Template:Did you know nominations/Edmund Kurtz
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:25, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
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Edmund Kurtz
... that the cellist Edmund Kurtz's recording of the Dvořák Cello Concerto with the NBC Symphony Orchestra and Arturo Toscanini was Toscanini's only surviving recording of the concerto?Source: several, including https://www.oxfordmusiconline.com/grovemusic/view/10.1093/gmo/9781561592630.001.0001/omo-9781561592630-e-0000042226- ALT1:
... that the cellist Edmund Kurtz's editions of Bach's cello suites, based on the manuscripts of Anna Magdalena Bach, has been considered his "most important contribution to the development of the art of the cello"?Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=2lHPUtMFkPoC, p. 73
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... that the cellist Edmund Kurtz's edition of Bach's cello suites were exclusively based on the manuscripts of Anna Magdalena Bach?Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=2lHPUtMFkPoC, p. 73 - ALT3:
... that the cellist Edmund Kurtz's edition of the Bach cello suites has been considered to be his "most important contribution to the development of the art of the cello"?Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=2lHPUtMFkPoC, p. 73
- Reviewed: Grace Hoffman
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Created by Zingarese (talk). Self-nominated at 18:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC).
New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. QPQ done.- I've struck the first hook because it focuses more on Toscanini than Kurtz. I find the ALT1 hook rather wordy. Is there any way you could focus on one fact in a hooky way? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 00:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you Yoninah. Hmm.. ALT2 focuses on the fact that the edition was based exclusively on facsimile manuscripts by Anna Magdalena Bach, but that probably is not interesting to people who know nothing about editions of classical masterworks. ALT3 maybe is more interesting to a broad audience. Your thoughts? Zingarese talk · contribs 19:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for the alts. I personally don't like long quotes in an article or hook, especially when such simple words could easily be paraphrased. Here's another idea:
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... that Edmund Kurtz left a 20-year career as a principal cellist in European and American orchestras to launch a solo career, performing for another 40 years?(This hook would need something added to the article about when his solo career ended.) - If you still want to focus on the facsimile edition, you could avoid the quoted text this way:
- ALT5: ... that Edmund Kurtz's edition of Bach cello suites, published in 1983, is recognized as one of his greatest achievements? (But you see how this really isn't so hooky.)
- BTW Kurtz isn't even mentioned on the Cello Suites (Bach) page. Yoninah (talk) 19:28, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- Dear Yoninah, that's true, but frankly a lot is missing from the Cello Suites (Bach) article. There is very little discussion about the individual movements of each suite and no discussion at all about discography... Anyways, at this point my strong preference would be with ALT5. As for ALT4, sources presume that he continued his solo career until his death. Zingarese talk · contribs 03:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
OK. In the absence of other information from which to write a more interesting hook, ALT5 will have to do. Since I wrote the hook, we need another editor to finish this review.- @Zingarese: I should have been more specific in my last post. I meant that you should add a line, or at least a "See also" link, to this article on the Cello Suites (Bach) page. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 13:43, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
