Talk:Yonatan Netanyahu

Rank?

What was JN's rank at the time of his death? I'm unclear what being CO of Sayeret Matkal implies: is it a regimental-level unit, brigade-level...? Alai 03:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Its battalion level, equivalent to a battalion commander - Lt. Colonel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.132.123.169 (talk) 19:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

He was a lieutenant-colonel since 1975. He was promoted at the time he became commander of Sayeret Matkal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.211.194.117 (talk) 20:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Name

There is no reason to translate his name to Jonathan. His name was Yonatan, and there is no sense in changing it when he was only known as Yonatan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.112.134.90 (talk) 05:22, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. If no-one objects, I'll move the article. --Dweller 12:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll support the move as well. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 22:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I support the move too. --GHcool 04:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Gravestone

Could anyone please translate what is written on Yonatan Netanyahu's gravestone? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.211.194.117 (talk) 19:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Yonatan Netanyahu

Son of Tzila and Ben-Tzion Born 11th of Adar B תש"ו (it's the year) Fell in battle in "Operation-Yonatan" 6th of Tamuz תשל"ו May his soul be bound up in the bond of life TFighterPilot (talk) 19:56, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Yoni.jpg

Image:Yoni.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot 11:57, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

suggestion for article

How and when was Netanyahu killed during the raid? I read a book years ago but I forgot. Shot while getting off the C130 on the runway? Jerseycam 01:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

While returning to the plane at the conclusion of the raid. Read about it here: [1] and here: Operation Entebbe#The raid. Please feel free to add content to the article. Hertz1888 03:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Good point there; i was wondering that. I have another query: In the UK soldiers can be given medals post-humously and in some extremely rare cases are given the Victoria Cross. Can somebody tell me if and what medal Yonatan received postumuously for his part in the Entebbe rescue?

Also: is there any material available on his work in mathematics? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.141.108.175 (talk) 22:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I read an article by an Israeli journalist that quotes Moshe 'Muki' Betzer (one of the masterminds and a leading participant in the Entebbe operation) and the article essentially states word for word what Betzer said about the rescue. He said that Yoni got fatally shot (he did not die instantly) at the beginning of the operation, and NOT later during the time when hostages were being put onto the rescue aircraft, as described incorrectly in other dubious articles.
This is an article I saw on the Ynetnews website. If you Google this wiki topic, it will come up. It is a very well written article. The article really seems to get to the bottom of the story unlike the one cited above by the previous comment. Betzer appeared on the BBC2 program Age of Terror (15th Apr., 2008 - 9pm) and was describing most of the events and his experiences that night. He described other details in the Ynetnews article and some of the things he said in the documentary are exactly the same thing he said in this news article. He was just explaining it again in the BBC program.
Ynetnews is an Israeli website that seems to be very well run and quite official. It looks like a newspaper website and is professionally laid out with well sourced material and photos.
It is worth reading the article, because it almost certainly gets to the truth and is the words of a major player in the operation and this person (Muki) had a lot of respect for Yoni. But he also had a lot of respect for his country and the truth. Yoni was a great soldier and the other members of the team knew that. In fact, some of them said that everybody was very frightened on the flight to Entebbe that evening and many were physically sick with fear. This was greatly exacerbated though because of heavy turbulence and there was possibly a psychological contagion in this respect. The floor of the aircraft was covered in sick (vomit) and many of the men involved knew that they had a 50 per cent chance of survival.
However, Yoni was virtually the only one on this leading aircraft who showed no fear. In fact, to the astonishment of the other members of the team he even went to sleep! Considering the amount of turbulence and so forth, it was amazing that he slept so well. Betzer said that he "slept like a baby"! Yoni was the leader of the mission and because he died, the operation was named retrospectively after him - The Yonatan Operation. [This point was aleady explained in the main Wiki article, but I need to repeat it again here in order to provide a better context to this explanation.]
Betzer was also a type of leader, but more in the intelligence aspect of the operation. Unfortunately, Yoni was not briefed as well as Betzer and many members of the IDF really needed more training for the mission. Although the mission went well, it could have actually gone a lot smoother if other precautions were adhered to. It is most likely that fewer people would have died, especially Yoni.
I could go on and explain the more significant details of this mission, but I will stop here for now and in the meantime people can do their own more rigerous research. It is well worth the effort because not only are the details important for this Wiki subject and the Entebbe Operation one, but these essential details are not mentioned here on Wiki. I will eventually relocate that article again and also hope that Betzer (also Betser) has written his own account of the events. I'm sure he has. It is a pity though, that there has been no Wiki entry for this brilliant man. Moshe Betzer is another great hero. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.188.255.115 (talk) 12:43, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

No, he was shot by one of the terrorists after Betser stopped advancing. Yoni called out "Forward Betser!" and when he got no reply advanced. He was part of the command team and was supposed to stay out of the building. He fell back a little and looked round and then was shot by a burst from an AK-47 from the building. People thought that the fire came from the control tower, but it was impossible. Read the book by his younger brother, Iddo, for the full story. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.92.223.194 (talk) 20:20, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

It's no longer (for now at least) "former" Prime Minster in the Legacy section. There's also, though outside the scope of this article - which is what led me to it - an interesting parallel in his brother being faced with a seemingly impossible hostage rescue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:956:FDA0:2153:CC47:5D24:6751 (talk) 08:04, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Title change to English spelling

