Template:Did you know nominations/Lynching of Orion Anderson
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The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 21:34, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
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Lynching of Orion Anderson
- ... that Orion Anderson, aged 14, was murdered by a lynch mob for allegedly scaring a white girl, in Virginia, 1889? Source: https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=136586
Created by Drmies (talk). Self-nominated at 18:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC).
I will review this one for "free".Cielquiparle (talk) 12:54, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
New enough, long enough, no copyvio per Earwig, neutral, has citations. QPQ is done and I will not claim QPQ credit on this review (as explained elsewhere). I'm a little conflicted about the hook: Should it be "allegedly scaring" or "allegedly assaulting"? As a side note, this article has an effective Rashomon-esque narrative structure; my main advice is that The Times actually should be called out once explicitly in the first paragraph, to make it clear from the start that you're telling the story from three points of view. Another note is that I think it's worth calling out in the article that the Anderson's age was exaggerated (i.e., they claimed he was 19 or 20) per the WAMU article. Cielquiparle (talk) 12:54, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
- Cielquiparle, thanks. I see your point about the structure and I made a tweak or two--I think, I hope, that allays your concerns or at least begins to address it. I made the note about the age as well. As for the "scaring" part, I accept the most recent sources, and what's the WAMU article and the report on the historical marker; I'm not giving credence to the racist press of the times. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:10, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Right, I understand the not-wanting-to-give-credence-to-the-racist-press of the times part. I think the original hook is problematic because it could be read to suggest that you are describing what the mob was alleging (what they believed and/or what they claimed), rather than the facts of what likely happened (what you were trying to convey). (Do you see what I mean? The problem may stem from "for allegedly". Who is doing the alleging?) And then when you click on the article, there are a couple of different accounts given, so it's unclear how the hook maps to the article.
- I was getting ready to propose alternative wording to the hook to address this, when I stumbled on additional sources about the lynching which I would like to add to the article. And by changing the article around a bit, your original hook may turn out to be OK (and/or there may be better hooks we could propose). Anyway, at this point I think this will make me a contributor to the article rather than a reviewer. So in the end, you were right, and this article will need a new reviewer. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:42, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Ready for a new review by a new reviewer. Cielquiparle (talk) 13:20, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Proposing the following ALT hook:
- ALT1: ... that Orion Anderson, who was murdered by a lynch mob in Virginia in 1889, was recently found to have been only 14 years old at the time of his death? Source: WAMU 88.5 (June 18, 2019): "According to Thomas, Anderson was not only wrongly accused but falsely villainized. Reports which followed the incident claimed he was 19 or 20 years old. Thomas says it wasn’t until a recent investigation by the Freedom Center, scouring Census records, that Anderson’s correct birth date was discovered."
Still needs a new reviewer. Cielquiparle (talk) 23:59, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
cited and interesting – without further objection, so ordered. clunk theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:56, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
