Talk:Turkey–Islamic State conflict

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Requested move 13 September 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. The consensus is that the present title is more common in reliable sources and also a more accurate description of the topic. Jenks24 (talk) 10:38, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Turkey–ISIL conflict → Turkey–ISIL relations – Per WP:COMMONNAME. A simple Google search for "Turkey-ISIS conflict" yields 5 results. However, "Turkey-ISIS relations" yields 680 results. I know that this article uses the term ISIL, but I refrain from searching this term since the article Wikipedia article is already named ISIL. It will yield an amount larger than its worth of organic third-party search results for that specific term. To understand what terminology the global community uses more often, it's best to use another term that would mean the same thing. In this case, that term would be ISIS. Étienne Dolet (talk) 02:47, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment In another simple Google search, for "Turkey-ISIL conflict" yields 2,310 results. However, "Turkey-ISIL relations" yields 5 results.

Greg Kaye 08:32, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: current title is more common. Khestwol (talk) 10:32, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment this is a formulaic and descriptive title. It's not a COMMONNAME issue, since there is no real name, it's just a description. -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 06:44, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Republic of Turkey and this war faction in control of territory do not have diplomatic relations. The group has taken control of territory and Turkey has most notably supported a unified response. Greg Kaye 05:27, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The current title better presents the actualities of the situation. Greg Kaye 05:27, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Name and scope

User:EtienneDolet above misunderstands WP:COMMONNAME. "Most common name" is for proper names, or equivalent phrasings of one and the same referent. But some articles on Wikipedia have compositional, descriptive titles, and there we follow general Wikipedia practice (after it is established that indeed the topic has notability e.g. within a WP:SS framework). E.g. we have "Turkish involvement in the Syrian Civil War". EtienneDolet here would argue that this precise phrasing cannot be valid because it is only found on Wikipedia. He would be (and is), of course, mistaken: This is, rather, a sub-article of Foreign involvement in the Syrian Civil War, which is itself a sub-article of Syrian Civil War.

Similarly, this article here is in turn a sub-article to Turkish involvement in the Syrian Civil War, because it is about the relation of Turkey to one specific party in the war. Now it is possible to discuss that there has been "conflict" between Turkey and IS, but it is even easier to establish that there has been collaboration between Turkey and IS. Both are real, but our article title here pretends there is just "conflict". This leads automatically to awkward article structure with sections titled "Turkey (implicitly) supporting ISIL?" and the like. Clearly, the article is broken because it is based on a biased premise from its title, the remedy is to make it an obvious and neutral sub-article to "Turkish involvement in the Syrian Civil War" (and others).

It is also necessary to say prominently at the top of the page that this is the sub-article to one section at Turkish involvement in the Syrian Civil War, i.e. Turkish_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Turkey_and_ISIL. The fact that the section in question has a neutral title may be taken as a pointer towards the solution of the (sarcasm) advanced, intractable problem of finding an adequate title for this page. --dab (𒁳) 10:38, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Only suspected ISIL attacks

A lot of the instances listed in the box "Turkey-ISIL conflict" are only allegations by the Turkish government, but were never claimed by ISIL. Should we remove those? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BountyFlamor (talk • contribs) 20:31, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]