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This template was considered for deletion on 2009 January 24. The result of the discussion was "keep".

This template was considered for deletion on 2014 March 27. The result of the discussion was "no consensus".

US Senate approval

Let's remember folks. We don't add names to this Template, until Cabinet nominees get US Senate approval & are sworn-in. GoodDay (talk) 18:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

True. As a compromise between removing it and keeping it in, I have commented out Rahm Emanuel's name until he is confirmed. --harej 22:11, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why, incidentally? Wouldn't this template be ten times more useful if we added names as soon as an official named spokesperson of the transition team/administration had said they were going to put them forward, and asterisk those who have yet to be confirmed and sworn in? ciphergoth (talk) 09:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, that's what ended up happening, and they were added in in comments. I decided to be bolder and UNcomment them, but label them as secretaries-designate. —harej // change the rules 00:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

UN Ambassador

Anyone know how to add the section in? Therequiembellishere (talk) 02:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Confirmations

Are the votes held on the same day as the schedule? Therequiembellishere (talk) 02:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Gates

My opinion is that since he is serving as defense secretary for a new administration, his term should be listed as having started in 2009. Yet as a holdover of the Bush administration, plus the fact that his service has not been interrupted, the case can also be made that 2006 should be listed as the start date. What is the best course of action? Is there a precedent of inter-presidency cabinet members we can use? —harej // change the rules 02:06, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My opinion would be to use 2006, with perhaps a note. Grsz ¹¹ 02:26, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh, I like that idea. —harej // change the rules 03:17, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But I dont know how to fit it in. Grsz ¹¹ 03:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've edited the master cabinet infobox template before. It's possible. —harej // change the rules 03:22, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I figured it would have to be in the infobox template, maybe adding a notes field. Grsz ¹¹ 03:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Robert Gates was appointed by George W. Bush and nominated to continue under Obama.", or something of that sort. Grsz ¹¹ 03:26, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it should list 2006 as the start date. A note about how he was asked to stay on can be added. Ngchen (talk) 20:29, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with all of the above opinion (i.e. 2006, but with a note). --Cybercobra (talk) 22:07, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He may be serving under a new president, but the tell tail sign here is that congress did not need to re-approve his appointment in 2009. Even congress knows that he began in 2006.--Jojhutton (talk) 18:30, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I think there is no need to add any extra text explaining that President Obama reappointed him to the position. The U.S. Department of Defense site states that he "was sworn in on December 18, 2006." It is understood that he was appointed under President Bush and reappointed by Mr. Obama if it is simply stated that his tenure began in 2006. Other explanations would be extraneous. -Kanogul ^(talk) 03:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think we're all overthinking this. When was Robert Gates's term as SecDef? The answer is 2006 to present, and nobody has put forward a cogent reason why we should list 2009 instead. —Bdb484 (talk) 01:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I came here to change that, and apparently everybody agrees with me. I am changing it now. We can leave the footnote at the bottom for clarification. SineSwiper (talk) 02:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I personally would reverse it. After all, it looks quite odd to have membership of one member of the Obama cabinet - the Obama administration which only started on Jan 20, 2009 - start in 2006. Which is nearly three years before the Obama administration started. This is about Obama's cabinet, not about Gates' total tenure. It would thus make more sense to have a footnote behind Gates' name explaining he was originally confirmed in 2006. -- fdewaele, 4 May 2011, 14:35 CET.

Wrapping

This template doesn't appear to behave well with text. See Presidency of Barack Obama. --Geniac (talk) 22:47, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re the temporary replacement of Navbox format for this template

I temporarily have replaced this template's usual Navbox format with some code from a wikitable, until such time as the former format is apporpriate in an aricle somewhere. Note that the template in its present form is currently used at Presidency of Barack Obama. ↜Just me, here, now … 20:51, 25 January 2009 (UTC) Striked? ↜Just me, here, now … 05:51, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing code

The code is beyond me. I've tried several times in the past to change it but I've always gotten something wrong. Could somebody add the UN Ambassador to it so Rice can be put in? Therequiembellishere (talk) 05:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I can add it in over at {{Infobox U.S. Cabinet}}, which is what this template uses. I'm currently working on adding a "Footnotes" field for defining designates and notes (particularly about Robert Gates), but after that goes through, I'll add in the code for Rice. --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 06:24, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Holder confirmed

Supporting link. ↜Just me, here, now … 01:06, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Gates

I fixed Gates tenure to 2009- present, as it's not unusual for cabinet members to serve in back-to-back cabinets. See William Seward, Dean Rusk, Henry Kissinger, for example. GoodDay (talk) 19:03, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That seems fine with the note at the bottom. Grsz¹¹ 03:28, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sebelius's name afloat

Link. ↜Just me, here, now … 06:19, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If she is officially announced by Obama as the nominee for the Department of Health and Humans Services, then she should be added. Howard Dean is also being floated as a possible pick as well, so like I said, please don't readd her to the cabinet list until there is an actual announcement by the president. Jason (talk) 02:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reuters is reporting it's Sebelius. Now, I agree with not putting her name in the infobox until Obama officially nominates her, or at least until the White House explicitly confirms it'll be Sebelius, but leaving her out is inconsistent with the precedent set by putting Gil Kerlikowske in the 'box. Thoughts? --Kudzu1 (talk) 23:03, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like decision is we don't put in any names that haven't been formally submitted for nomination. --Kudzu1 (talk) 00:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is fine if we go ahead and add Sebelius and Kerlikowske, as there is at least the fact that both have accepted Obama's personal nomination for both cabinet positions. If either ends up not being the nominee, they can be removed and replaced, but as of right now, both are expected to be brought before the senate for confirmation sometime in the near future. Jason (talk) 02:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Neither has been formally named, and nothing has moved on the Kerlikowske nomination since The Seattle Times reported he was picked two weeks ago. They are not nominees yet. --Kudzu1 (talk) 05:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If someone else is picked in the end, they can be replaced. But from the sources we have now, both Kerlikowske and Sebelius should be left on the template. Jason (talk) 07:33, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

CEA

The Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers is a cabinet-level officer of the Obama Administration. Would someone be able to add this? Therequiembellishere (talk) 16:59, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And now the Administrator of the SBA is a Cabinet member. I'm afraid I am very incapable of changing the code myself. Therequiembellishere (talk) 06:59, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the mentioning of the SBA's elevation but it doesn't show :-( -- fdewaele, 12 April 2013.

You're right. I don't know why that. I'm going to remove the parameters which don't show. --Checco (talk) 21:01, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

For clarification purposes, the reason it didn't show is because no one added the parameters to Template:Infobox U.S. Cabinet - the template used here. For some odd reasons, nobody has bothered to add them for years until now. I could be mistaken, and it might have been added before (but were removed for whatever purposes). Anyway, both CEA and SBA should show up now. Samhiuy (talk) 16:11, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

New picture or image title?

The current picture dates from almost exactly four years ago, towards the end of President Obama's first term, when Hillary Clinton was still Secretary of State, Eric Holder Attorney-General, and Janet Napolitano Secretary of Homeland Security.

Could someone either insert a caption about its date (I haven't figured out an easy way to do this) or find and insert a more current image?

Thanks.

—— Shakescene (talk) 20:26, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]