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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by sst✈ 09:26, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

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Larry Geller

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Created by Jeff G. (talk). Self-nominated at 23:43, 1 December 2015 (UTC).

  • Is a QPQ required from this submitter? Fiddle Faddle 19:13, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
  • The instructions suggest that the nominator must have "five or more DYK credits" to their, um, credit... in order for quid pro quo to be required. So I think no QPQ is needed for this particular Larry Geller BLP DYK nom. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 00:06, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Please add co-credit for User:Keshakoko1 as the originator of the AfC article Draft:Larry_Geller, which was substantially brought to mainspace-compliant state by User:Jeff_G.. I would WP:SOFIXIT myself, but could not make heads or tails of the DYK-specific template-scheme.  :-)     Thanks. p.s. She also has fewer than five DYK credits to her name, so no mandatory QPQ there either, I believe. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 00:06, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
  • New enough, long enough, adequately referenced. I tagged the article because some of the description reads like it was written for a magazine, not an encyclopedia. For example, these sentences are very chatty and are not even found in the source cited at the end of the second sentence:

  • At a time when men went to traditional barber shops for a buzz cut or other cookie-cutter style on their dry, often dirty hair, Geller and Sebring created a revolutionary new experience. They shampooed the hair first, and then styled the cut to suit the individual’s features, hair qualities and age.

  • These phrases are copied from the Elvis Presley biography source:
  • Source: Larry alternated between traveling with him and living with him at Graceland.
  • Article: Geller alternated between traveling with Elvis and living with him at Graceland.
  • Source: He brought into Elvis’ life books and ideas that they shared in countless intimate conversations of the course of their many years together.
  • Article: He brought into Elvis’ life books and ideas that they shared in countless intimate conversations over the course of their many years together.
  • Please note that IMDb is not a reliable source and should only be used in the article under External links. Yoninah (talk) 19:17, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Thank you. One other thing that concerns me is notability. You have a plethora of reliable sources, but all are just verifying that Geller was Elvis' spiritual advisor and hairstylist. The only source that discusses Geller as the main subject is that elvispresleybiography.net, which doesn't look like the most reliable of sources. I started looking around Google and found these sources that might help flesh out the article: Yahoo!, Fox News, Awaken (not sure what that last website is all about). There really are slim pickings on Larry Geller. Yoninah (talk) 22:42, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: The thing about Geller's notability, though, is that he passes. Rather like getting the ball through the hoop in croquet, it only just has to go through to qualify. What we get from Geller is a DYK well within the DYK spirit. As we all know, some miss the spirit by a country mile. If Jeff G. can enhance the article with the references you have suggested so much the better, because it will save discussion later, so, Yoninah, I see where you are coming from. Fiddle Faddle 22:58, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your comment, @Timtrent:. I'm having trouble understanding how this passes WP:BASIC without significant coverage in multiple, independent sources. Yes, Larry Geller was Elvis Presley's hairdresser and spiritual advisor. Yes, he wrote a few books. But is he notable by Wikipedia standards? The only "significant" coverage being given here is from Elvis Presley fan sites. Yoninah (talk) 23:08, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
  • I am thinking, without going into the sourcing overly deeply, that he passes the first bullet point of WP:BASIC. I have a feeling I accepted this at WP:AFC. Our criteria for acceptance are that a draft should, in our opinion, stand a better than 60% probability of surviving a deletion discussion. Fiddle Faddle 23:52, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
  • I hear. I'd like to give Jeff G. a few days to add another source to beef up the biographical entry, though, and if not, maybe I'll add it. Yoninah (talk) 00:11, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Thank you. The Yahoo source is good, I used it. The Fox News source is just a rehash of the Yahoo source (a tertiary source). The Awaken source is an extract from Tillery, Gary (October 1, 2013). The Seeker King: A Spiritual Biography of Elvis Presley. Quest Books. ISBN 978-0835609159. Retrieved 2015-12-29., which I hope to read in full soon (Amazon gave me a taste of it, from which I got one ref). Since you were wondering, Awaken seems to be about awakening its readers' spirituality with text that thankfully has attribution.   — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 04:12, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Thank you for adding those extra sources. Everything looks good now. No close paraphrasing seen. Hook ref verified and cited inline. No QPQ needed for nominators with less than 5 DYK credits. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 16:30, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Thank you, and you're welcome.   — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 17:06, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
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