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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:08, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

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Make Me an Egghead

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  • ... that Debatable and Make Me an Egghead were both commissioned for 20 half-hour episodes and five 45-minute episodes, and aired in adjacent time slots?

Created by Launchballer (talk), Wonderwizard (talk), and Nigej (talk). Nominated by Launchballer (talk) at 09:05, 29 August 2016 (UTC).

  • ALT0 is absolutely fascinating! EEng 18:54, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Agreed, this hook is really dull, if accepted this will just get rejected at WT:DYK. Joseph2302 10:35, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Note: I've struck the hook as clearly failing the interesting requirement at DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:14, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that the man replaced by Make Me An Egghead's victors was later arrested on suspicion of murder? I'm not feeling 100%, I'll come back later to think of one for Debatable.--Launchballer 17:16, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Pretty sure ALT1 is a BLP violation/undue, as CJ de Mooi's arrest shouldn't be the main thing in the hook about the show. Also, he's been arrested but not found guilty. Joseph2302 18:02, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
I was about to say the same thing -- too bad, since it would have made a juicy hook. Is there maybe some hook like, "The all-time champion lost his crown when he couldn't remember the name of the Prince of Wales?" -- something like that? EEng 18:34, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Both hooks have been struck due to significant issues. A new hook will be needed soon if this nomination is to remain open. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:00, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that the panels involved in the making of Debatable included panelists as diverse as a former MP and a rapper?
ALT3: ... that, although two £1,000,000 winners made it, an attempt by a third to become an Egghead saw him fall at the first hurdle?--Launchballer 13:11, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
Does the source mention the diversity? Can't rappers be MPs? EEng 14:40, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
The source confirms that variously there was a rapper and an MP, yes.--Launchballer 18:41, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
I hate to be a stickler, but in that case simply say that panelists included a rapper and a former MP -- I don't think WP should be adding the diversity idea (which really is slightly objectionable IMHO -- after all, Al Franken went from Saturday Night Live comedian to US senator, and a good one at that). I also don't see the point of saying "the panels involved included panelists" i.e.
ALT4 ... that Debatable panelists have included a former MP and a rapper?
EEng 20:16, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
With all due respect to Sen. Franken and deference to your opinion of his work, I think it's fair to say that becoming a federal senator involved a huge amount of code switching and, however excellent an MP a rapper may turn out to be, Launchballer's point was still well taken. That said, your entry is punchier and people can feel the dichotomy (or lack thereof) in their own heads. — LlywelynII 03:08, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT4 G2G for Debatable. 5× expanded 7 days prior to nomination; long enough (~2.2k elig. chars.); earwig finds massive copyvio but it seems to be other sites that cribbed Wikipedia and not the other way round; the article is very badly written—inter alia, for no apparent reason, it repeats the words "TV presenter" six times in a sentence instead of grouping them as "TV presenters"—but I don't think that's dispositive for DYK purposes, just something that should be cleaned up down the road and avoided by the article's writers in the future; the article is in egregious violation of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC but I can fix that easily enough and, again, it's just something to be avoided in the future by the article's writers; the article is currently an utter WP:ORPHAN and should have been linked from somewhere else by its writers (do we have a list of quiz shows page or something? [edit: guess not... though there is this...]) but that's not dispositive for DYK purposes either; QPQ done; hook needed italics for its TV series' title but easy enough to add. — LlywelynII 12:01, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
ALT5: ... that Steve Cooke and Beth Webster are the newest Eggheads? But what was wrong with ALT3?--Launchballer 12:45, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
There were some grammatical mistakes and the fact it made no sense (although that might always draw in more readers), but really I was just saying I didn't review it at all and it needs its own hook, although ALT4 is good to go for Debatable. [Fixed the formatting of ALT5 and grammar on ALT3.] I just didn't want an admin to close both nominations because we were done with the first one. — LlywelynII 02:56, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT6: ... that Debatable has featured a variety of panelists, including a rapper, a cricketer, and a former Member of Parliament? This one could be fun, with minor links to the various people. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 00:23, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT7: ... that both Beth Webster and Julia Hobbs, the women finalists in Make Me an Egghead, have been ranked as "Sages" by the British Quiz Association? Finding possible hooks was hard for this article, but I've added and cited some additional information about the various winners that might be useful. I like this one because it mentions two of the finalists. Not saying which of them won makes it a bit of a teaser hook. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 01:40, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I will note that several of the final paragraphs of the Make Me an Egghead article need to be cited. Other than that, it is New enough, Long enough, Neutral, No copyvios, hook length is okay, QPQ is done. Hooks are still under discussion. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 01:40, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
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  • Launchballer, I have just separated Make Me an Egghead from the joint Debatable/Make Me an Egghead nomination, because at this point these two need to be dealt with as individual nominations. Hooks ALT5 and ALT7 are, as Mary Mark Ockerbloom notes, still under discussion; I have struck all earlier Egghead hooks, plus all of the Debatable hooks. Right now, the significant problem with Make Me an Egghead is that so much of it is unreferenced. This needs to be taken care of, and soon, since the nomination is over three months old. Thank you for your prompt attention. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:36, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
  • New reviewer needed. Referencing has been added; it will be up to the new reviewer to determine whether it is sufficient, and also whether ALT5 and ALT7 check out. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:47, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Fresh review from scratch: Sourcing checks out, nothing at all on Earwig's copyvio and plagiarism detector, new enough at time of nomination, long enough. Both hooks are somewhat interesting, but I like ALT 5 better because of the slight, friendly humor in the designation of two people as "eggheads." My only concern is that source supporting both Make Me an Egghead and Debatable as consisting of 20 half-hour episodes and 5 three-quarter hour episodes only supports Debatable. I'm sure one of the other sources mentions the episode lengths for Make Me an Egghead, so can that be listed as well, Launchballer? That's the only thing holding up this nom.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 04:39, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Done.--Launchballer 10:28, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
good to go now.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 15:48, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
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