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Review: October 6, 2023. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from Martha Washington Hotel appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 October 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the hotel The Redbury New York did not accept men for 95 years?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Redbury New York.

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Lightburst talk 14:17, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The Redbury New York

... that The Redbury New York hotel did not accept men for 95 years? Source: Lobbia, J. A. (November 17, 1998). "Martha Washington goes coed". The Village Voice. p. 26. Credit goes to Vaticidalprophet for this one.
- ALT1: ... that a former ballroom at the Martha Washington Hotel became a nightclub, then a mosque? Source: Lobbia, J. A. (November 17, 1998). "Martha Washington goes coed". The Village Voice. p. 26.
- ALT2: ... that once-prominent Hollywood actress Veronica Lake was later found working as a barmaid at the Martha Washington Hotel in New York City? Source: Tangney, William E. (March 22, 1962). "Glamor Girl Veronica Working for Meals". The Austin Statesman. p. A11.
- ALT3: ... that the board of directors for a women's hotel in New York City was initially composed mostly of men? Source: "Woman's Hotel is Now a Fact". Democrat and Chronicle. March 14, 1903. p. 9.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Sims 2: Bon Voyage

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 14:04, 28 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Redbury New York; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: >
@Epicgenius:The first hook definitely caught my attention. Earwig's Copyvio came back as 20%, but most of the similarities were actual names. Well sourced and neutral. I'm only pending your QPQ, let me know and I'll approve it. This is my second DYK review, so I'm happy to receive guidance if I am doing it incorrectly. Annwfwn (talk)

@Annwfwn: Thanks for the review. I'll do a QPQ this weekend and will let you know when I complete it. Epicgenius (talk) 17:29, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Annwfwn: Thanks for your patience. I've done a QPQ now. Epicgenius (talk) 15:02, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Then this is ready to go! Thanks, Annwfwn (talk) 18:07, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:03, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Redbury New York/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Voorts (talk · contribs) 18:17, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~Review to come.~~

@Epicgenius: Excellent work.

Spot-check (all good unless otherwise noted):

1b
3a
8a
9e
14a
17 (but see note below re "laboratory")
30a
33a
73 - the source does not say that it was the first women's hotel in NYC
76
31d
89
96
102 & 103
112
120 & 121
128
138
142
151 & 152
165
187
191

Copyvio/paraphrasing:

Some too close paraphrasing / directly copied text: [1]

Additional notes:

Nearby buildings include the Church of the Transfiguration, Episcopal and the James New York – NoMad to the west, the Emmet Building to the south, and the Colony Club building and the Roger Hotel to the north. Is there a better citation for this sentence? Additionally, the previous sentence currently uses the same cite, so if not, remove the note at the end of that sentence.
Next to the restaurant was a writing room, laboratory, and waiting room for men. The source does indeed say "laboratory", but I have to believe this is a typo given the context of having some accommodations for men. I believe it should have said "lavatory". Since we of course can't ask the newspaper what they meant or ask for the typo to be corrected, I recommend removing "laboratory" from the sentence.
There was also a long hallway leading to a check-in desk, with mid-century modern furniture. Please clarify whether the furniture was in the hallway or the lobby area near the check-in desk.
The second story had a tenant-only dining room, as well as several private reception rooms ... Please specify when.
Given that this is a New York building, was the 13th story called the 13th floor or did they skip 13 and go to 14?
About 36 women lived on each floor, and there were four communal toilets and four bathtubs on each floor. When?
the company believed that the hotel could pay a 5 percent annual dividend and earn at least $150,000 per year for other hotels. It's not clear to me what "for other hotels" means. Does it mean that they wanted to use the money to build more hotels?
lent 55 pieces and 7 sculptures to the hotel for decoration I assume this means 55 paintings?
King & Grove CEO Ed Scheetz and Chetrit Group co-owned the hotel until 2013, when Scheetz took over five of the partners' 14 properties, including the King & Grove New York. Clarify when the hotel was renamed the King & Grove New York.
Consolidate refs 12, 17, and 47.
Doing the Town describes the hotel as being targeted towards white, middle-class women; you should definitely address class/race when you nominate this for FAC (as I presume you will).

That's all I've got. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:04, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review @voorts. I will fix these soon, but I would first like to note two things:

Thanks for the catch regarding ref 73. The hotel most definitely was not the first in NYC; in fact, an earlier women's hotel by A. T. Stewart is mentioned earlier on in the article. I rewrote the article based off this revision but forgot to remove that bit.
I have removed the close paraphrasing, which was also based off an earlier copy of the article (although I suspect we might have a reverse copy on our hands, since the Historic Hotels page didn't appear in the Internet Archive until 2020). Some of the other phrases may fall under WP:LIMITED (i.e. proper names and common word formations like "on both 29th and 30th Streets").

– Epicgenius (talk) 20:16, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again @voorts. I've fixed all of the above issues now. I also have a few specific responses to some points:

Is there a better citation for this sentence? Additionally, the previous sentence currently uses the same cite, so if not, remove the note at the end of that sentence. - Unfortunately, the best source that I could find is the city's official zoning map (which verifies that the addresses of the buildings mentioned are close to each other) and the city's landmarks map (which verifies the locations of city landmarks only). I normally would turn to the AIA Guide to New York City, but that guide doesn't include the Martha Washington Hotel.
The source does indeed say "laboratory", but I have to believe this is a typo given the context of having some accommodations for men. - Yeah, it was likely a bathroom.
Given that this is a New York building, was the 13th story called the 13th floor or did they skip 13 and go to 14? - It was called the 13th floor, but sources don't even consistently describe the hotel as having 13 stories, since that floor is the top floor and only covers part of the site. I suppose some sources consider it to be a penthouse.
For the sentences where you asked "when", they were from the hotel's opening in 1903.
It's not clear to me what "for other hotels" means. Does it mean that they wanted to use the money to build more hotels? - Yes.

– Epicgenius (talk) 23:00, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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