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RIAA search parsing link

Recently, I saw other songs' RIAA search link, these result shows empty, especially Wind Beneath My Wings if I can remember correctly last month that RIAA link was ok, plus Diana (album) and above-mentioned Arthur's Theme (Best That You Can Do), and other Time Person of the Year Taylor Swift Exile (song), Evermore (Taylor Swift album), Midnights and other like Wrapped in Red, Save Me (Jelly Roll song)...to me it's seemed recently RIAA website has some problem...so I guessing it has nothing to do with this template...am I right? (For the time being if I had encounter similar problem I would put a <certref> workaround..) --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 05:38, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Also just found out Roam RIAA search link not working too, it was working 2 weeks ago (at least when I tried update to remove apostrophe at that time) --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 04:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, the RIAA search is not working for some time now from direct links, only manual links do. Do you think it would help if I add the comment "Manual searching is required." to all the RIAA links? Muhandes (talk) 08:47, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

If it is me, I would say (Please manually enter an URL using certref=(ref)...(/ref)) for now.

I just now looking at the template.

(I happened to found RIAA website erratic for past 2 weeks, since 27 December)

(Also as I found out during Special:Diff/1192026000, if I were to replace ar= with se= (For say se=Christopher+Cross or se=Diana instead of ar, it will show the correct result) --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 09:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I missed - Solidest Special:Diff/1192156895 found out that RIAA will show nothing if enter something in <<Artist>> and nothing more, which is why I guessed that problem lies with <<Artist>>, and so is <<ar>> and replace with <<se>> and it seemed to work. --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 09:26, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@Cat12zu3: We could temporarily replace ar+ti+format with se, but that would mean using a generic search where there are better solutions. As you noticed, ar+format searches do work, e.g., all Taylor Swift's singles, as do ti searches, e.g., all recordings with the word "Exile", but ar+ti or ti+format searches seem to fail. If this observation is correct, I could implement either ar+format or ti as temporary solutions, and I think both are better than se. Muhandes (talk) 10:10, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I stuck most of the time on Arthur's Theme (Best That You Can Do) & If I Could Tell You...at the moment is these Arthur's Theme If I Could Tell You...will back get here soon. --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 11:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I think if I would leave the template as it is --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 11:28, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, if no one is interested in a solution, I would consider this a  Request withdrawn. Muhandes (talk) 11:38, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

NVPI certifications

NVPI have updated their web page for certifications to https://nvpi.nl/nvpi-audio/marktinformatie/goud-platina-diamant/ to reflect the introduction of diamond certifications. The thresholds for the other levels also appear to have changed according to their regulations document, but the numbers don't round up nicely when converting streams to units. The template needs to be updated as the old link no longer works. ThedancingMOONpolice (talk) 05:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@ThedancingMOONpolice: I apologize for not finding the time to do this until now. I am very busy these days, but sadly, no one else has stepped forward to keep this template updated.

• I updated the URL, it should now work.
• I updated NVPI with the new certification levels.
• I am working on making the template spit out the correct numbers, though like you said, they are not rounding up nicely. Another thing I noted is that up to now, the certification levels were based on release date. I'm not sure this was ever true, but I'm almost certain it is no longer true, i.e., the new certification levels apply to all certifications made from 2024 onwards, independent of release date. Is that also your impression? --Muhandes (talk) 13:00, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I noticed another issue. Jazz and classical certifications applied to albums only before 2024, where now it seems like it might apply to singles as well. It would be very difficult to implement this, so for now I will leave it be until we see actual single Jazz certifications. --Muhandes (talk) 14:55, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done I went with certification date for 2024 onwards and release date prior to that, to maintain backwards compatibility. I implemented jazz albums only (through |type=jazz). Let me know if there are any issues. --Muhandes (talk) 15:22, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Portugal certifications

