Talk:Visa requirements for Russian citizens

Australia

I think that there should be a caveat or parenthesis explaining that the Visitor e600 Visa Online for Australia [1]is not like the usual e-visas where you get an instant/quasi instant e-approval, like many other e-visas. It seems it is more like regular visa application, but done online that can take 20 days, ask for more documentation, etc... Most countries do fall in the e600 Visa category. The more select e-visas schemes that Australia offers, such as ETA(for USA) and eVisitor(EU) is that more of a traditional e-visa. The approval is instant/quasi instant for those two. The way it is currently shown, might confuse Russians searching visa requirements for Australia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:140:8000:D84F:903E:4F65:7ADA:7175 (talk) 01:47, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Information about different passport types

In a series of edits, an anonymous user deleted all information about countries that Russian citizens can visit using only their internal passport, and about visa requirements for holders of service and diplomatic passports. I have reverted the edits because, in my opinion, they had removed highly useful information from the article. 212.181.104.125's argument, if I understand it right, is that since other articles about visa requirements do not contain this sort of information, then this one shouldn't either. I would argue the reverse: the fact that other articles do not contain information about special passport types means that they are incomplete, and that they should be using this article as a model. — Tetromino (talk) 22:20, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

The anonymous User 212.181.104.12 is me. In my opinion an article about 'Visa requirements for Russian citizens' should not confuse with the inclusion of special visa freedoms for diplomats and state employees. All other articles on visa requirements for other nationalities on wikipedia focus on visa-freedom for the passport abroad available to all citizens. I do not agree that they are all incomplete and the current Russian passport article shall be the model for others. Yet I agree with Tetromino that information about travel freedoms using internal passports should be included. My main issue is that the tables on the 'Visa requirements for Russian citizens' look badly formatted and confusing when being viewed in Internet Explorer. I tried to clean this up and bring it in line with other similar articles on Wikipedia. - 212.181.104.12 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.181.104.125 (talk) 17:56, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I see. Which version of Internet Explorer were you using? — Tetromino (talk) 18:40, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

IE 8.0. Can you see it? 212.181.104.125 (talk) 20:49, 5 August 2010

I managed to find a Windows machine and tested the page in IE8. As far as I can tell, it looks OK (see screenshot). Is there some particular defect that I might be missing? — Tetromino (talk) 23:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Screenshot on mine: (see screenshot). 212.181.104.125 (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2010

I can't reproduce the problem, but I think I know what's going on. I've changed the tables a bit. Does the article look better now? — Tetromino (talk) 01:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Mexico

Mexico has suppressed visas for Russians and Ukrainians also, you must update the maps of Russian, Ukrainian and Brazilian visa requirements here is the source from Mexican Immigration Services:

http://www.migracion.gob.mx/index.php/page/Inicio_Autorizacion_Electronica/ru.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.138.2.118 (talk) 19:48, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Russian map - done. Lusfert (talk) 19:40, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Canada

Canada is not in the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.171.180.101 (talk) 23:58, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Chile, Mexico, and Cyprus

Please put them back on the map. Chile being colored grey is just erroneous, and Mexico and Cyprus deserve a special color because of their specific visa provisions for Russia. Gallus Gallicus (talk) 10:07, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

The maps was changed in a bad way: all green group removed (Mexico & Cyprus). Also has been removed or broken: Chile, Trinidad & Tobago, Dominican Rep., Sri Lanka, Laos, Central African Republic, Haiti, Albania, Croatia, Myanmar... I think we should revert to 18 January 2011 version and just change color of Turkey. Another question is about Croatia and other Balkan states - currently they introduce visa-free travel during summer season. Should we include that in map? Lusfert (talk) 22:20, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Malaysia

Visa-free entry to Russia for Malaysian http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2012/06/12/Visafree-entry-to-Russia-soon.aspx

Japan

Japan is currently not on the list. For clarification, please put it on for completeness. Thank you!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.232.18.123 (talk • contribs) 03:15, 21 August 2011

 Done - Truther2012 (talk) 17:56, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Myanmar

I believe the information provided for Myanmar is incorrect, the link is misleading. Russian citizens do NOT qualify for visas on arrival, even for business/entry/transit visas, see list from the embassy in Washington DC: http://www.mewashingtondc.com/visa_form_7_en.php I believe the right entry would be simply "Must apply for a visa in advance". Helmut

It is confusing. The timaticweb, current source says that under some conditions on-arrival is allowed. Embassy in Moscow is not very specific. Their immigration ministry does not specify ANY country during the on-arrival process. I'd say, timatic prevails.--Truther2012 (talk) 21:20, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Dominican Republic

