Talk:The Hang Ups

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Regarding Speedy Deletion

First of all, the article is a work in progress. If anyone feels the band looks unimportant and completely obscure at the moment, that might be cleared up once I expand it. I just started the article no more than an hour ago.

Now, as for arguing importance, I'm not entirely sure when and how a band becomes "important," but considering that The Hang Ups have four major studio releases, an appearance in the Kevin Smith film Chasing Amy (and its soundtrack), warm responses from many publications like B-Side, CREEM, and Musician, and more than decent web exposure (Allmusic recognizes all their albums and has reviews, Rolling Stone recognizes two of them, last.fm has 26,000 or so plays on them, etc.), I think the band has proved itself at least recognizable. The Hang Ups have a lot more presence in the music industry than typical indie bands, especially in Minnesota. It's not just a couple of us in this state that listen to them, either, although they are certainly most popular here in their home state.

Really, I'm sort of confused as to how one argues for an indie band's importance. Yeah, there's the fact that they put out music that people liked, but other than that, what makes a band important other than sheer popularity? The Hang Ups aren't Neutral Milk Hotel in terms of popularity and widespread listens, but then again, almost no indie band is. But still, I was sort of surprised to see that The Hang Ups don't have an article when they seem reasonably well-known when it comes to "obscure" indie bands.

Of course, if someone still wants to delete the article, that's all right I guess, but in the meantime I'll keep working on it.

Kazzikins (talk) 00:11, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the speedy deletion tag as it's clear that plenty of coverage exists. There's plenty at Allmusic (a bio and several reviews), and I have also found the following that you may find useful:

Trouser Press entry
article from Rift
links to several CityPages articles
Seattle Post-Intelligencer article
Seattle Weekly review
Los Angeles Times article
Several Minneapolis CityPages articles:[1],[2], [3], [4], [5]
Billboard article
another Billboard article

There also looks like enough coverage for an article on Brian Tighe's other band, The Owls: [6], [7], [8], [9].

Let me know if you need any help with this.--Michig (talk) 09:28, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More on The Hang Ups: PopMatters review, Phoenix New Times, and on The Owls: Star Tribune, SF Weekly.--Michig (talk) 10:17, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]