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14 May additions to the persons list

A number of recent additions to the associated people list should be removed. It's not at all clear why people such as Edsel Ford or Alfred Salon were added to this list. Ford's article makes no mention of anything related to antisemitism and the connection at Salon is weak as well. I have similar concerns with a number of the other recent additions. Springee (talk) 14:12, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. And there is even less justification for the addition of Che Guevara and Enver Hoxha. I have also removed these undue and undiscussed additions. RolandR (talk) 16:53, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

I feel the list is a bit arbitrary. I'm not sure the following are sufficiently prominent and/or prominent as antisemites, to be included: Baked Alaska, Arthur J. Jones, Ernest G. Liebold, Rick Wiles, Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, Horia Sima, A. C. Cuza, Octavian Goga, Gheorghe Buzatu, Nae Ionescu, Nichifor Crainic, Ioan Slavici, Revilo P. Oliver. It feels a bit presentist and US-centric: I'm not sure so many US right-wing activists should be listed, but I'm not sure which count as the most prominent. On the other hand, I would propose adding Heinrich von Treitschke, Wilhelm Marr, Richard Wagner, Karl Lueger, Father Coughlin, Charles Lindbergh, Charles Maurras. BobFromBrockley (talk) 12:19, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

I also removed Revilo P. Oliver as our article on him doesn't have a citation for claim he was antisemitic, and he's not notable in a history of antisemitism. We need to make the list less arbitrary. Any thoughts? BobFromBrockley (talk) 11:39, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Agree, though it might be tricky, as this is not something for which I anticipate clear inclusion criteria. A simple if insufficient exclusion criteria would be: "the theme of antisemitism must be a significant portion of the subject's article". This was our explanation for excluding several subjects, and I think it is quite reasonable. Freelance-frank (talk) 12:01, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Good suggestion Freelance-frank. I think that works well. BobFromBrockley (talk) 16:15, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

But also we'd need to be confident the figure was prominent enough (as well as notable for antisemitism enough) for inclusion. I'd suggest a metric might be something like: are they mentioned on the main antisemitism page or is there a good reason to think they could be. BobFromBrockley (talk) 14:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

• I also noticed that Stepan Bandera was included. Yes, he held anti-Russian, anti-Polish and yes, antisemitic views. But was he notable specifically for his antisemitism? My understanding that the answer is "no". My very best wishes (talk) 13:54, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

I double checked sources, and it indeed appears that the OUN was notable primarily for anti-Polish (and also anti-Russian) sentiment. Sure, most of the guys in this organization, possibly including Bandera, were also antisemites, but that was not something they primarily known for. Given no objections so far, I am going to remove it. My very best wishes (talk) 00:52, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Zionist POV

@User:Vitamortisachla "anti-Zionist antisemitism is far more prevalent" is your opinion, which I disagree with. Removing the link to the article seems to be a case of "I just don't like it". You are free to create an article on Anti-Zionist antisemitism if you so please. The solution here is to add more information to Wikipedia, not to censor it by removing things we don't like. I'd be happy to help you locate sources for your new article if you choose to create it. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 00:17, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

@User:Vitamortisachla Furthermore, your assertion that the sidebar insufficiently includes mention of anti-Zionist antisemitism is belied by the presence of the article on New antisemitism, which describes the notion that anti-Zionism is merely a disguise for antisemitism. Your claim is further belied by the presence of Three Ds of antisemitism, Working Definition of Antisemitism, Antisemitism in the UK Labour Party, Andinia Plan, Doctors' plot, Zionist Occupation Government conspiracy theory, and other articles that mention actual or alleged examples of anti-Zionist antisemitism. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 09:09, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Dreyfus Affair in tropes

Can an editor please give the justification/explanation of why the dreyfus affair is in the tropes section and not the persecution section? ModernMephisto (talk) 20:46, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

I see your point, but the persecution article doesn't mention Dreyfus, while the tropes article does. This may be better brought up in the talk page for the Persecution article, or just boldly added wherever it fits in there. DFlhb (talk) 20:53, 28 December 2022 (UTC)