According to the table, visa (tourist card) is issued upon arrival, the map says visa-free. Can someone update the map? --Truther2012 (talk) 15:16, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

from the timatic's website "Visa Issuance: Nationals of Russian Fed. traveling as tourists, are required to obtain a 30 days Tourist Card on arrival. Fee: USD 10.-. Extensions possible", which is applicable to Tourist only. --Truther2012 (talk) 20:25, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Guyana

http://www.minfor.gov.gy/images/minfor_docs/consular_services/visa_exemption.pdf Number 40, Russian Federation, needs no visa for Guyana — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.111.241.232 (talk) 21:02, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. The article already has the same information.--Twofortnights (talk) 21:08, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

European Special Territories

I find Twofortnights' recent addition of European Special Territories section confusing, as it does include a number of Caribbean countries. I get that they all "belong" to a European sovereign, but there's got to be a better term for that. Wouldn't just Special Territories do? Truther2012 (talk) 19:27, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

I used it as per Special member state territories and the European Union.--Twofortnights (talk) 20:20, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

The inclusion iteslf makes sense, my confusion is with the title only. For me, calling something European implies location first and posession second. How about Special Terriories of the European Union or European Overseas Territories (both terms used in that article)? --Truther2012 (talk) 14:54, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

OK I've changed it to dependent territories and expanded with non-European ones.--Twofortnights (talk) 16:37, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Truther2012 (talk) 19:04, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

No Visa to Costa Rica

Please update the map and the article information. Russian citizens no longer need a visa to travel to Costa Rica. Check out: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_01/Costa-Rica-cancels-visa-requirements-for-Russian-citizens-8013/ Imprimaturcr (talk) 21:00, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

It seems this has yet to enter into force (in a week or so -[2]).--Twofortnights (talk) 21:35, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Syria

I got a visa on arrival in Damascus in 2008 with my Russian passport. Of course, nobody wants to go to Syria now, but seeing as Bashar Al-Assad is currently still in power, I believe the visa regime should be the same. (Anonymous) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.251.177.47 (talk) 14:24, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes that was in 2008 but in March 2014 Syria introduced visas for all foreign citizens.The law requires “any person entering or leaving Syria to hold a valid passport” which “would need to be stamped with a visa from one of our diplomatic missions or consulates abroad,” the news agency reported.--Twofortnights (talk) 18:03, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Panama

The entry "no visa required" is misleading. According to the official website of the Embassy of Panama in Russia (http://www.embapanamarusia.ru/index.php/en/2012-06-07-14-52-20/regimen-de-visas )(in Spanish) Russia is listed under point VI., i.e. Russians need a "stamped visa" to visit Panama. Exception (translated form the bottom of the page with Google): "IMPORTANT: Executive Decree 248 of July 21, 2009 it was stated that: "Every person, regardless of nationality, who holds a valid visa duly issued by the United States, Australia, Canada, UK, and any state that form the European Union, and has been used at least once to enter the territory of the grantor state, or proving their legal residence in those countries may enter the country ... ". no visa application required." It was quite difficult to finds this information on the internet. To confirm I therefore phoned the Embassy of Panama in Germany, which confirmed the information above. If we assume that most Russians traveling to Panama will have a valid Schengen, UK, US, Canadian or Australian visa, this is probably not very relevant. However, the rules are the rules. Helmut

Panama has changed this in April 2014. Now Russian citizens do not require a visa for Panama. As you can see here Russia was added below Vietnam - [3]--Twofortnights (talk) 13:27, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, let's assume that this is the latest information, since different web-sites from different Panamanian embassies in different countries show different information. Helmut — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.122.155.87 (talk) 17:12, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

It was reported in media in April - Los ciudadanos rusos podrán viajar a Panamá sin visado. The decision became effective on April 14.--Twofortnights (talk) 17:19, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Somaliland

BOTH links are broken. A working link for "Lonely Planet" is now "http://www.lonelyplanet.com/somaliland-puntland-and-somalia/somaliland/visas". The Link for Tourists on the Somaliland website doesn't seem to work (http://somalilandgov.com/). Sorry, I cannot edit links, and I do not want to break the site. Great information; I use it a lot for travel planning :). Wuensche1 (talk) 21:08, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Lonely planet says that there is no such thing as "Visa on arrival" (anymore?). Which probably means "Visa required". Wuensche1 (talk) 21:21, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

