Talk:Timeline of transgender history

Date wrong but needs spanish speaker

In December 27, Chile's Gender Identity Law came into force, allowing people to change their legal name and gender without the need of sex reassignment surgery.[301][302]

Is clearly broken - but the two links have differing years, and it's in Spanish, so needs a Spanish speaker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.197.208.46 (talk) 08:17, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Edit filter triggered for SPS

In saving this edit, an SPS edit filter was triggered, with a warning about possible unreliable sources, as follows: "Angelfire, Blogger (including blogspot.com), Geocities, Livejournal, Rootsweb, WordPress.com". As all of the content in this edit was copied from Timeline of LGBT history, 21st century, including the refs, I went ahead and saved anyway. However, the references should be checked against this list, and tagged (e.g., {{Better source}}) or removed and tagged {{cn}}. This should be linked from Talk:Timeline of LGBT history, 21st century as well. Mathglot (talk) 03:49, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Additional sectioning post-2012

From around 2013 on, we probably need further subsectioning, or at least bold headers, to organize by months, or maybe quarters. The yearly lists are getting too long, and don't appear to be chronological within year. Mathglot (talk) 07:42, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Offloading some detail from LGBT timelines

There are four LGBT timelines, and as things stand, Timeline of LGBT history, 21st century alone is 383k bytes. As it is, this article is a duplicate of the transgender content of the sum of those four, and it would be better to have all the T detail here, and just a summary there, in some form. See Talk:Timeline of LGBT history, 21st century#Split possibility for a discussion attempting to address this. Mathglot (talk) 10:24, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

What's in this article?

In theory, this article is a duplicate of all the trans-related items from the four LGBT timeline articles (First, 19th c., 20th, 21st). I used a regex to find trans* items, and the regex got more complex as I went; at the end, it was this:

• (gender identity|gender expression|gender[- ]neutral|third gender|transgender|intersex|cross[- ]?dressing|transvest|transs?exual)

So it's possible that some items in the LGBT timelines got missed, especially in the earlier parts (older history). Or, that I forgot something entirely that the regex won't catch. So it's possible that there are un-copied items in the LGBT timeline articles. Mathglot (talk) 10:41, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Mine transgender history for more items

The article Transgender history can be mined for additional items. For example, there's Lili Elbe and her operations. What about Herculine Barbin? But it's also not completely clear what level of historicity is necessary for inclusion. What about Chevalier d'Eon, James Barry, or Albert Cashier; maybe they're not ground-breaking enough? To the extent that any timeline is like a list article, where the list items are the chronological events, it should probably have inclusion criteria. Mathglot (talk) 10:53, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Herculine Barbin was Intersex. Repeated attempts to erase Intersex history by repackaging it as something else entirely is not appreciated by the Intersex community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.45.25.249 (talk) 21:20, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Link clutter

Feel free to reduce the link clutter on some items here. This resulted from the fact that some items were multiply listed in the source article from which they were copied, and landed adjacent in this article after date sorting. Duplicate items were then consolidated, but they sometimes had different sourcing, and rather than decide which ref was better or best, they were all kept. Mathglot (talk) 03:21, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

There needs to be a page dedicated to sex and gender minorities that do not identify as or with the LGBTQ labels or the grouping

Collapse politico-religious rant with LGBT pseudo-history by vandalism-only account

