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The Punisher (2004 film) was a Media and drama good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
December 16, 2008	Good article nominee	Not listed
January 4, 2009	Good article nominee	Not listed

Current status: Former good article nominee

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Fair use rationale for Image:Punisher dvd 2004.jpg

Image:Punisher dvd 2004.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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Copyright Violation?

What is UP with the Pre-Production section? It reads like something straight out of Entertainment Weekly. I really hope it's just a talented Editor.Lots42 01:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely sounds like propaganda. "Mixed reviews"? 28% on Rottentomatoes (cited) is hardly mixed. More like "mostly negative". --SalvadorRodriguez 05:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Production section contains material copied directly from [1]. Olessi 21:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the original addition to the article.[2] Olessi 21:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Plot

"Former Delta Force operator and undercover FBI Special Agent Frank Castle had it all:" Shouldn't this be "operative"? I also agree with Lots, several places in this article seem copy & paste from press releases.JeffHCross 00:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Run on sentences

The plot summary has too much run on sentences. Lots42 (talk) 16:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Victims

I'm 99 percent sure that a lot more people died in the attack on Castle's family then just his parents, wife and kid. Lots42 (talk) 23:51, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Soundtrack

76.241.106.240 and 4.224.60.153 keep adding and removing the content of the soundtrack section and it needs to be talked through (as trying to edit war your preferred version into the article is not working(. I see two options:

Have a short summary paragraph along with the {{main}} link to the soundtrack page.
Start a merge discussion to bring to bring the content back into this article.

I don't see replicating the track list in this article (when it is being covered in a separate article) as being necessary. So could we stop the back and forth until this issue has been resolved? (Emperor (talk) 12:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Cult Status

I added "cult" before action film in the initial paragraph because this film has a substantial cult following. If you disagree and edit it out, please leave a comment here. Thedeparted123 (talk) 20:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not a cult film, it's never been referred to as one and the reference link leads absolutely nowhere.76.244.1.220 (talk) 22:17, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Score Album Artwork

Here's the score album artwork if anyone wants to upload it.

http://www.thepunisher.com/past_news/may_2004/punisher_pg1.jpg 76.205.67.87 (talk) 03:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Punisher (2004 film)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

This article does not meet the good article criteria and has too many issues. It has therefore failed its nomination. Issues include but are not limited to:

Insufficient references:
- "Novelization" is completely unreferenced
- Most of "Home media" is unreferenced
- Where's the reference for most of the information in "Soundtrack", including the track list?
- "Awards and nominations (2005)" is completely unreferenced
The references need to be formatted per WP:CITE/ES to include at least publisher and access dates; it is suggested that {{cite web}} be used

Once these issues have been resolved, feel free to renominate the article. Thanks! Gary King (talk) 03:01, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to Talk:The Punisher (2004 film)/GA2

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Punisher (2004 film)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Renomination

This addresses your renomination of the article. I have noted some issues below and may add more as I look through the article.
Cquotes are deprecated for quotes now. You should use either blockquotes or quote. See MoS quotations.
Also, the blue pull quote should not have quotations inside it.
Could you elaborate on the "Release and reception" section? What did critics like/dislike about the film? In other words, can you be more specific?
Also, web references need publishers and access dates
I have used a script to delink the dates per WP:Overlink.

—Mattisse (Talk) 04:13, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

I notice that you are working on the article and have the following suggestions.
Is there no more about the "Release and reception" that you can add?
Some references do not seem reliable per WP:RS, for example (I did not go through all of them, but any references you use must meed the reliable source standards.

Also, for references you must show author, publisher, and accessdate or retrieved date for web sources, page number for books etc. One way is to use citation templates like Citations of generic sources citation family or the Template:Citation family. You can also do them by hand and not use a template. Look at Batman or other movies to see examples.
Look for articles on movies similar to this one at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Films#Featured_articles to get ideas for how a film article ideally should be. (Not that you are expected to raise this article to FA status, but it may give you some ideas.)—Mattisse (Talk) 21:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): Although I have tried to copy edit the prose, it still needs work b (MoS):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): References are provided b (citations to reliable sources): However, the sources do not seem to be reliable, being mostly questionable web sites c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): yes b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: I am guessing that it is NPOV
It is stable.
No edit wars etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

There has been very little work on the article recently and no comments on this page from the nominator. The article still needs more copy editing. However, the most pressing problem is that the references are unreliable. Sorry!

—Mattisse (Talk) 19:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Images

This article is either bordering on or crossing the fair use limit. There is no reason to have 3 separate home video images of the movie, especially since the regular DVD and Blu-ray Disc versions are practically the same (minus the mandatory Blu-ray label that all Blu-ray Disc releases have to have). WP:FU would say to use just 1 (even that is pushing it as a DVD/BD cover is not really needed since the article already has 2 other fair-use images in 2 separate posters). TJ Spyke 06:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Russian and Tombstone

even though it says Kevin Nash was Russian (comics) and I think they refer to him that way in the film, didn't his clothing resemble Tombstone (comics) a bit? Ranze (talk) 15:27, 25 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Surrogate mom?

Plot

A smuggling operation in Tampa Bay results in the deaths of Bobby Saint, the son of mafia boss Howard Saint, and Otto Krieg, the arms dealer.

Howard and Otto had a son together, eh? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.89.176.249 (talk) 00:48, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cameo

There's a 14 or 15 year old rumor that gets brought up once in a blue moon, that the Punisher made a cameo appearance in the Spider-Man 2 film, but the only thing that's based that on is that the guy somewhat looks like Thomas Jane (opinion) and is wearing all black... that's it. But now there saying it was his stunt double from the film, but it's never been proven from anyone, no "quotes" or statements, they claim it's from a Wizard Magazine and the audio commentary from Spider-Man 2, but after 14 or 15 years, no one has shown statments from anyone. Story wise it makes no sense, also, Sony didn't own the rights to use the character, they would have gotten sued by Lionsgate, there was no MCU at the time. I want see the statements from the filmmakers, Thomas Jane and I want to hear an audio recording from the commentary, is that too much to ask for????108.208.137.67 (talk) 04:03, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]