Talk:Umberto Bossi

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I would like to report that this article is very biased..

While the first paragraph of the Ideological background section is actually quite informative, the quality of the rest of the article is really poor.

Padania is not a proposed "macro-region" (with quotes?...), it's a *territory*, and even if the word was made more popular by Lega Nord, it has existed for quite a long time. Here are some references to its previous use (it's in Italian): http://www.padan.org/padan/gate.html?name=Content&pa=printpage&pid=149

Saying that "Padania gains attention today only for the Miss Padania beauty contest" is very incorrect. Padania is simply Northern Italy, and the two expressions are widely used as synonyms, even in relevant and respected essays: Fondazione Agnelli, La Padania, una regione italiana in Europa, Edizioni della Fondazione Agnelli, Torino, 1992.

Moreover: I think Federalism and Devolution are, quite obviously, words with a meaning. In Italy their meaning is even clearer, considered the currently centralised nature of the government. I don't think that calling them "buzzwords" is anything near appropriate...

There are a lot of other things that are quite wrong. I'm sorry that, right now, I don't have the time to help making this article a little less biased, and above all a little more reliable... I really hope I'll have it one day, or that somebody will..

This article, as it is right now, simply isn't honest.

Your link is just as biased as it can possibly get. It's a Lega Nord site, it's like asking Stalin whether the Baltic countries belonged to the Soviet Union.

As an Italian from Arona, on the border with the province of Varese where the Lega has a stronghold, I never heard the word "Padania" in my whole life before it was invented by Bossi. I'm not excluding someone might have used it before, but it is just as likely as someone saying Slartibartfast before Douglas Adams thought of the name.

Usage of the word Padania is currently a clear statement of political attitude. The Agnelli foundation is based in northern Italy, and not known for left-wing sympathies.

Italy is absolutely not especially centralised. France, for example, is too in pretty much the same extent. --Orzetto 08:40, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

I have to say this comment is broadly incorrect, and your logic is deeply flawed.

The "bias" of that link is just as *irrelevant* as it can possibly get: that link documents the usage of the word Padania way before its popularization by Lega Nord. As I said in the previous comment, Padania is a territory, and the word definitely wasn't "invented by Bossi" as you say.

Then, saying (or implying, like you did) that the Agnelli Foundation is somehow close to Lega Nord is really not honest, to say the least. The Agnelli family (the ones behind Agnelli foundation, owners of the Fiat group) is well known to be strongly against the current right-wing government, and *especially* against Lega Nord and the devolution proposal. The Agnelli family has a strong influence on two of the three best selling Italian newspapers (Corriere della Sera, La Stampa), whose editorial line reflects a strong opposition to Berlusconi's government and especially to Lega Nord and federalism.

Finally: when saying "Italy is absolutely not especially centralised", you're also stating the opposite of the truth. Many of the most important western countries (USA, UK, Germany, Spain, Switzerland, Canada...) have a federal model of government. Italy (like France) doesn't, and has a centralised model of government. This is hardly disputable...

I also noticed you took away the first paragraph - which was the *only one* which actually provided some insight into the history and the actual political stances of Lega Nord - almost in its entirety.

At the same time, you left untouched the parts that define federalism and devolution as.. "buzzwords".

There goes the NPOV... :-)

I'm just sorry I don't have the time to contribute directly to this article, beyond pointing out its bias. I only hope that the people who put their hands on it in the future can tell the difference between intellectual honesty and bias, and between facts and opinions.

U. B.

[edit, 10/04/2005: I've substituted my full name with my initials, for Google reasons. While I stand behind everything I say (my full name is still available in previous versions of the talk page), discussing things with anonymous people is a waste of time I'm not particularly proud of. :)]

P.S. Btw: I've no affiliation with Lega Nord (actually I strongly disagree with LN on certain issues) nor with any other political party. But I think devolution and federalism in Italy (that is, Lega Nord's main battle) would be very desirable things. Some of the reasons are in the quite insightful paragraph that, sadly, you decided to cancel almost in its entirety.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Umberto_Bossi&diff=22898326&oldid=22083941

I'm gonna put back the "disputed" flag. I hope, for honesty's sake, that it's gonna stay there.

I am afraid you are just another troll. Let's debunk your statements one by one...

