Template:Did you know nominations/Lil Stoner
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 16:01, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
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Lil Stoner
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Lil Stoner in 1922
- ... that pitcher and "smokeball artist" Lil Stoner (pictured) also enjoyed baking and growing flowers? Source: This source covers cooking and baking. The flower source is off-line but cited in the article. The "smokeball artist" comes from this source.
- ALT1:... that "smokeball artist" Lil Stoner (pictured) was also known for his skill in baking and growing flowers? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
- Reviewed: Johnny Dickshot
5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:10, 28 January 2021 (UTC).
Article expansion started January 26, when the article was 353 characters (64 words) long, and its now 8635 characters (1517 words). Reading the article, I think some of the short subsections could be combined, for example I'm not sure he needs a section titled "The sharp breaking curve". Most sources are news articles contemporary to his life, but seem to check out, statistics websites are more recent. One fact tries to link to Twitter, but I think it goes back to Wikipedia by accident. Twitter is considered a self-published source, so better would be an article about the thread, if that exists. Also, is "shrot pants" (and "Austin AMerican") just a typo? The hook checks out, but is this nickname only used in one article in one paper in 1930? Does that count as being "known as" something? We might also want to specify "Major League Baseball pitcher," rather than just "pitcher," since that status is vital to his notability. "Major league baseball pitcher was also know for his skill in baking and growing flowers" seems interesting enough of a hook for me. Lastly, it seems an oversight not to mention that his brothers were also named for U.S. Presidents and historical figures in the Early life section.-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 16:56, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- I think I've addressed the issues you raised. The term "smokeball artist" is cited to a reliable source and is part of an effort to rely on some double entendre to elicit interest in the hook. That is, "stoner", "smoke", "baking" and growing flowers are all terms associated with cannabis culture and, interestingly, all have significance and accuracy in Lil Stoner's life, albeit for different reasons. Nevertheless, I followed your lead in modifying alt0 to eliminate "known as". I do not favor putting "Major League Baseball" into the hook as, in my experience, "less is more" is a good rule of thumb in crafting an effective hook.Cbl62 (talk) 20:42, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- FWIW, I think alt 1 is the stronger hook. Cbl62 (talk) 20:44, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, got it. In that case, we could move this nom to the special occasions section when approved, and suggest it be held for April 20, 2021. Just would mean a discussion because it's more than six weeks away.-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 21:10, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- While not opposed, I'm not requesting that it be held for 4/20. Cbl62 (talk) 21:40, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Patrickneil and Cbl62: What is the significance of 20 April in connection with this hook? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:58, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Cwmhiraeth: Cannabis day, 420 (cannabis culture) Cbl62 (talk) 09:22, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Patrickneil and Cbl62: What is the significance of 20 April in connection with this hook? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:58, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- While not opposed, I'm not requesting that it be held for 4/20. Cbl62 (talk) 21:40, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, got it. In that case, we could move this nom to the special occasions section when approved, and suggest it be held for April 20, 2021. Just would mean a discussion because it's more than six weeks away.-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 21:10, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- FWIW, I think alt 1 is the stronger hook. Cbl62 (talk) 20:44, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- I think I've addressed the issues you raised. The term "smokeball artist" is cited to a reliable source and is part of an effort to rely on some double entendre to elicit interest in the hook. That is, "stoner", "smoke", "baking" and growing flowers are all terms associated with cannabis culture and, interestingly, all have significance and accuracy in Lil Stoner's life, albeit for different reasons. Nevertheless, I followed your lead in modifying alt0 to eliminate "known as". I do not favor putting "Major League Baseball" into the hook as, in my experience, "less is more" is a good rule of thumb in crafting an effective hook.Cbl62 (talk) 20:42, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Note to promoters: Query posted on WT:DYK#Cannabis Day special occasion regarding the scheduling of this hook. Edge3 (talk) 01:19, 15 February 2021 (UTC)