It seems more logical to have the English "Jonathan" spelling used for the English Wikipedia, with a redirect from the Hebrew. It would also make pronunciation simpler for readers. Thoughts? --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 19:29, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Support - Note that the citations in the article itself, including two key biographical books, NY Times article, and a proposed film bio, use the Jonathan spelling. His brothers used it on the title of both books. Herman Wouk used it. The Jonathan Institute is an established entity (which someone can create an article for.) The video documentaries use Jonathan along with the Yoni nickname. Per MOS, "For foreign names, phrases, and words generally, adopt the spellings most commonly used in English-language references for the article, unless those spellings are idiosyncratic or obsolete." Since no one mentioned those facts, I thought they should be pointed out here. The "links" issue mentioned below is not a problem with a redirect and can be changed over time. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 17:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

His Memorial site also prefers the English spelling. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 18:21, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - The man's name was Yonathan. What next, Isaac Rabin, Simon Peres and Moses Dayan? Poliocretes (talk) 09:01, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Strong support: Yonatan sometimes makes readers hard to read (some even can't read it), including me. Jonathan is better than the current "Yonatan" that make most readers understand. The same discussion for Turkey, moving from Turkey to its Turkish name, Türkiye. that wasn't changed due to a Turkish translator for its president mistakenly translated. I also strong support for others, Isaac Rabin, Simon Peres and Moses Dayan to be changed. Kys5g ^talk! 13:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

It might also be helpful if someone translated the gravestone. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 20:47, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Translation is not the point, it's transliteration that's the problem here (actually it says YWNTN NTNYHW on the tombstone). Either way is possible and correct. In Wikipedia Yonatan is a redirect to Jonathan. But since the Hebrew name has been translated as Jonathan for the past umpteen centuries there is no point discussing what's correct and what's not. As Jonathan Netanyahu is already a redirect, and nobody will bother to change all the links in the articles, I would suggest to leave everything as it is. --Dodo19 (talk) 09:35, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - His name was Yonatan. Wikipedia doesn't decide what a person's name is.--Geewhiz (talk) 09:40, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Would be interesting to know, what name is on the birth certificate ... --Dodo19 (talk) 09:48, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Compromise proposal - Alter the lead (& nothing else) to say Yonatan "Yoni" (Jonathan) Netanyahu. A redirect already exists. No other action needed. Hertz1888 (talk) 17:53, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose His name was Yonatan, not Jonathan. пﮟოьεԻ 57 22:17, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose as well as oppose compromise proposal too before proof found to show he went by that name at any length of time. --Shuki (talk) 22:52, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose I understand the sentiment behind the supporters, however, the prevailing spelling of his name in the 21st century has been Yonathan and Yoni.yoni 05:10, 20 February 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fosterliberty (talk • contribs)

Images wanted

Note that a few of the photos have been targeted for deletion. Since it is apparent that they are probably public domain in Israel, can someone try to source the photos and upload new ones similar to the ones here? I believe the govt. probably has some information about the free use of the photos. It's also possible to edit the photo information box by adding the public domain information. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 02:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Image found

There is at least one image of Yoni Netenyahu that is public. It is a photo of him as a younger man and was posted with a news article at this site: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3384084,00.html Since this photo used in the news article is from their archives and has been publically published, can it be used without any violations? I'm not certain that I understand all of the difficulty in using the current photos, but it would be nice to have as much accurate data as possible. That is what makes Wikipedia so useful. Thank you! Lady Ilea PS: The article in question challenges some of the claims made by Mr. Betzer and provides some very interesting comments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lady Ilea (talk • contribs) 06:17, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

No, sorry, just because it has been published it's not public domain. We have to assume it's copyrighted just like any other picture. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:43, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Nick name

His nick Yoni sounds funny in India. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 19:38, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunate coincidence is all. Quis separabit? 23:02, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

• Is this appropriate or relevant to the article? I would encourage deletion. yoni (talk) 05:40, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

POV-Section The Jonathan Institute

• Claire Sterling is a controversial figure, of questionable relevance to Yoni Netanyahu. Some of the language used in this article "Israeli and Western propaganda," could be interpreted as strongly opinionated. I think the section should be edited to take a more neutral stance, or at least do a better job presenting multiple perspectives. yoni (talk) 05:40, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

 Fixed --Light show (talk) 20:30, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

References

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 0 external links on Yonatan Netanyahu. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added {{dead link}} tag to http://www.rishonim.org.il/barikada/show_item.asp?levelId=45718&itemId=742&itemType=0

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 16:46, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Yonatan Netanyahu. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20060716182515/http://www.yoni.org.il:80/ to http://www.yoni.org.il/
• Added {{dead link}} tag to http://preview.voicenet.com/~hma63203/BIOS/netanyahu-jonathan.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 19:41, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Yonatan Netanyahu. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130203020345/http://followmethemovie.com/gallery/ to http://followmethemovie.com/gallery/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 16:23, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 March 2024

Under the ‘Legacy’ sub section, the line that reads “Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said his own "hard line against…” should be changed to reflect the fact that Netanyahu is the current Israeli Prime Minister. Zach.george (talk) 17:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done Melmann 10:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Update Militant with Terrorist Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 May 2024

Change Militant to Terrorist Aggy92600 (talk) 14:25, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 15:16, 30 May 2024 (UTC)