• Your link contains just the usual propaganda crap. I'm from the North and I have not lived in a cave. The adjective "padano" is common, but "Padania" is an invention of the Northern League. This is a fact, and if you want to fight facts, welcome to the hard world. As I said, the word might have incidentally been uttered before, but it was and is not a common word for northern Italy. The fact that an article feels the need to demonstrate the common use of Padania is actually most telling. Proof of the fact it is bullshit? Run a google search with the word Padania, and see just how many links are not related to Lega Nord.
• About Agnelli. Next what, the Agnelli family is going to become a den of communists? Whenever did they attack the current government (that has been attacked by pretty much anybody anyway)? How comes that Corriere della Sera would be "strongly against the government"? You are quite blatant in your lies, how would you characterise La Repubblica, L'Unità or even Il Manifesto then? Remember you cannot bullshit that freely, there are other Italians around.
• Italy was centralised until the 70s, then regions and provinces were introduced. Regions can currently even impose their own taxes (so the government can claim they are lowering taxes when they are actually forcing the regions to increase them, but this is another story). 25% of the regions have a special statute that grants bilinguism in some areas, and in Sicily's case even a Parliament instead of a council. How is this centralised?
• The first paragraph (that I did not "delete", I condensed it in only one useful sentence) contained vast amounts of POV material, most of it unsubstantiated:
  1. "Northern Italians are basically disappointed[...]" Implies that all northern Italians support the League. In actuality it's a (however noisy and uncivilized) minority.
  2. "[...]the unfairness of Italian taxation and redistribution system:[...]" strong words, unsubstantiated.
  3. "the money collected in Northern Italy has always been wasted by the Italian ruling class[...]" absolute claim (i.e. hard to substantiate, only one exception is enough to break it. Eg, was Falcone's salary and the maxi-trials against mafia a "waste"?). Unsubstantiated anyway, even if not absolute. And, last but not least, it's plain false: official statistics (not recent, but I saw that on the Lombardy TGR some years ago) indicated that more money came into Lombardy from the central state than the other way around.
  4. "wages for useless state employees (Italy has more civil servants than the whole USA!)" beside that, again, you should either demonstrate they are useless or revert to "perceived to be useless", the parenthesised comment is ludicrous. First, you don't use exclamation marks. Second, who said that? About what year? Counting in all the 50 US states? Counting in the Italian state companies, like Eni and Enel, that are now privatised? Defining how a "civil servant", anyway? I call bullshit.
  5. "Bossi advocates more fiscal autonomy for Italian regions in order to break this chain and invest Southern politicians and Southern citizens with responsibility." This is just as propagandistic as it gets. The only thing Bossi wants to invest terroni with, is a truck (don't think the pun works in English, but I could not resist). Anyone who has lived in Northern Italy knows that there is no more xenophobic party than Lega Nord. If you know one, one only, mention it (and substantiate). As far as I know, no mayor has ever suggested shooting immigrants as animals except Gentilini. No one has been seen spraying immigrants on trains to disinfect the car (was that Borghezio on the Turin-Milan?). No one else has suggested apartheid (since anti-jewish laws of the late thirties) as documented, and substantiated, in the article about Lega Nord.
• Of course Federalism and devolution are buzzwords. Politicians (not just Lega's) have been talking about that for over ten years now, and the only result is a reform that is going to be buried next year by the new majority. Anyway, the word "buzzword" does not have any inherently negative characterisation, it only means it is being overused, and I hope you are not as silly as to try to tell me "federalism" has not been in every politician's program in the last ten years. Most federations are born out of more states uniting (US, UK, USSR, Germany, ...), not one being split. In Canada, "federalist" is the opposite of "separatist".

I do not believe for a picosecond that you are not a Lega supporter. Sorry, that sort of self-NPOVization does not really work. And of course, the NPOV flag is going to be removed, until some real NPOV issues are found in the article... because, in case you have not noticed, this article is about Bossi, and all your comments were about him [edit: Lega Nord and Padania] (This is not an invitation to go trolling on Lega Nord or Padania, though). --Orzetto 18:27, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

I've been quite accurate in everything I've written.

OTOH, your comments contain lies, insults, and you're continuously putting in my mouth things I've neither written nor implied even remotely.

Maybe it would be appropriate for you to revise your comments, bringing them back to a pertinent level for a reasoned discussion. I really hope this isn't the way you chose to convince the world that your POV is Neutral...

