Talk:X-Men (film)

Character: Wolverine.

Glenn Danzig auditioned for the part of Wolverine and would have made an excellent choice by having the natural build as the character Wolverine has but due to scheduling conflicts, Glenn turned down the role. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brarellj (talk • contribs) 10:06, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Maybe this can be mentioned in the development/production section.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 03:16, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Film cast

In cleaning up the cast lists for the various X-men film pages, I have matched the character names and cast order to the end credits scroll. However, it's come to my attention that there is an oddity with this film (which you can see here). If you check from 1:09 to 1:15, as the film's stars are listed, Patrick Stewart receives top billing, while Hugh Jackman is listed second. However, when the full cast list (with character names) begins scrolling at around 2:22, Jackman receives the top billing while Stewart is listed second; I never noticed this before, because I was skipping straight to the crawl during the cleanup. Not really seeing any guidance in our MOS about which list takes precedence (although its entirely likely I'm accidentally reading right over it). Thoughts? Grandpallama (talk) 14:08, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Interesting... let's see what the poster billing block says (this is frequently used for the infobox cast list order and indeed who to include in the infobox).

Looks like:

• Stewart
• Jackman
• McKellen
• Berry
• Janssen
• Marsden
• Davison
• Romijn(-Stamos)
• Park
• and Paquin

And indeed that's what the infobox uses, so I'd suggest we stick with that and then follow it up with anyone else from the end credit scroll. —Joeyconnick (talk) 23:47, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

I could be persuaded either way. On one hand, Stewart is front and center in the film's marketing (as evidenced by his prominence in the posters and the first listing in the billing block), and he was (as Joeyconnick has pointed out) a significantly bigger star at the time of the film's release; Stewart listed first is also the longstanding version. On the other hand, Jackman is clearly the lead protagonist of the film, and we use the crawl to establish character names. Either approach has policy-backed argument, so I'm okay with either, but I would still like to hear from others so that we can establish a solid consensus to point to if there are future tinkerings with the cast list (something these films seem to attract). I'm also still curious if there are any precedent decisions for this. Pinging Erik, MarnetteD, and DonIago, who would all be more likely than anyone else to know if this has ever been discussed. Grandpallama (talk) 16:17, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Past discussions have (as far as I can remember) always defaulted to listing names in the same order as on the film poster. I know that leads to things that seem counterintuitive but it does avoid debates like this one where WP:OR and WP:SYNTH get involved. For the record I didn't always agree with the situation but, as the years have passed, I've come around to it being a good way to avoid edit warring etc. Pinging Betty Logan and Lugnuts as well since their memories are better than mine as well as their input being well reasoned. MarnetteD|Talk 17:01, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I checked WP:FILMCAST, and sure enough, there's no guidance regarding a matter like this (though perhaps there should be?). My gut instinct is to go by the end credits rather than a poster (since posters may speak more to marketing than anything else), but I don't know that I have a strong opinion on this one way or another. DonIago (talk) 17:17, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

DonIago, but which part of the end credits? :) Grandpallama (talk) 17:44, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Many apologies - my whole post was about the way the cast is listed in the infobox. I missed the fact that this thread is about the cast list section. That is what I get for writing before having a morning coffee. Trout and facepalm in any order. Whatever you all decide about the section is okay be me. Now slinking away before I make things worse. MarnetteD|Talk 18:39, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn't get too hung up on the posters. The MOS primarily exists to settle disputes that arise i.e. we don't add things to it to determine outcomes editors don't argue about. Disputes about billing don't usually occur once the film has been released, they generally occur prior to the film's release so a poster with a billing block is generally the most neutral way of settling a dispute. Sometimes films can have different orders for star credits and cast lists and as far as I am aware MOS:FILM doesn't take a position on that. One example I can give you that I personally worked on is Gone with the Wind: Gable, Leigh, Howard and de Havilland get top billing in the opening credits but occupy different positions in the cast list. I used the credit billings for the infobox and the cast list of the film for the cast list in the article. The reason I took that decision is a practical one: not everyone in the cast list gets an opening credit, so I would have had to use the cast list anyway once I got past the four principal stars, who would then be out of order according to the cast list! Ultimately I think either approach is fine provided you can justify it using either a source or the credits in the film. Betty Logan (talk) 19:29, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

The reason I took that decision is a practical one: not everyone in the cast list gets an opening credit, so I would have had to use the cast list anyway once I got past the four principal stars, who would then be out of order according to the cast list! This thought occurred to me, too (in terms of not using the opening credits). In the list that includes the entire cast, Jackman shows up before Stewart, which allows for consistency with all the names who don't get star billing at all; this is also the reason why I was skipping straight to the full cast list when I was cleaning up the casting sections. I still overlooked that there were two versions of the end credits, but Betty's overall reasoning still holds and makes the most sense to me. Grandpallama (talk) 19:51, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

The beginning of the end credits? The end of the beginning credits? Begin the Beguine? But seriously, I think Betty's response above, especially the last sentence, says anything I would have said and more (clearly). DonIago (talk) 19:33, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

No more responses after a couple of months, so I assumed this is settled. I see rough consensus here that while the billing block is preferable to control the cast lists of unreleased films, the full credits list of a released film should determine credit order (since it is also the definitive source for character names). Given that, I will restore the cast list order to the final, full credits of the film. Thanks for the input, everyone. Grandpallama (talk) 02:48, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Film budget amount.

Was recently changed from $75,000,000 to $70,000,000 with no change of source or reason given, thus reverted. Any input from anoyone? BenBrownBoy (Aye?) 13:35, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Legacy section?

once Deadpool & Wolverine is released, would it be fair to put a "Legacy" section down and chronicle the actors involved or, would that be more for the "X-Men (film series) Wikipedia? 2600:6C5D:0:A41:18C:2596:6279:9C28 (talk) 04:51, 4 July 2024 (UTC)