Talk:United Airlines Flight 328/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Steelkamp (talk · contribs) 15:37, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I will be reviewing this article to see if it passes the WP:Good article criteria. I aim to get the review done within a few days, and then place it on hold for seven days. I have two good articles myself, those being 2020 West Coast Eagles season and Bayswater, Western Australia. I also have three good article candidates currently (Bedford, Western Australia, Collier Road and 2019 West Coast Eagles season).

– Steelkamp (talk) 15:37, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I am done with the review. Sorry for taking so long. I will place the review on hold for 14 days. If the issues below are addressed within that time, I will pass the article. Ask me if you have any questions about the issues below.

– Steelkamp (talk) 13:09, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I am happy to pass it now.

– Steelkamp (talk) 07:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Immediate failures

Earwig's Copyvio Detector shows that there is high similarity between this article and other websites. I do not believe this is a copyright violation however, because the parts highlighted to be copyright violations are quotes from the NTSB, which are not subject to copyright. None of the quick fail criteria are met. – Steelkamp (talk) 09:23, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Correct. There is an {{NTSB}} template at the bottom that indicates the article contains public domain content from the NTSB. Dhaluza (talk) 19:12, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good article criteria

Criteria 1

Well written

I find the first sentence of the lead to be awkward, with how it has the date as the first thing mentioned, rather than the name of the flight. I think United Airlines Flight 328 (UA328) was a scheduled domestic passenger flight from Denver International Airport (DEN) to Honolulu, Hawaii on February 20, 2021. would sound better.
United Airlines Flight 328 (UA328) was a scheduled domestic passenger flight from Denver International Airport to Honolulu, Hawaii. – One of these is an airport, and one is a city. Change to United Airlines Flight 328 (UA328) was a scheduled domestic passenger flight from Denver International Airport to Daniel K. Inouye International Airport in Honolulu, Hawaii. Alternatively, change it to United Airlines Flight 328 (UA328) was a scheduled domestic passenger flight from Denver, Colorado to Honolulu, Hawaii.
The Boeing 777-222 aircraft suffered nominally contained engine failure four minutes after takeoff – Should this be The Boeing 777-222 aircraft suffered a nominally contained engine failure four minutes after takeoff?
Parts Departing Aircraft – Should this really have capitals at the start of each word?
Parts Departing Aircraft from the affected engine cowling was recorded by eyewitnesses – Change "was" to "were", as PDA is plural.
The original 777-200 was distinctive for its Pratt & Whitney PW4000 engines that are about as wide as a 737 fuselage. – Specify that 737 means Boeing 737, as it is not mentioned earlier on the page.
It was redesigned exclusively for the 777 with a larger 112 inches (280 cm) diameter fan section – Replace this with It was redesigned exclusively for the 777 with a larger 112-inch (280 cm) diameter fan section.
The flight crew indicated they advanced power at that time to minimize time in expected turbulence – Indicated how? Did they say this in an interview after the flight. If so, replace "indicated" with "said". Did investigators determine this from the flight data recorder? If so, then replace "The flight crew indicated they" with "The FDR indicated the flight crew".
They elected not to dump fuel for safety and time reasons and determined that the magnitude of the overweight landing was not significant enough to outweigh other considerations. – This sentence is strange, particularly the word "magnitude".
UA flight 3025 – Is it normal to write it like this? Should it be flight UA3025?
It departed as flight UA328 from Denver International Airport's Runway 25 uneventfully at 13:04 local time. – Add something like , en route to Daniel K. Inouye International Airport (HNL) in Honolulu, Hawaii.
There are some instances of NTSB throughout the article without "the" in front of them.
The reactions section contains many small paragraphs of only one sentence. These should be combined to make larger paragraphs.
What is Commons Park? Does it have an article? Is it necessary to mention in the lead, or is Broomfield, Colorado adequate? I say this because the rest of the article barely mentions Commons Park.

Thats it. Steelkamp (talk) 13:09, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think I got all of these. The only point of disagreement is the date. That is important context that needs to go in the first sentence, i.e. the flight number is reoccurring, and the article is only about the occurrence on that date. I don't think putting it first is awkward, when you consider that many articles begin with: In [[context]] '''name''' is... Dhaluza (talk) 19:16, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the reactions section would work better as prose, rather than as a list. MOS:PROSE says Prefer prose where a passage is understood easily as regular text. Prose is preferred in articles because it allows the presentation of detail and clarification of context in a way that a simple list may not. Steelkamp (talk) 00:55, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, prose is generally preferable. But this section is an ongoing timeline, where the dates are important context. It's difficult to convert that to readable prose. Putting all the dates in the prose is awkward. You can convert to things like the next day, or four days later, but that can get awkward too. Dhaluza (talk) 00:59, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria 2

Verifiable with no original research

The flight crew began to complete checklists, including the engine fire checklist. As part of the checklist, the flight crew discharged both fire extinguisher bottles into the engine, but the engine fire warning did not extinguish until the airplane was on an extended downwind for landing. The flight crew continued to prepare for the emergency landing by completing additional critical checklists and verifying airplane performance for landing. They elected not to dump fuel for safety and time reasons and determined that the magnitude of the overweight landing was not significant enough to outweigh other considerations. – The reference doesn't support much of this paragraph.
An NTSB structures engineer and two investigators from the NTSB's Denver office collected fallen debris with local law enforcement and safety agencies over several days immediately after the incident. Most of the structure from the inlet cowl and fan cowl doors that separated from the aircraft was recovered and identified. Recovered portions of the inlet cowl, fan cowl door structure, and inlet cowl attach ring were laid out in a hangar (pictured). The inlet cowl, fan cowl doors, and thrust reversers will be examined further by NTSB to map damage and cowl failure patterns after the fan blade failure, and to examine the subsequent progression of fire in the thrust reversers. – Same with this paragraph (same reference).

Thats it. Steelkamp (talk) 13:09, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]