Talk:The Miami Showband

A fact from The Miami Showband appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 19 April 2011 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that five members of the popular Irish band The Miami Showband were shot in an ambush by the Ulster Volunteer Force at a bogus military checkpoint in Northern Ireland?

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Name origin

The article needs to say how they got their name. It's on irish-showbands.com--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:41, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks - feel free to edit it yourself! Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:00, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mick Roche

Roche had already left the band by the time the massacre happened in July 1975, but the article does not state this. The article needs to say when he left.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:33, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have since fixed it.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:42, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

McAlea or Lee?

This is an article about the band itself, and, where a stage name is used, it's usual practice to use that name in the text, rather than a musician's birth name. For example, an article about the early Rolling Stones would not normally refer to Jagger, Richards, Jones, Watts and Perks. So, in this case, the musician should be referred to as Des Lee, rather than McAlea. Reports about the killings would be more likely to use his real name, but this article is not about the killings. So, I'll revert back to Lee. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:17, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, fair enough. Actually, I should have discussed it here before changing. Sorry.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 21:18, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, if only all editors could be as gracious! Thank you. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:20, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it was very arrogant on my part; it's you who is being gracious. Once again, let me tender my apologies for making such an impetuous change sans prior discussion. I now see that using McAlea here would be akin to calling Wyman Perks in the Rolling Stones' article.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:49, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not arrogant at all - it's not "my" article! Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:20, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Religious makeup of the group in 1975

I think the article should mention that the 1975 lineup at the time of the massacre (O'Toole, McCoy, Geraghty, Travers, Lee, and Millar) comprised both Catholics and Protestants. Brian McCoy from Caledon, County Tyrone was a Protestant - Church of Ireland to be precise.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:06, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure. Was that something that was unusual or commented on at the time (before the killings), or was it something that was claimed to influence those responsible for the killings? If the answer to both those questions is "no", my own view is that it's not relevant to this article. If we include it, it seems to me that it may be regarded as synthesis, in that we are suggesting by inference that it was relevant. Most articles about 60s bands don't make a point of commenting about the musicians' religious backgrounds, and that should apply to bands in Ireland as much as anywhere else - unless, as I say, it is regarded as relevant by reliable sources. It would be more relevant to mention it in the article about the massacre itself, but not necessarily in this article, in my opinion. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:17, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK. It is already mentioned in the massacre article as it is indeed more relevant there. Just thought I'd ask. Actually the band members themselves were not aware that Brian McCoy was Protestant until he stood as best man at one of the other's wedding!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:14, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Memorial

It occurs to me that the picture of the memorial to the band members in Dublin (and a sentence in the text) might be more appropriate for this article than the photo of the road itself. Thoughts? Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:20, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why not create a separate section and include the photo of the memorial?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:25, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In this article it should be part of the Massacre section, not a new section, and I think a picture of the memorials is preferable to a picture of the road. This article is about the band, rather than the killings, and shouldn't given undue weight to the killings themselves, given that there is a separate (excellent) article on the killings. I'll change it, and we can see what we think. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:27, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your choice looks good, Ghmyrtle. I like the quote as well. As you rightly say, this article is about the band, not the killings.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:49, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Vegas act?

The BBC4 documentary 'Showbands: How Ireland Learned to Party' mentions they played in Vegas for a while. I imagine that's notable if anyone can fill in more details. Imalone (talk) 21:49, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting documentary. I've found a source and added a mention of Vegas. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:47, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]