from perfect but you are right that I am made more perfect because of the knowledge, support and love of my friends here. The Wikipedia experience is very enriching and has really allowed me to reflect on myself while editing and improving the encyclopedia. --ARoseWolf 19:45, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

None of us can do this (or life) alone. Had it not been for mentors, I would have left WP the first month. ;) SusunW (talk) 19:52, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm so happy you didn't leave. You are a precious jewel, Susun. --ARoseWolf 20:17, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf: Like Susun I think you would make a great mentor. Just a word of warning though. Of about 16 newcomers I have tried to mentor under this system, only a couple have become successful editors. Nearly all the others stopped editing within a week despite my efforts to encourage them to learn how to edit. A few of them seem to be schoolchildren from the same class who have been registering one by one for fun, frequently with harmful or ridiculous contributions. I believe my mentoring time was better spent when concentrating on newcomers (like Susun and you yourself) where there seemed to be a real chance of a productive editing future from the start. But try it out. You might end up with a better set of new editors than I have up to now.--Ipigott (talk) 08:03, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

We'll give it a go. I prepared myself for similar results. I've followed you during your mentoring and you did a remarkable job with each of them. What you experienced is just the reality of what happens across the board on Wikipedia. Most new accounts wont edit past a few weeks if at all. I joined as a host on the Teahouse because I wanted to get a taste of what it was like to assist others. Its about the same as what you experienced here though if I can help one editor then its worth it to me. I do believe we were destined to meet the way we did and at the time we did. I am very thankful for that meeting. You both are so incredible. --ARoseWolf 16:03, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf: That's good to hear. Helping others is often the best way of helping ourselves. Let me know if you run into any problems.--Ipigott (talk) 18:54, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks, Ipigott, for creating so many talk pp for my articles and for your welcome to Women in Red. Far from being paid (I wish!) I started writing for Wikipedia as a pandemic project while quarantining at home. I hope to continue now that I’m vaxed and life is returning to normal, but probably won’t be as prolific. Is there any kind of chat group/talk p (I don’t know the terminology) for people working on female composers? Cheers, 108.48.150.13 (talk) 13:36, 26 August 2021 (UTC) Oops! The entry above is actually from me - I got a new computer and hadn’t noticed that I needed to log in again. Thanks for the Barnstar, it made my day! I hope you have a good one as well! T. E. Meeks (talk) 13:51, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

T. E. Meeks: I don't know of any discussion group specifically on female composers but among those interested in classical music are Smerus, Gerda Arendt, Aklein62, Steinbach, Voceditenore, 4meter4, Tim riley and Ser Amantio di Nicolao, Many other editors (like me) spend some of their time on music and musicians. If you have any specific queries, I might be able to help. And you are always welcome to use the talk page of Women in Red which is widely read.--Ipigott (talk) 14:51, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

T. E. Meeks: I really think it would be a good idea for you to create a user page where you could include the Women in Red user box and your barnstar. You could simply introduce yourself there as you did here and on your Women in Red registration: "I started writing articles on female composers as a pandemic project while quarantining at home. I hope to continue along the same lines now that life is returning to normal." If you need any assistance, just let me know.--Ipigott (talk) 15:37, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

September 2021 at Women in Red

Women in Red | September 2021, Volume 7, Issue 9, Numbers 184, 188, 204, 205, 207, 208 Online events: New: Women writers & their works Contest (Jul/Aug/Sep): Latin America contest Continuing: Women's leadership & empowerment | Olympic & Paralympic Games Women's rights | #1day1woman See also: Interwiki Women Collaboration Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage. Learn more about our proposed one-day online recruitment initiative in October. Help plan and coordinate future events. Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Follow Women in Red on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

--Rosiestep (talk) 22:29, 26 August 2021 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Thank You Again!

Ipigott, thank you for adding so many composers to the birth year list. I’m having a very busy month and can’t put much time on Wikipedia right now but hope to be back in October and will work then on some of the administrative things you suggested - T. E. Meeks (talk) 01:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

T. E. Meeks: Very observant of you. I'll try to add a few more each day as time permits. You might like to reply directly to my messsages on your talk page, simply pinging me with the u|user name inside two curly brackets, as I have done here. This makes it easier for others to follow the flow of discussions. In any case, it's far more important to create new articles than to include them in lists, etc. I'm looking forward to your continuing efforts in October.--Ipigott (talk) 06:25, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Question from MoonlightVector (18:58, 31 August 2021)

Hello, Im wondering if you can send some people to help review and fully translate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:List_of_islands_of_Greece_by_area --MoonlightVector 18:58, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Question from MoonlightVector (19:43, 31 August 2021)

Another thing, I want you to assess this article again, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vere_Bird_Jr. It has been assessed over 9 years ago and it should be time to do it again. Its not a GA anymore but probably a B or A --MoonlightVector 19:43, 31 August 2021 (UTC)