AFP has updated the Portuguese certification levels for albums and singles, adding a diamond certification for the first time. Every song, regardless of its release date will now be counted towards the new thresholds. The table needs to be updated with those please. Source: https://www.audiogest.pt/documents/files/Novo%20Regulamento%20_%20TOP%20e%20Galard%C3%A3o_Vers%C3%A3o_Final_20240109.pdf ManuelButera (talk) 23:41, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

2024 ARIA

Could someone update the 2024 ARIA accreditations links for both albums and singles? [1] [2]. Ippantekina (talk) 11:01, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Australian certifications

URLs for newly released 2024 certifications by ARIA:

Albums: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/k9o2q7p7o4awhqx/AACmNLVzO9Ob5MeNhMvsiMsda?dl=0&preview=Jan+2024+Albums+Accreditations.pdf

Singles: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/k9o2q7p7o4awhqx/AACmNLVzO9Ob5MeNhMvsiMsda?dl=0&preview=Jan+2024+Singles+Accreditations.pdf Music01 (talk) 22:23, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Music01, the biggest problem here is that Dropbox files fail WP:USERG. They don't have a named author or publisher, and anybody can log in to Dropbox and change the information. Another big problem is that the links you provided are already dead. We need stable URLs for certification. Binksternet (talk) 21:59, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Spanish certifications

PROMUSICAE have officially launched a proper database. Please add it to the template as soon as possible, there are many missing certifications that are now available to users: https://www.elportaldemusica.es/awards GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 21:33, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

This would definitely be helpful for digital certifications as, for example. What I've Done was certified gold this year but didn't chart in Spain. Otherwise Numb (Linkin Park song) went platinum in 2023 but the song's link only has their gold certification. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:46, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

https://www.elportaldemusica.es/awards/index?AwardsSearch%5Bartist%5D=LINKIN+PARK&AwardsSearch%5Btitle%5D=WHAT+I%27VE+DONE&AwardsSearch%5Byear%5D=&AwardsSearch%5Bweek%5D=&AwardsSearch%5Bgroup%5D=&AwardsSearch%5Baward%5D= FireDragonValo (talk) 18:50, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Found it.

! scope="row" | Spain (PROMUSICAE) | Platinum | 60,000^‡ |-

FireDragonValo (talk) 20:56, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

References

Swedish single certifications

As of January 1, 2024, the thresholds for single certifications in Sweden have increased to 6,000,000 streams for gold status and 12,000,000 streams for platinum status. The template should be updated to reflect this. ThedancingMOONpolice (talk) 03:08, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@ThedancingMOONpolice:  Done. I am unable to watch this page, so if anything else is needed, please try to {{ping}} me. Muhandes (talk) 07:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

South Africa certification thresholds

The certification level thresholds have increased for certifications for 2024 onwards see here. Would you be so kind to update when you get a chance? Cool Marc ✉ 18:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@Coolmarc:  Done To invoke the new thresholds you need to specify |certyear=2024. Earlier certifications for albums still follow the release date (see source here). Muhandes (talk) 08:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Portugal singles threshold

Hey guys, could you add the "Diamond" threshold to Portugual singles certifications? The AFP added a "Diamond" certification status to singles (as of 2024, as you can see on the Associação Fonográfica Portuguesa page) that's not supported by the template yet.

Thanks, Music01 (talk) 23:28, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

@Music01:  Done. I am unable to watch this page, so if anything else is needed, please try to {{ping}} me. Muhandes (talk) 07:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I take that back. This was, Partially implemented. I reviewed the source and there are more changes that need to be made. I am repinging Music01 and also pinging ManuelButera who made a similar request. I added two more elements.

• First, albums certifications from 2024 are based on streaming as well as physical sales.
• Second, the new certification levels for both singles and albums apply to all certifications from 2024, independently of their release date.

I hope this may now be considered  Done now. Let me know if I still missed anything and hopefully I am able to add it. --Muhandes (talk) 10:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Lithuanian certifications

Hello! On 26 April 2024, AGATA awarded songs as certified gold (for 2.5 million streams) and platinum (for 4 million streams), albeit the songs awarded are only those by Lithuanian artists. Would it be enough to warrant a separate template for them?