New map

New map includes things such as "Countries becoming visa-free in the near future" which directly contravene the WP:CRYSTALBALL rule. Not to mention the completely wrong "Visa upon arrival with extra documents requirements" which suggests all you need is "e.g. vaccinations records" to obtain a visa on arrival there while in reality most of those countries offer pre-arranged visa pick-up at best, even if that. So that map, while used in Russian Wikipedia, can't be used here with such content, it would require a serious overhaul. Also as the consensus stands with the current map, you are the one who needs to convince us to change it, so you need to work with us on this dispute until it is resolved. Thank you.--Twofortnights (talk) 09:49, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Current map reflects all the necessary information. No change is required. Map in the Russian Wikipedia is sorrow for all Russian community. p.s. Need to change color of Crimea. Now it is visa-zone of Russia. Norvikk (talk) 17:49, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

OK thanks. As for Crimea it's best to keep the map by what is internationally recognized, otherwise it is difficult to find the balance of where to stop, there are many such regions in the world, if we add Crimea then we have to add Abkhazia, Somaliland, Kosovo, Palestine, Nagorno-Karabakh and maybe even Islamic State so it's best to avoid it on the map - otherwise it always turns into an edit war.--Twofortnights (talk) 19:34, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

This is ridiculous, Twofortnights, by your definition we should abandon Taiwan as being a separate territory on the map, and misinform people that they do/don't need a visa to go there. The map absolutely SHOULD have Abkhazia as a separate entry, as well as Crimea in accordance to the visa requirements, not arbitrary international recognition. MureninC (talk)

Ok. Thank you. Norvikk (talk) 20:45, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

The map on ru-wiki reflects more nuanced view of the visa requirements. "Crystal ball" guidance is really not applicable here, as this "yellow" category represents established visa agreements waiting to kick in at specific dates in near future (not some uncertain future events). It's also easier to maintain one single map between different wikis, especially with various changes to visa policies happening fairly frequently – e.g., the two maps are not in sync now, and the ru-wiki map better represents a visa/visa-free travel reality better than the en-wiki map. cherkash (talk) 14:50, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Listen if you want to discuss this seriously then you can't attempt to fool us by presenting false information.--Twofortnights (talk) 15:55, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

On the main map must be the basic information (without visa, visa on arrival). Everything else is extra.
Information about the nuances important. Why all on one map ??? Create a separate map for diplomatic / official passports, a map to the additional requirements map for future changes - all it deserves to be. question - is it necessary?
When on one map too many different information is bad, it is not clear. The map should be easy and simple.
Russian version. Sometimes the debate on replacing this map appears, the war begins. Do not carry the war to the English version.Norvikk (talk) 16:51, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Why so hostile? Why all the talk about wars? My intention was plain and simple, and it's summarized above: ease of maintenance, and a more nuanced view into essentially visa-free countries than what's currently presented on en-wiki map. So no need to go to any war. Please argue the points presented – not some other imaginary ones. If you think there are other points that are pertinent to the discussion, please introduce them clearly – right now you are answering/commenting on something that's not introduced by me for discussion, and hence is unclear to me. cherkash (talk) 09:08, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Twofortnights, did you actually read what WP:CRYSTALBALL says? It says that unverified and unreliable speculation about future events is prohibited, it doesn't at all apply to definitive resolutions officially declared by various governments, which is all verifiable information. MureninC (talk) 06:14, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

The map is missing a colour for China. There's no need for a Chinese visa if going as part of a tourist group, similar to what Visa requirements for Belorussian citizens map shows, which has a special colour for China. The definitive visa requirement in the table is likewise confusing. MureninC (talk) 06:14, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Gambia

In the news of the Federal Tourism Agency of Russia has information about the possibility of a December 1, 2014 to visit the Gambia without a visa. Source refers to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. http://www.russiatourism.ru/news/5540/ (Russian) I could not find information about it on the website of the Ministry of Russia and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Gambia (the site is updated infrequently). I sent a request to the Russian Embassy in the Gambia and the Ministry. Let us know if you find more information. Thank. Norvikk (talk) 20:45, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Please check the Talk:Visa_policy_of_the_Gambia to find out more about conflicting information on Gambian visa policy. This only adds to it. Apart from Gambia globally conflicting information exists the same way for Bangladesh and Egypt and in some aspects for Malaysia, South Korea, Republic of the Congo, Guyana, Iran, Nigeria, Nicaragua, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan.--Twofortnights (talk) 20:53, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Answer from MFA of Russia. (Use google translater) (in Russian): "Министерство иностранных дел республики Гамбия действительно уведомило Министерство иностранных дел России об отмене въездных виз в Гамбию для российских туристов. В настоящие время ведется уточнение у гамбийских коллег всех деталей вопроса, включая разрешенный срок пребывания граждан России на территории Гамбии, необходимость наличия обратного билета, ограничения, связанные со сроком действия загранпаспорта, и ряд других аспектов. Впоследствии данная информация будет размещена на официальном сайте МИДа России". The Gambia did not specify the number of days of stay. (This is Africa!) The ministrydoes not issue a press release because there is no accurate information. Norvikk (talk) 11:36, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Timatic has updated their records today and now they say that nationals of Russia are visa exempt to enter Gambia for a max stay of 56 days: https://www.timaticweb.com/cgi-bin/tim_website_client.cgi?SpecData=1&VISA=&HEALTH=&page=both&DE=GM&NA=RU&AR=00&VT=RU&EM=RU&PASSTYPES=PASS&user=KLMB2C&subuser=KLMB2C — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.107.75.151 (talk) 14:03, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Zimbabwe