U. B.

[edit, 10/04/2005: I've substituted my full name with my initials, for Google reasons. While I stand behind everything I say (my full name is still available in previous versions of the talk page), discussing things with anonymous people is a waste of time I'm not particularly proud of. :)]

P.S. Oh, and maybe it would be nice to have the courtesy to sign comments with one's full name (or at least to make it available somewhere) like I did.

Of course, just in case you feel like standing behind what you say, like I do. :)

You know, chi si loda si sbroda. Your accuracy would best be described by others (see section below, written by someone else).

I am putting in your mouth nothing, I quoted the sections I removed since they were POV, and proceeded to explain my reasons for considering them biased. I see no countering on your side, only petty, unsubstantiated whining.

I don't have a neutral POV, nor do I need to. The article has to.

The NPOV notice is going to be removed until you point out something specific in the article which is false, inaccurate or POV. You cannot flag an article with a {{NPOV}} only because there is not enough praise for your personal hero. And if you must, use {{NPOV-section}} in the appropriate section.

For the record, one is identified by his nick on Wikipedia. Register yourself, and stop hiding behing a dynamic IP.

Finally, nice how you claim not to have time on your hands, while it seems you have enough to waste here. --Orzetto 20:12, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

The following sentence, just introduced by this anonymous person ("Orzetto"), is sadly symptomatic of how Neutral the POV of the article is.

"A rumour that has not been countered by Bossi is that he gave a fake graduation party, allegedly to convince his mother he had graduated."

:)

But this person is right on one thing: I have neither the time nor the will to keep up with vandalism, let alone when it comes from anonymous people.

The worst thing is, people like these are *seriously* compromising Wikipedia's reputation.

U. B.

[edit, 10/04/2005: I've substituted my full name with my initials, for Google reasons. While I stand behind everything I say (my full name is still available in previous versions of the talk page), discussing things with anonymous people is a waste of time I'm not particularly proud of. :)]

The sentence I inserted is a widely known story. Since Bossi never denied that, I inserted that. The sentence is perfectly NPOV, since it is stated clearly that it is a rumour. Even "Some people believe the earth is flat" is NPOV, for that sake. If you have any source of Bossi denying this, well spit out.

You still don't get, however, that {{NPOV}}$\neq$disagree. An article is POV if it is biased. You still have to point out one biased sentence in the article.

Last, you repeat this wannabe-snobbish claim of not having enough time, yet you continuously re-insert the NPOV template. and write in this page. --Orzetto 16:27, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

PS: get a life...

This article is biased

While I know nothing in particular about Bossi or his politics, biased comments such as "the unfairness of Italian taxation," "wages for useless state employees," "the money collected in Northern Italy has always been wasted by the Italian ruling class," etc., have no place in a Wikipedia article. At worst, they should be presented as points of view on a particular side of a conflict, not as objective fact. Bias sneaks in later in the article (less egregiously) via the "some people say" method: "often described," "compared by critics," "despised by many," etc.

This article should be flagged and rewritten.

Fixed to the best of my capabilities. --Orzetto 09:11, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Bossi wasn not sentenced to 8 months uin prison for bribe but for a public donation, by Montedison, which broke the law concerning the public finanicng of political parties. The main role in this case was played by Patelli, the treasurer of the party, who was later expelled. the article also fails to mention that the money were returned by the party after the illegality of the action came up. I have noticed several other events narrated with a clear bias but I will comment on those another time. regards Alphacento — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.8.94.160 (talk) 03:20, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Recent Revert

I reverted the following edit by 62.101.126.228 as it did not include any reference for verification, did not fit in well with the flow of the article, referred to unknown individuals and/or did not provide links to explain whom they are, and needs improved grammar:

Not only: when Nicola Calipari had been buried in Rome with Italian flags everywehre Bossi, Calderoli (a minister), Castelli (another minister), Tremonti (another minister) and Maroni (another minister)were singing in Lugano (Swizterland)

"noi siamo padani abbiamo un sogno nel cuore bruciare il tricolore" "we are padanians we have a dream, burn the three color flag(the italian Flag) Dudes I'm Italian can you understand me? They were ministers of italian Republic. Oh dear!

