Talk:Tresillo (rhythm)

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Wrong

Translation is creating some artificial information here. This is 6/8 clave on 3-2 pattern (usually played with tresillos/triplets over 4/4), or a commonly named 332 rythm. There is no rythm called tresillo, on any language. There's no common usage of tresillo word to refer a 3+3+2 rythm, challenge to find a source for that.

Big problem

This article is extremely confused. The Tresillo rhythm given at the very beginning of the article is not a triplet rhythm. It is not a cross rhythm either, or a hemiola of any sort. Whoever wrote this has confused a 3 + 3 + 2 rhythm with triplet rhythm, and written as if they are the same thing. They aren't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.30.112.22 (talk) 07:39, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The term tresillo has two meanings in Latin music. In the formal usage tresillo means triplet. In its common usage, it means the 3+3+2 rhythm. This is explained in the article. The two meanings are each given their own sections. The article also explains how the 3+3+2 rhythm is generated by cross-rhythm. In African-based music the hemiola and 3+3+2 correlate. Perhaps the writer above did not read the entire article?Dr clave (talk) 06:19, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think the confusion arouses from the current links to Wikipedia articles in other languages. The Spanish wiki articled linked here refers to triplets, not to the rhythm described in the English article. I can't be sure about other languages, as I don't speak any of them, but they also seem to be referring to triplets, and not to the tresillo rhythm. This should be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.192.167.190 (talk) 17:07, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Similarities to Dancehall Beat

The Tresillo is identical to the rhythm which underpins Jamaican Dancehall music (the first two rhythmic values being played on the bass drum, the final beat on the snare). Since we already have a section on its appearance in Middle Eastern and Asian music, surely this should be referenced somewhere? Ancrene wisse (talk) 12:01, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Very clear and informative article, I enjoyed reading it. I agree with Ancrene wisse that a reference to Dancehall is appropriate, as this rhy.thmic pattern, in it's additive form as explained in the last paragraph of the article, is very dominant in the genre. As a musician, I found that last paragraph enlightening. As a bass player in the middle east, playing music with many influences, I often play bass lines based on tressilo and others, based on it's additive cousin. These have a very different feel to them, although they can be notated the same way. Udi Raz (talk) 03:34, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"brackets"

Tresillo (rhythm) § Triplet (formal usage) includes the following partial description of the piece of musical notation that appears below it:

[...] it is indicated by the number 3 (in brackets) as shown below.

$\new RhythmicStaff { \clef percussion \time 2/4 \repeat volta 2 { \tuplet 3/2 { c8 c c } \tuplet 3/2 { c8 c c } } \repeat volta 2 { \tuplet 3/2 { c4 c c } } }$

"The number 3 in brackets" is normally understood to mean "[3]", but that doesn't appear in the bit of notation. Evidently the term here refers to the mirror-image pair of long horizontal lines with a short downward tick at the outer end, with a "3" between them, over the three crotchets (quarter-notes) in the second measure.

I searched Wikipedia for a reference to "brackets" in the context of musical notation. The main sense seems to be this (from Staff (music) § Ensemble staves), nothing like the sense used in this article:

A bracket is an additional vertical line joining staves to show groupings of instruments that function as a unit, such as the string section of an orchestra.

Finally in Tuplet § Triplet I found this. The word is used in the singular and is apparently considered merely a description, not a piece of musical terminology. (Boldface added):

Similarly, three triplet eighth notes (quavers) are equal in duration to one quarter note. If several note values appear under the triplet bracket, they are all affected the same way, reduced to 2⁄3 their original duration.

$\new RhythmicStaff { \clef percussion \time 2/4 \set Score.tempoHideNote = ##t \tempo 4 = 100 c8 c c c \tuplet 3/2 { c8 c c } \tuplet 3/2 { c8 c c } }$

I'm editing the article to use the word in a similar way.

--Thnidu (talk) 00:04, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 11 September 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: MOVED the disambig to primary per discussion. Hadal (talk) 15:04, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tresillo (rhythm) → Tresillo
Tresillo → Tresillo (letter)

– Extremely obscure letter with 150 views / month ("occasionally seen even today!"), vs. fairly commonly discussed rhythmic pattern with 2,700 views / month ("Tresillo is the [...] most prevalent duple-pulse rhythmic cell in sub-Saharan African music traditions.") The letter has two incoming links (not counting data tables) and the rhythm has 36, of which 6 were previously incorrectly disambiguated (including on the article jazz). – Thjarkur (talk) 23:00, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the rhythm is most prominent in modern books, second is es:Tresillo (juego) a 19th Century card game, similar to Renegado (card game) and same as Voltarete -> variant of Ombre/es:Zanga. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:03, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just seen that Tresillo (disambiguation) already exists linking to content... "Under the name Tresillo, it survived in parts of Spain during the nineteenth century, as Voltarete in Portugal and Brazil, as Rocambor in countries such as Bolivia, Peru, and Colombia in the twentieth century, and it is still played as L’Hombre in Denmark, mostly in Jutland and on the island of Funen, where it is organized by the L'Hombre Union." In ictu oculi (talk) 08:11, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support 2nd move clearly the letter isn't Primary. But neutral on 1st, given the option of dab at baseline. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:15, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also be in support of that. – Thjarkur (talk) 08:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support 2nd, move DAB to base name.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:30, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support 2nd, neutral on 1st, the DAB could be moved to the base name to avoid problems with incoming external links but anyway the rhythm gets over 90% of the views[[1]] so could still be moved to the base name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:51, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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"Triplet" section and also some omissions

Is the triplet subsection explaining what a triplet is? There is already a link for that. If it's not this, I really can't understand what it is trying to explain, nor are there any citations. Another point is that this rhythm also exists in European folk music. Aren't there many countries missing from the article? 146.199.88.129 (talk) 18:42, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drill music & Jersey Club

Drill and jersey club use the tresillo extensively, drill in the hi hats, jersey club in the kick drum, literally the basis of both genres. 2601:40F:C102:6610:79D8:53B:3BEB:26BD (talk) 01:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Post-bop

Most of the paragraph is just garbage. "Those structures are accessed directly" - not sure what that means, except "I am very smart." "On the version recorded on Miles Smiles by Miles Davis, the bass switches to tresillo at 2:20" - no it doesn't. It doesn't switch to anything, and is not playing tresillo. It's playing crotchets/quarter notes.

Maybe that idea was taken from the wiki page for Footprints, which says "The ground of four main beats is maintained throughout the piece. The bass switches to 4/4 at 2:20" - both these sentences are also nonsense. 122.148.184.131 (talk) 23:04, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]