Government will soon scrap visas for Russian and Chinese nationals as part of efforts to encourage economic co-operation, Acting President Emmerson Mnangagwa has saidt: http://www.bulawayo24.com/index-id-news-sc-national-byo-61050.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.105.112.65 (talk) 13:15, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Non-ordinary passports

1. "Holders of diplomatic and service Russian passports do not have visa-free access to Israel." I don't understand why separate information on Israel? The table has all of the country that you can visit without a visa. Israel is not in the table. So need a visa to visit. This information gives the table, why write this separate proposal? Duplication of information. Norvikk (talk) 21:53, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Because it's the only country where ordinary Russian passport holders can enter without a visa but official passport holders can't. Usually it's either the same regime, or there are more beneficial terms for official passports holders.--Twofortnights (talk) 22:02, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Israel is exclusive. Again. Ok)
Thank. Norvikk (talk) 22:49, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

2. For Twofortnights. Hi. I do not understand the meaning of the phrase "Argentina can not be an" additional country "". What you mean? Thank you. Norvikk (talk) 22:04, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Well it says "holders of diplomatic or service Russian passports have visa-free access to the following additional countries" - additional to what? Additional to normal passport holders. But normal passport holders can also travel to Argentina without a visa. So thus Argentina cannot be an additional country.--Twofortnights (talk) 22:07, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

"In addition to countries that provide visa-free access to all Russian passport holders, holders of diplomatic or service Russian passports have visa-free access to the following additional countries"
I think that this sentence and this new table contradict each other. The collapse of meaning.
New table and a new sentence without words 'addition, "Holders of diplomatic or service Russian passports have visa-free access to the following countries:"
or
The original sentence and table without Argentina and other countries. Norvikk (talk) 22:49, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

I think they can stay but we should somehow note countries that only provide more beneficial terms than to ordinary passport holders from those that normally require a visa from normal passport holders.--Twofortnights (talk) 23:52, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Macedonia

Between Macedonia and Russia has an agreement on mutual abolition of visas. Terms and conditions: without a visa, but with a voucher and an invitation or letter of guarantee. Every year in March, Macedonia cancels additional conditions unilaterally (invitation, etc.) for the year. Each year, the majority of news media say - Macedonia abolished visas for Russian. This is not correct. Macedonia simplifies conditions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norvikk (talk • contribs) 16:33, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Freedom of movement

Between Russia and Belarus. The concept "Freedom of movement" occurs in different articles of Wikipedia and in different articles on the Internet. What criteria of "Freedom of movement"? Whether it is necessary to allocate it in separate category on a map? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norvikk (talk • contribs) 19:46, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

It is only one country so maybe it would unnecessarily complicate things?--Twofortnights (talk) 20:37, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

The freedom of movement is complicated, because although there is no border control as part of the Union State, both Russia and Belarus still have separate visa regime, as per http://ria.ru/world/20151001/1294534717.html via Visa policy of Russia. What I suggest is that the colour of both Russia and Belarus should be the same on the map at Visa requirements for Russian citizens and Visa requirements for Belorussian citizens, explained as "Union State of Belarus and Russia", and Visa policy of Russia and Visa policy of Belarus should likewise have the same colours (it looks like someone's already changed the map over at Visa policy of Russia, but the rest of them still show separate colours for the two countries within the Union). The maps of other countries should remain the same (until an applicable unified visa is implemented). MureninC (talk) 06:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