--Thisisbossi 10:17, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

not a real doctor/leaving university

I read that Bossi didn t finish his university studies and his first wife left him because he lied about that. http://www.taz.de/pt/2007/03/05/a0140.1/text Should that part of the article ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GLGerman (talk • contribs) 11:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Weasel words

"Umberto Bossi is often described by some as a neo-fascist, racist...low-cultured maverick."--I would certainly count myself as one of those people, but I think this should be re-worded less strongly for the sake of maintaining the article's neutrality, unless of course you can quote it from a respectable source (as in, not necessarily someone without any kind of political bias, but someone whose opinion gets things shifted in Italy like a govt. minister or someone). It's like those band articles in which the NPOV rules are easily swerved by prefixing a statement with "Some people say that..." or something along those lines; eg. "Many consider Iron Maiden to be the undisputed greatest metal band of all time"....d'you see what I'm getting at here?

To some degree I agree with what you're getting at (though try more appropriate section headings next time, please), but those very terms are often used in describing this individual. Many describe Adolf Hitler as a bad man (thank you Godwin's Law) and Mahatma Gandhi as a good man... sure you can find some praising one or villainising the other; but there is a verified stance stating the former of each viewpoint. I'd say that these descriptions fit the common accusations made toward his creeds. If someone can think of a better way to phrase it, have at it. --Bossi (talk ;; contribs) 23:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Is this article currently not in violation of WP:BLP? --LC 01:03, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the style paragraph [1], find some references first! --LC 01:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Controversies

A number of the Controversies on the Lega Nord article center around Umberto Bossi and have specific quotes. Maybe some of that material could be worked in here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.52.215.67 (talk) 21:05, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention there are various controversies focused on Bossi himself; what about the fact that he spent aimlessly 20 years or so in university and that he lied to his first wife about being a doctor? . Oh, and he still had a long way to go to finish hist studies....

References

Links

Please note that the link in "Interview" doesn't lead to the title it is supposed to point. (May be the article had been removed or it was directed to a temporary page ...) Anyway it should be fixed. The problem is "how", since I was unable to re-find that article again.

Similar problems happen with the citations and references, especially if taken from old newspapers (they seems to remove old articles after a certain date). I cannot figure out how we can circumvent these kind of problems. Keith 64 (talk) 06:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

This page has libelous material to be removed

I was advised to ask you what I wrote to them. The page of Umberto Bossi has not only unflattering material but libelous, fake material. Other people tried to change it but they were either blocked or the same material came back. There must be something serious behind I think. Could you please help? We prefer to solve the issue without legal actions but we need your help. Thank You Nicoletta Maggi (private secretary od Senator Umberto Bossi) Here what I wrote to them:

DearSir,

I was advised to write to you by the Legal Wikimedia Foundation as I don't know how to solve the problem. Mrs Katie Francis wrote to me that you will help me with the wikipedia page of senator Umberto Bossi.

I'm Nicoletta Maggi, the secretary of Senator Umberto Bossi, founder of the Northern League a former leader of the party.

His wikipedia page is not only full of false and misleading information on him and on his family, there are also defamation and libel. things that could lead senator Bossi to bring an action against wikipedia.

As he prefers to solve the problems in a peaceful way without lawyers, I'm asking you how to change the page.

Above all, he is with a clean record, irreproachable, like his family. He has no processes anymore, also the president of the Republic, Sergio Mattarella, grant grace to him last December for the alleged offences to the former President of the Republic Giorgio Napolitano.

And it's not true that Roberto Maroni found the party with him. The party was found by him on April 1984 and Maroni joined in 1989.

In all the processes both Milan and Genoa he is out and incensurat, irreproachable. Why cannot the page be changed? It's unfair. These are a few agency launches proving that.

