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suggest link to Hehuachi Park

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hehuachi_Park chica nueva 22:42, 13 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chica nueva (talk • contribs)

Shopping section?

Do we need a shopping section in this article. The section starts by saying that the shopping is nothing special. Every town has some shopping. What follows, reads like a travel guide or an advertisement. That the city has a mall isn't information worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. There's a consensus about what is included in city articles on WP based on the multitude of existing city articles following an established format and Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/Settlements: Article structure, so It's not just my opinion. Speculation about where "foreigners" can be found is also not appropriate. Much of this would be good content on a travel guide like Wikivoyage. I believe the section should be removed a decision made easy by the total lack of sources. - Metal lunchbox ^(talk) 16:18, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Culture

"After Yangzhou was removed from Jiangnan, its residents decided to replace Jianghuai Mandarin, which was the dialect of Yangzhou, with Taihu Wu dialects."

How did the residents "decide" this? Was there a major debate throughout the city, followed by a vote? Or did it just happen naturally, and no decision was taken at all? Skinsmoke (talk) 03:08, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ENGVAR

This edit established the page's usage as American English. Kindly maintain it consistently pending a new consensus to the contrary. — LlywelynII 04:05, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Obvious problems

The transport section is badly out of date at the moment. There are planned subway lines but a central government policy put the entire thing on hold, although it's unclear in translation why. Yangzhou seems to meet the annual budget threshold for a subway, so it must be something else. (Debt load? Population? Population density?) Also the current article doesn't seem to cover the high-speed rail connecting it to Shanghai, Nanjing, etc. — LlywelynII 13:42, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for future article expansion

The Chinese Wiki article on Guangling County includes a bunch more early history for the city that should be added here eventually, including the Han principalities ("kingdoms") and Tang rebel state based in Yangzhou. Some of the content at our Guangling Commandery article should be briefly glossed here as well. There are also more details in

Olivová, Lucie B. (2009), "Building History and the Preservation of Yangzhou", Lifestyle and Entertainment in Yangzhou, NIAS Studies in Asian Topics, No. 44, Copenhagen: Nordic Institute of Asian Studies, pp. 3–36.

including that Guangling was a "dowry town" established under Chu in 319 BC. She also lists the years of the Kangxi and Qianlong Emperors' visits and notes the tradition of "Four Total Destructions of Yangzhou" in 451, 548, 1129, and 1645. Somewhere in there is a cite for the PLA's conquest/liberation of the city on 25 January 1949. More details here in Chinese. A different essay in the same book

Meyer-Fong, Tobie (2009), "Gathering in a Ruined City: Metaphor, Practice, and Recovery in Post-Taiping Yangzhou", Lifestyle and Entertainment in Yangzhou, NIAS Studies in Asian Topics, No. 44, Copenhagen: Nordic Institute of Asian Studies, pp. 37–61.

notes the Taiping conquest of the city occurring on 2 March 1853, with some details on the takeover, occupation, destruction, and loss. The attribution here

Ma Yong; et al. (2016), The General History of Chinese Tourism Culture, New York: SCPG Publishing.

is a bit of a mess, but it does have an overview of the prosperity of Tang-era Yangzhou around p. 175 and general discussion of what Sui and Tang era "tourism" would've entailed for merchants and the independently wealthy. More on the salt trade in

Finnane, Antonia (1985), Prosperity and Decline under the Qing: Yangzhou and Its Hinterland, 1644–1810, Canberra: Australian National University.

— LlywelynII 17:53, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This historian's blog may not be a WP:RS on its own but he claims the other book was incomplete and the city fell to the Taipings three times: 1853, 1856, and 1858. He notes the Grand Canal was formally abandoned by the gov't in 1901 and the N/S railway proposed in 1895 was originally going to pass through Yangzhou and Zhenjiang before being shifted to Nanjing (Pukou) in 1908. — LlywelynII 04:54, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]