Link: https://www.agata.lt/lt/naujienos/agata-apdovanojimuose-pagerbti-klausomiausi-atlikejai/

Big thanks! CeolAnGhra (talk) 06:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@CeolAnGhra: Do they have a database of past certifications? Do you intend to use that database intensively? If the answer to both is positive, it is justifiable to add it, provided of course that someone is available to do it. Otherwise, you can always use the template manually with |certref= and |salesref=. Muhandes (talk) 07:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I think it's the first time that they awarded these certifications, so the answer to the first question is a no. Also, it looks like AGATA only awards Lithuanian songs.

Thanks for the response! CeolAnGhra (talk) 12:03, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Austrian certification thresholds

Whenever I updated or added the Austrian certification for example: <x>Certification Table Entry|region=Austria|title=Duality|artist=Slipknot|type=single|award=Platinum|access-date=May 8, 2024|relyear=2004|certyear=2024<x/>, it always ends up: Austria (IFPI Austria) Platinum 30,000* instead of 30,000‡. The template should be updated to reflect this. So could you please be kind to update when you got the chance? Thank you. FireDragonValo (talk) 16:53, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

@FireDragonValo: You hare probably correct as all certification authorities probably use streaming these days. However, we need a source to make sure and we need to know when this practice started. I will try to figure out what this document says with Google translate, but we may need a German speaker to make sure we understand correctly. Muhandes (talk) 07:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@FireDragonValo: Update: The current implementation is based on this discussion. Namely, streaming only applies when for singles released as of January 1, 2015, and for albums released as of January 1, 2017. This is why for "Duality", released in 2004, the footnote is the sales footnote ^* and not the streaming footnote ^‡.

To verify the sources, the current guidelines document states in item 12 Für das Erreichen der Prämierungsgrenzen werden bei Singles für Veröffentlichungen ab dem 1.1.2015 auch Premium-Streams und ab dem 1.7.2023 zusätzlich auch „Free Streams“ mitgezählt. Bei Alben werden Premium-Streams für Veröffentlichungen ab dem 1.1.2017 berücksichtigt. Google translates it to to To reach the award limits, premium streams for singles for releases from 1/1/2015 and from 1/7/2023 also "free streams" are counted. For albums, premium streams for releases from 1/1/2017 are taken into account. This conforms with the current implementation.

Checking the archives, the same text exists in the July 2023 version of the document as well as the May 2017 version. Earlier than May 2017, I don't think streaming was used for certification. However, the consensus at the time was to ignore this short gap (2015 to May 2017) and go by the release date only. If someone is concerned, this could be fixed.

The bottom line is that I see no reason to change anything. --Muhandes (talk) 12:59, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Right-justify for numbers

Can the template be adjusted so that number fields are right justified? (Hohum ^@) 14:00, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

@Hohum: I tested it in the sandbox, and to me, right justification looks worse than left justification due to the unnecessary whitespace. You can see for yourself at Template:Certification Table Entry/testcases until the sandbox edit is undone. You can also edit the sandbox version yourself if you think there is a better way to do it. Muhandes (talk) 13:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for testing. Surely the whitespace within the column is the same, just on the other side? There is more whitespace between entries in the "Certification" column and numbers in the final column though. Perhaps center justify the "Certification column" to ease this? Either way, numbers really ought to be right justified (imo), it makes it far easier to see their relative sizes, and is pretty standard practice for number presentation in tabular format. (Hohum ^@) 15:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Hohum: This seems to come down to personal preference. I’m not bothered by whitespace on the right, but whitespace in the middle is an issue for me, outweighing the benefits of right justification. This might even be a cultural preference. The table has been formatted this way for over 13 years, and this is the first request to change it, suggesting it may not be a significant concern. However, if other editors think it’s important, I’m open to making the change. Also, while searching the logs for similar requests, I found this request, which makes sense to me. Muhandes (talk) 07:43, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. I appreciate that you considered it. I can't find any specific MOS advice on left/right justification of number in tables either. (Hohum ^@) 16:43, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