1) >>>ANSA/ Fondi Lega:prescritta truffa, ma resta confisca 49 mln >>>ANSA/ Fondi Lega:prescritta truffa, ma resta confisca 49 mln Cassazione annulla senza rinvio condanne a Bossi e Belsito (di Lorenzo Attianese e Melania Di Giacomo) (ANSA) - ROMA, 6 AGO - Reati prescritti per Umberto Bossi e Francesco Belsito nel procedimento sulla truffa per i rimborsi elettorali. Ma la confisca dei 49 milioni alla Lega è confermata e definitiva. Lo ha deciso la sentenza della Cassazione, che dopo 5 ore di camera di consiglio ha annullato senza rinvio le condanne e le confische personali per l'allora leader della Lega e l'ex tesoriere del partito. Ma non si 'salva' il Carroccio, su cui continua a pendere la maxi-confisca. Belsito resta responsabile di appropriazione indebita: per lui ci sarà in questo caso la rideterminazione della pena in Appello. Confermate le condanne per i revisori Diego Sanavio e Antonio Turci, accusati di indebita percezione di erogazioni a danno dello Stato. Assolto il terzo revisore Stefano Aldovisi. Il processo di secondo grado, per l'ipotizzata truffa aggravata ai danni dello Stato da parte dei due esponenti dell'allora Lega Nord, si era invece concluso con la sostanziale conferma del verdetto di primo grado: i giudici avevano inflitto 1 anno e 10 mesi a Bossi e 3 anni e 9 mesi a Belsito. Secondo l'accusa il partito aveva ottenuto i rimborsi elettorali ai danni del Parlamento, tra il 2008 e il 2010, falsificando rendiconti e il bilancio. Durante l'udienza in Cassazione, Belsito aveva chiesto la ricusazione dei giudici del collegio della sezione feriale chiamato a decidere sulle condanne dopo che il suo avvocato aveva avanzato istanza di "rinvio per integrazione documentale", rilevando che in cancelleria mancava il fascicolo relativo al dibattimento di primo grado e la "documentazione sui conti correnti del partito Lega". Una richiesta bocciata dai giudici del collegio deputato a decidere e che ha dato il via alla Camera di consiglio che ha poi emesso la sentenza. Nella sua requisitoria il Pg, Marco Dall'Olio, aveva invece chiesto la conferma delle condanne per Belsito e Bossi, parlando di "indubbie spese per la famiglia Bossi". "Non è vero che i rendiconti erano solo generici. Erano anche falsi: si diceva 'rimborso autisti'. Ma in realtà si finanziava la famiglia Bossi. E non è un aspetto secondario - aveva sottolineato Dall'Olio - , è sotto questo profilo che si configura il reato di truffa". Le condanne in Appello per truffa aggravata allo Stato e la confisca di oltre 49 milioni di euro erano arrivate dopo le inchieste della Procure di Milano e Genova da cui emersero una serie di spese del partito per la famiglia Bossi. Queste ultime erano contenute in una cartella dalla scritta "The family", che conterrebbe anche i pagamenti per i corsi della laurea di Renzo Bossi, figlio del senatur. Ad essere sotto accusa era dunque la violazione delle leggi per l'erogazione di quelli che vengono chiamati "rimborsi elettorali". Resta aperta invece la questione della conferma della sentenza di secondo grado al processo gemello di Milano. Il prossimo 11 settembre la Cassazione è chiamata a decidere sul ricorso della procura generale di Milano, che chiede di estendere anche ai due Bossi la querela presenta dal leader della Lega Matteo Salvini nei confronti del solo Belsito. Anche in quel caso Belsito ha ricusato il collegio e se la richiesta dovesse essere accolta si dovrebbe costituire un nuovo collegio. Se invece fosse respinta, si avrebbe poi la sentenza.(ANSA). ATN-KZV 06-AGO-19 22:31 NNN

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2 Fondi Lega: Renzo Bossi, 49 milioni sempre in casse partito Fondi Lega: Renzo Bossi, 49 milioni sempre in casse partito Dei 147mila euro spese contestatemi neanche un euro accertato (ANSA) - ROMA, 7 AGO - "I 49 milioni in discussione nel processo di Genova, come controllabile dai bilanci pubblicati sul sito della Lega, sono sempre stati nelle casse del partito". Così in una precisazione Renzo Bossi giudica "assolutamente falso e inventato" il loro utilizzo "per spese familiari". "Il reato contestato nel processo di Genova sarebbe di aver preso i rimborsi elettorali avendo depositato bilanci errati; il deposito dei bilanci era l'unico requisito per poter ricevere finanziamenti pubblici ai partiti in base alla percentuale presa alle elezioni", aggiunge Renzo Bossi. Per quanto riguarda il processo di Milano, Renzo Bossi precisa che di "147.000 euro di spese non vi è nemmeno 1,00 euro pagato dal partito a mio favore accertato; tanto è vero che molte delle spese sono state derubricate a 'tentata appropriazione' (quindi senza nessun pagamento effettuato) e per altre sono stato assolto". "Quindi, si parla di spese contestate non accertate", conclude. (ANSA). TZ 07-AGO-19 15:15 NNN

