Template:Did you know nominations/Ngiam Tong Dow

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The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 talk 02:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Ngiam Tong Dow

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... that Singapore's first and largest purchase of gold from South Africa was completed in 1968 by comparing two halves of a United States one-dollar bill?

Source: "In 1968, we went to the World Bank meeting. The South Africans were there and we invited the South African Finance Minister to our hotel room."

"Dr Goh wanted to buy gold at a fixed price, rather than a floating market price. So we agreed to buy 100 tons, a substantial amount, at $40 US dollars." "Then he took out his US one dollar note. And sliced it into halves! Just like that. He gave half to me and said, "You keep this. I will keep the other half and my man will meet you in Switzerland."" "I handed the sliced US dollar note over. He took out the other half. It matched! The serial numbers were the same."

Ngiam, Tong Dow. A Mandarin and the Making of Public Policy: Reflections by Ngiam Tong Dow. ISBN: 978-9971-69-350-3

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Created by BenTanXiaoMing (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 09:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: v/r - T P 15:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@BenTanXiaoMing: @TParis: This hook violates WP:EGG, and the claim that it is/was the "largest" purchase is never mentioned in the article, just that it was the first. A new hook is needed. Kimikel (talk) 03:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

@Kimikel: "Largest" was in there at the time of the review. It was removed in this edit by @Justanothersgwikieditor:. I've added it in with a new ref. And the hook is fine. No one expects to find an article titled "purchase of gold from South Africa". But here is an alt anyway.--v/r - T P 13:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that Ngiam Tong Dow negotiated Singapore's first and largest purchase of gold from South Africa in 1968 by comparing two halves of a United States one-dollar bill?

ALT1 is good to go. Nobody would reasonably infer that a link saying "purchase of gold from South Africa was completed" would lead to a page about a Singaporean civil servant, so ALT0 is not fine, per WP:EGG. Kimikel (talk) 23:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

You're just going to skim over the fact that you accused me of lazily not verifying the original hook without checking the article's history?--v/r - T P 01:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

I did not "accuse" of you of anything. I simply noted that the article and the hook did not match, which is a requirement for DYK. Get over yourself. Kimikel (talk) 02:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Because it had been changed after the review. Geeze, some people--v/r - T P 02:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@BenTanXiaoMing and TParis:

I wouldn't call an autobiography a reliable source for a claim like this, unless it was clear someone independently fact-checked and verified it. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron: Thanks for highlighting the issue! I managed to find a few more sources to support the claim. Added it to the article. BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 07:45, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

@TParis and Theleekycauldron: Is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done?--Laun chba ller 14:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer and BenTanXiaoMing: I think the best source for the claim would be Bold Vision: The Untold Story of Singapore’s Reserves and Its Sovereign Wealth Fund, by Freddy Orchard? It's what the AFR source is quoting. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@BenTanXiaoMing: Please address the above as this times out in 36 hours.--Laun chba ller 12:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: Apologies for the delayed response. Thanks to theleekycauldron for highlighting the original source. I've added it as a citation in the article as that is the best source so far to back up the claim.— Preceding unsigned comment added by BenTanXiaoMing (talk • contribs)

Pinging @Theleekycauldron:, as pings don't work if you don't sign.--Laun chba ller 13:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: Thanks for the ping and heads up! Will take note. BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 06:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@BenTanXiaoMing and Launchballer: Please note that technically, the nomination already timed out a couple of days ago. However, as issues are currently being addressed, a one-week extension from the 23rd might be fine to fix any issues. So for the nomination to not be closed, it is suggested to address any remaining issues by the 30th. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for the heads up! Are there any remaining outstanding issues? ALT1 seems good to me. Thank you. BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 11:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Launchballer and Leeky were the ones with article concerns so it would be better to ask them. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Still needs an end-of-sentence citation. Not sure why this wasn't flagged earlier.--Laun chba ller 11:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Will the source mentioned by theleekycauldron suffice? Thanks! BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 02:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Should do.--Laun chba ller 11:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Good to hear that! Hope it will be approved soon. BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 05:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry if I wasn't clear. That source will suffice once it is added to the article.--Laun chba ller 00:31, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

I've added the sources at the end of the paragraph in the article. Thank you! BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 01:07, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

It looks to me as though all of the issues raised after the first review have been very satisfactorily dealt with. ALT1 works well, and is appropriately sourced. Interesting article; now good to go.Chaiten1 (talk) 16:50, 30 November 2024 (UTC)