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Map updated

You may or may not like the new colours, but you have to admit that there is a logical reason behind it. --Benutzer:Kapitän Nemo (talk) 17:29, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Tell us about the cause. Why are you wrecking the map? You are vandal? --Norvikk (talk) 17:35, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism means edits without sense. The general perception of colours (according to traffic lights) is blue="more than easy access" green="easy access" yellow="conditional access" red="difficult access" grey=unknown black="not an issue". Access of Russians into Russia is not difficult (red colour), but rather a non-issue (black colour, like a black traffic light). Access of Russians into Belarus is "easier than usual" (blue). Please note that adding blue colour was a first tiny step. The legend should explain what the map shows. There are two options: 1. Revert the map on Commons 2. Change the legend according to the actual map. Unfortunately both edits (map and legend) have to be made in one step. All visa maps have some perception problems (no traffic light scheme), but one visa map needs to be the first one for trying an upgrade. Trying something new is no vandalism, but avant-gardism. --Benutzer:Kapitän Nemo (talk) 18:38, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

I would certainly have restored the old version along with the legend, but I can't, I use a tablet, it's not available for me now. The map will be restored later. Why did you choose for the avant-garde experiments the Russian map? --Norvikk (talk) 19:02, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for your technical problems. Why did I choose Russian map? Because Russians have a medium number of visa-free destinations. Nepalese, for example, have just too few visa-free destinations. Germans, for example, have too many destinations with special conditions (such as using an ID card for obtaining visa on arrival). Since 16th century, there is an advice to proceed gradually from easy to more complicated issues. --Benutzer:Kapitän Nemo (talk) 19:42, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

You was invited for discussion Twofortnights. Good choice. I trust his opinion.
Your edit is a personal insult to all Russian. You painted my country in the black. German, Russia, summer day. Again and again. Since 16th century. I can't speak with a Germans. It annoys me. It is not nice to talk to you. I leave the conversation.
@Twofortnights: I'll accept your decision. --Norvikk (talk) 20:31, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Sorry if I offended you. --Norvikk (talk) 04:50, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your honest answer about your mental perception. On my personal computer, I have a number of visa restriction maps for major countries with an identical color scheme, believe me. Germany black, Poland blue (Schengen), Ukraine green (not the best government, but easy to get in), Russia red (most complicated visa procedure). Mental perception is an important issue, and I am going to consider your honest mental perception as a 0/10 review. Sorry for creating negative emotions (was not intended) and thanks for your honest criticism. --Benutzer:Kapitän Nemo (talk) 18:28, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

I don't see much sense in painting Russia black on this map. If there is consensus for it I will accept it of course, but right now it seems to be just one editor pushing for this change so I am against it. Let's keep the current color scheme.--Twofortnights (talk) 20:49, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

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The table

I suggest to divide the "Dependent, Disputed, or Restricted territorie" table into three parts.

• Unrecognized or partially recognized countries
• Dependent and autonomous territories
• Territories demanding additional permission for visit

At the moment all the information are mixed. I guess this creates a confusion. More detailed classification will bring benefit to article. Two parts of new view of section you can see here [4]. --Norvikk (talk) 20:53, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good. What would go under "Territories demanding additional permission for visit"?--Twofortnights (talk) 20:58, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

All the other elements.

Dependent and autonomous territories. For travel not important visa of a main country. NZ - Nuie, UK - Caiman, FR - New Caledonia. + Teriitories with other visa rules: Hainan, Kish Island.

Territories demanding additional permission for visit. For visits: visa or visa-free (main visa policy) + a permit. Grrece - Mount Athos. For RU is visa+permit, for UK is visa-free + permit. Maldives outside Malé, North Korea outside Pyongyang, Galápagos. Norvikk (talk) 22:28, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

The table has been changed. --Norvikk (talk) 20:35, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Andorra

It is my understanding that Russian citizens do not formally require visa to visit Andorra (although it is not possible to visit Andorra not entering Schengen country) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.113.99.39 (talk) 06:43, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

inadequate sourcing

The "timatic" template is completely inadequate to source refusal of admission for Russian citizens to certain European countries. I looked up these automated links for the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland, and none of the links verified the statement. The sixth and final one, Finland, only has a low-quality source to a Canadian newspaper.-- Seelefant (talk) 12:38, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

In addition, I do not think the recipropcity statement is correct. The citizens of all these countries can perfectly travel to Russia for any purpose. Ymblanter (talk) 08:22, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Norway

Norway should be marked as black due to tourist travel ban. 62.99.220.102 (talk) 19:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

San Marino and other micro states

There's an uncertainty as San Marino is colored grey while being formally visa-free while for citizens of some other countries it's colored green along with Andorra being officially visa-free but inside Schengen area (no separate border control also). The same applies to some other microstates not being officially in the Schengen area such as Vatican and Monaco. Please somebody correct this on the map. 81.223.231.214 (talk) 14:37, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

81.223.231.214 (talk) 19:57, 1 December 2024 (UTC)