3 >>>ANSA/ Fondi Lega:sfogo Bossi,caso cavalcato e io defenestrato >>>ANSA/ Fondi Lega:sfogo Bossi,caso cavalcato e io defenestrato Figlio,49 mln in casse partito. Belsito, confronto con Salvini (di Lorenzo Attianese) (ANSA) - ROMA, 7 AGO - Una vicenda "cavalcata da altri" e un verdetto che il giorno dopo rispolvera vecchi dissapori politici nella Lega. Il fondatore del Carroccio, Umberto Bossi, si sfoga all'indomani della sentenza della Cassazione che sancisce la prescrizione per il reato di truffa per il 'senatur' e l'ex tesoriere Francesco Belsito nel procedimento sui rimborsi al partito. Resta confermata invece la confisca dei 49 milioni di euro alla Lega. Belsito resta responsabile del reato di appropriazione indebita: per lui ci sarà in questo caso la rideterminazione della pena in Appello. "Non ho avuto conseguenze sul piano penale ma quei soldi li ho presi e lasciati nella cassa del partito. L'unico rammarico è che per questa vicenda, cavalcata da altri, sono stato defenestrato. Il partito, che era il mio partito, oggi è di altri. Mi sento dignitosamente riabilitato come politico e come uomo", ha spiegato Bossi attraverso le parole del suo legale Domenico Mariani. Belsito, da parte sua, ha detto di essere "stato lasciato a lottare da solo. Ma io ho la coscienza a posto. Ho lasciato i conti in ordine, i miei investimenti hanno generato tutti plusvalenze. Quello che è successo dopo non devono chiederlo a me, non posso sapere come hanno usato quei soldi Maroni e Salvini", aggiungendo di essere disposto ad un confronto con l'attuale leader leghista "per dimostrare la mia buona fede e il mio buon governo dei fondi della Lega". Nella loro sentenza, i giudici della Cassazione hanno annullato le condanne e le confische personali per Umberto Bossi e l'ex tesoriere del partito. Confermate le condanne per i revisori Diego Sanavio e Antonio Turci, accusati di indebita percezione di erogazioni a danno dello Stato. Assolto il terzo revisore Stefano Aldovisi. In particolare, per il 'senatur' viene annullata la confisca di un quinto del vitalizio da ex parlamentare europeo e di una parte della casa di sua proprietà. Prima della sentenza nella sua requisitoria il Pg, Marco Dall'Olio, aveva invece chiesto la conferma delle condanne per Belsito e Bossi, spiegando: "Non è vero che i rendiconti erano solo generici. Erano anche falsi: si diceva 'rimborso autisti'. Ma in realtà si finanziava la famiglia Bossi. E non è un aspetto secondario - aveva sottolineato Dall'Olio - , è sotto questo profilo che si configura il reato di truffa". Ma per Renzo Bossi, figlio del fondatore della Lega, "i 49 milioni in discussione nel processo di Genova, come controllabile dai bilanci pubblicati sul sito della Lega, sono sempre stati nelle casse del partito" ed è "assolutamente falso e inventato" il loro utilizzo "per spese familiari". Resta aperta invece la questione della sentenza di secondo grado al processo gemello di Milano: il prossimo 11 settembre la Suprema Corte è chiamata a decidere sul ricorso della procura generale di Milano, che chiede di estendere anche ai due Bossi la querela presentata dal leader della Lega Matteo Salvini nei confronti del solo Belsito. ATN 07-AGO-19 18:02 NNN

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I also have articles to prove everything I say. If you need them, feel free to ask me.

I hope you will help me.

Thank You very much, I remain

Sincerely Yours

Nicoletta Maggi (private secretary and press officer of Senator Umberto Bossi) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.64.127.5 (talk) 12:24, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

I've added one of the most recent rulings by the Cassazione as reported by international media. Do you have suggestions on how to translate "Truffa aggravata per il conseguimento di erogazioni pubbliche" (art. 640 bis cp)? Nemo 22:54, 25 February 2020 (UTC)