It is well established fact even through the U.S governments own research most people reject the LGBTQ labels and grouping that have some degree of same sex attraction or that have legally changed their sex. LGBTQ research is severely flawed and LGBTQ history is nothing more than a work of fiction and blatant academic fraud! Court cases have been being rigged to between LGBTQ activist and religious conservatives and only them! That is the court allowing religious conservatives to decide based on their beliefs who is male, female heterosexual enough and only a sexual sinner in ways they approve of! Everyone else that fails to meet that standard is dumped into the LGBTQ labels and grouping regardless of how they feel about it or legal sex status (transsexual and intersex by original definitions. That is the court establishing a national conservative Abahamic faith based religion and test! It's also the court engaging in human sex trafficking to both the religious conservatives and LGBTQ activist a federal sex crime for which judges should be being arrested for. Add to that both the LGBTQ and religious right with court permission in violation of the court's constitutional authority and law, all fifty states Constitutions and laws to violate rights to freedom of association, freedom of religion, the full faith and credit clause not honoring legal changes of sex and placing conditions on them the court possesses no constitutional authority to do thus invalidating them, allowed both groups to practice psychology and religion on all non LGBTQ or religious conservative identifying Americans. These Judges must answer for their crimes as well as the University system and professional organizations behind this sexual predation and treason. There has never been an unbiased check to judge if the adoption and promotion of the LGBTQ language and grouping was a cause of mental health problems and suicides. If knowledgeable in this subject area you can see huge problems with the research that has been being conducted within the VA in this area. Not a single published paper about men who have sex with men or women who have sex with women that reject the LGB labels and the LGBTQ grouping, Not a single paper about people that have argued the VA's transgender and intersex guidelines are not legal or constitutional and violate the full faith and credit clause! Basically VA hired LGBTQ activist to run it's entire LGBTQIA program including research and have allowed them to harass and bully veterans and to promote bad research as propaganda to make the program look like a perfect success! Read the New York Times article and see only the most dysfunctional and bullied 1/3rd of same sex attracted youth identified as LGB! There are many, many other sources! Sexual & Gender Minority Research Office | DPCPSI (nih.gov) Gay and Lesbian High School Students Report ‘Heartbreaking’ Levels of Violence - The New York Times (nytimes.com) 67.136.4.196 (talk) 06:43, 18 August 2022 (UTC) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/

Collapsed. Mathglot (talk) 02:58, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Additional information.

DIANNA BOILEAU, DR. HAROLD CHALLIS AND TRANSGENDER RIGHTS

In 1970, Dianna Boileau (c. 1930s-2014) became the first Canadian to receive gender-affirming surgery. The catalyst for Dianna’s transition was Dr. Harold Challis, a British physician at La Verendrye Hospital in Dianna’s hometown of Fort Frances, with a rare and progressive understanding of gender for the time. Dr. Challis saw Dianna frequently in her youth and learned of her struggles among her peers. His counsel helped Dianna and her family with her transition to begin living openly as a woman. In 1970, Dianna received gender-affirming surgery through the new Gender Identity Clinic at the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto. In 1972, she told her life story in a ground-breaking autobiography, recounting her relationships and medical journey, but also incidents of harassment, discrimination and abuse. The international media blitz that followed traced the challenges of being trans in her time and provided a public face for transition when few existed. Dianna married in the 1980s and disappeared from the public eye. The fight for provincial funding for medical transition waged until 2008. It helped unify and focus the trans movement in Ontario for decades to come. By going public with her story, Dianna helped bring awareness to transgender rights and medical transition.

206.125.204.86 (talk) 23:55, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 01:59, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm not the person you responded to, but there is an article on Dianna Boileau covering this which has references, so it should probably be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.122.18.228 (talk) 04:01, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Pointing to another article is not sufficient. Please do not reopen this until you provide an edit request in a proper format (see, e.g., WP:SAMPLEER). voorts (talk/contributions) 15:02, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Philo/Manilius Quote is NOT Real

The footnotes reference books which do not have the actual quotes sourced. Bad scholarship. Nowhere in Philo's work is that quote found. 2603:7000:9400:8A99:F560:E1DD:6E77:BE12 (talk) 04:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

It's in Philo's "On the Special Laws" (De Specialibus Legibus). The exact quote appears in English as early as Julius Rosenbaum's 1901 "The Plague of Lust" (volume 1), with a full quote of the original text as a footnote. VintageVernacular (talk) 11:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 September 2024

2003 Marci Bowers relocates to Trinidad, Colorado ( known as the “Sex Change Capitol of the World”) and becomes the first woman and first woman with trans history to perform Gender Affirming bottom surgery in the world. 2A00:23C5:C715:C501:1042:3FD5:AA7C:34DD (talk) 16:52, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:56, 20 September 2024 (UTC)