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On 22 December 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to UMass Boston. The result of the discussion was not moved.

History section length

@ElKevbo: Since your inclusion of the maintenance tag in the History section of the article, I have moved content from the section to either the Campus section or to other articles. Another editor made a single edit that removed 314 bytes of content that violated WP:BOOSTER. The article's readable prose size is currently at 52 kB and the History section is currently at 43 kB. At the time of the maintenance tag, the article was at 60 kB. Because the overwhelming majority of the content that has been removed is from the History section, I think I can say that roughly 8 kB has been taken entirely from the History section. Per the WP:SPLIT rule of thumb, the article is still at a length that may require division. What other content in the History section do you think can warrant removal or relocation to other articles? Some of the content in the 2015 to present subsection is included in the J. Keith Motley and Marty Meehan articles (and I'd note that there is a fair number of news items published by the Dorchester Reporter and The Boston Globe related to 2017–2018 budget controversy that I'm aware of that are not summarized anywhere on those articles or the UMass Boston article and I do not think would make them overly detailed). -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 02:54, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not immediately sure exactly what material should be removed from this section and placed into a new History of University of Massachusetts Boston article but there is more than enough here to substantiate the creation of that new article. ElKevbo (talk) 03:36, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Made another major reorganization to content: moved all Columbia Point campus content in the History section to the Campus section. The History section is now down to 36 kB. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 20:00, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Moved more content from History section to Campus section. History section readable prose size now down to 31 kB. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 21:30, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead sentence

HI @ElKevbo: regarding your revert here location is already included in the institution name, and regarding your revert here governance was included - not seeing a strong rationale for either of those reverts. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough about the location. But the second revision you linked above does indeed reintroduce governance - it explicitly readded "public." ElKevbo (talk) 04:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"public." was present in the lead sentence in both revisions, just in different positions. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are not equivalent. ElKevbo (talk) 11:11, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The links are. But in a broader sense, this version provides more immediate context for this particular institution, bringing to the forefront that it is part of the public UMass system. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. And I object to you - once again - making an edit and using your edit summary to falsely claim that there is a supporting consensus in an article's Talk page. ElKevbo (talk) 00:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you disagree? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's critical to clearly and explicitly say that this is a public research university. And it's less important to say that it's part of a system. ElKevbo (talk) 00:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding this edit, city and state are included in the name, but country is not, and is necessary to provide context for our global audience. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, not for a city as well-known as Boston. Moreover, the adjective "American" doesn't tell readers that the university is in the United States as that adjective is also used to describe "American-style" colleges and universities around the world. ElKevbo (talk) 13:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, even for Boston. I grant you it's not the most obscure, but it's also not one that everyone of every nationality and background will know (particularly given that there are many places by that name). And those who don't need the context are not harmed by making the article more accessible for as many readers as possible. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 22 December 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved per WP:SNOW, considered in the context of the 100+ RMs proposed at once by this user. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

University of Massachusetts Boston → UMass Boston – WP:COMMONNAME. Theparties (talk) 14:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The full name provides a WP:TITLECON consistent naming convention across all articles on universities and colleges in the United States. Many reliable sources like Forbes and US News and World Report still use the full name. The OP has also made numerous individual RMs on this same issue like this one, which may violate WP:ACROTITLE or use a shorter common name that is rarely used outside a sports/athletic context. Better to stick to the status quo. Zzyzx11 (talk) 14:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as unnecessary, unwise, and confusing for readers. ElKevbo (talk) 14:55, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, per the comments of Zzyzx11. —Eyer (he/him) If you reply, add {{reply to|Eyer}} to your message. 16:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:TITLEFORMAT#Avoid ambiguous abbreviations, WP:ACROTITLE, and what Zzyzx11 and ElKevbo said. The proposed title is not sufficiently explanatory to people unfamiliar with the university. – Epicgenius (talk) 22:35, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.