South Africa (RiSA)

As of 1 January 2024, the Recording Industry of South Africa had their certification levels changed. I was planning to tabulate the change in streams and units but I figured this would be enough. (special ping: Muhandes) dxneo (talk) 20:35, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

@Dxneo: The first thing to do would be to update the article. As for the template, I'm not sure what to do with this. Say an album/single was released on June 2023 and certified on March 2024. Most sales are still before January 2024 so they follow the old sales figure, but some follow the new figure. The only sure fact is that albums/singles released from 2024 are following the new figures. What do you think? Muhandes (talk) 07:04, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I honestly don't know. It would've been easier if they updated all recordings do this new figure (maybe they did and we don't know). I was thinking South Africa2, then we will try to update recent use South Africa looking the certification date and since there's not that much South African music on this site it won't take that long. Then maybe put a notice on both templates to alarm editors to check the dates before proceeding ( proceed with caution). I don't know if I make any sense at all, but what's your suggestion? dxneo (talk) 12:16, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

And another thing that has been bothering me for years is why United States and most other identifiers like United Kingdom, their template URL lead directly to the specified certification but South Africa doesn't. I mean why isn't it like this ? dxneo (talk) 12:23, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@Dxneo: This was never done because no one suggested it. I will look into it. One thing I am not looking into is verifying the 182+ articles using this citation, see Category:Certification Table Entry usages for South Africa (195). Follow up on Template talk:Cite certification, where this suggestion belongs. Muhandes (talk) 12:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@Dxneo: Actually, no follow-up needed—I just went ahead and quickly implemented it. Wadayanow, after 44 years of writing code, it worked on the first try, at least from the few checks I made. Let me know if you find any problems.  Done on this one. --Muhandes (talk) 17:59, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Great, it's working just fine. Thank you. dxneo (talk) 18:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Dxneo, I just realized that I already implemented this change in June. It seems like I didn't notice the discrepancy I mentioned above and I simply went by |certyear=. On retrospect, I suggest we correct the sales figure to follow |relyear=. For example, Come Closer (Wizkid song) was certified 4× Platinum in June 2024. However, as the album was released in 2017, most sales are probably before 2024. All we can say for sure is that at least 80,000 units were sold, so this is what we should list, instead of 160,000. Muhandes (talk) 12:36, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@Dxneo: What do you think? Muhandes (talk) 10:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello Muhandes, sorry for replying so late. I honestly don't know how to move about this. However, what I know is that the sales figures have to be updated to keep the encyclopedia up to date. I honestly think that RiSA took this into consideration before implementing this big change. What I mean is that I think they have updated the units on each and every recording on the website. Problem is that unlike RIAA, RiSA doesn't display units. Thoughts? dxneo (talk) 01:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Nigeria

Hello Muhandes, sorry for directly pinging, but you are usually the only one who helps with this kind of things. I think I finally found TurnTable Certification System of Nigeria's certification level (here). Let me know what you think. dxneo (talk) 09:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@Dxneo: I don't see a reason why it cannot be added. I suppose the certifications are on the tab which says "Display", not the one which says "Eligible Songs", am I correct? Muhandes (talk) 12:22, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes sir, you are correct. dxneo (talk) 12:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Not sure why they made "eligible songs" and "display" since they both literally show the same thing. dxneo (talk) 12:36, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Dxneo: Indeed, a mystery. You will also notice certifications from 2025, so this seems a little amateurish. Nevertheless, no one objected to this request or the article, so I added |region=Nigeria as an option.  Done Muhandes (talk) 19:40, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I just tested it on "Baddest Boy", and it works fine, but I had to use |salesamount= for units. dxneo (talk) 20:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@Dxneo: You used |type=song instead of |type=single and |award=platinum instead of |award=Platinum. You also made a mistake at the bottom, |streamsonly=true instead of |streaming=true. Muhandes (talk) 20:14, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Just that I looked for the parameters on the template and I didn't find any. You the best. dxneo (talk) 20:31, 26 October 2024 (UTC)