Talk:Telus Corporation

This new article was forked from the previous article Telus Corporation, which consisted mainly of a timeline. The older article was moved to A timeline of the history of Telus Corporation. Content from that article is being included here in the relevant sections, "Overview", "Background", "Assets under management", "Subsidiaries and Associate companies", "Acquisitions and Mergers", "Management" with a subsection for "Board of Directors".Oceanflynn (talk) 18:20, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Conglomerates, parent companies, subsidiaries, and divisions

Telus Corporation (conglomerate), with a history going back to 1990, is the parent company of Telus Communications, Telus Mobility, Telus Health, and Telus International. Telus Health, which was formerly known as Emergis, an e-Business was acquired by Telus Corporation in 2007 for $763 million. Telus Health was divided into three segments—'Telus Health Solutions, Telus Assyst Real Estate, and Telus Financial Solutions.

References

However, there is some confusion that results from the official company policy of using the capitalized TELUS in the media when referring to Telus Corporation and Telus Communications, etc. This is similar to Talk:Quebecor and Quebecor Media which for awhile had two articles with overlapping content in the infoboxes. It would be helpful to clarify distinctions by cited RS as precisely as possible Telus Corp vs Telus Communications etc, in articles related to Telus.Oceanflynn (talk) 16:51, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Reorganization of Telus pages

There is a discussion which proposes a reorganization of the various Telus pages here.

For additional information, about the proposed changes, please go here. Thank you. -- WILDSTAR^talk 13:36, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 14 June 2020

Telus Corporation (conglomerate) → Telus Corporation – No reason for this article to have a disambiguation in the title when the more concise title was free. It should be renamed as per WP:CONCISE. Svgalbertian (talk) 15:57, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Svgalbertian, jumping the gun aren't you? Please allow the process already started here, which is more than just a page move, to evolve to a possible outcome, before requesting any changes. -- WILDSTAR^talk 16:17, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Putting back the template on this one cause it is more of a technical move. The purpose of this article has been established and it should follow the article naming guidelines and conventions. I put it up for discussion more as a courtesy. --Svgalbertian (talk) 16:57, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree with the name change from Telus Corporation (conglomerate) to Telus Corporation.Oceanflynn (talk) 01:34, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

This does not require a requested move. It takes too long and meets this criteria: No article exists at the new target title, only a redirect, there has been no discussion (especially no recent discussion) about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title, and it seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

I personally do not necessarily have a problem with dropping of the parenthetical disambiguation qualifier from Telus Corporation (conglomerate), but I do have strong opposition to the related, parallel discussion on potentially moving Telus Corporation to Telus. Simply put, while Telus Corporation is the publicly-traded holding company, yes, it conducts most of its business activities through the telecommunications company, Telus Communications, Inc. As a holding company, it generates little, if any, what I would term to be significant coverage in reliable, independent sources, beyond corporate earnings announcements and announced acquisitions of new subsidiaries and business units (neither of which count as significant coverage, as described in WP:CORPDEPTH). Moreover, there is a Wikidata entry for Telus (as both the publicly-traded parent and telecommunications principal operating subsidiary companies). Further, Telus has been transwikied/translated on other language Wikipedias. It seems to me the only realistic solution here is to rewrite the lede of Telus and re-organize Telus to include information on the significant corporate events of its history (referencing BC Tel in a section hatnote, where applicable), its operating divisions, and other subsidiaries. In short, I can potentially see having separate articles for Telus Health, Telus International, and maybe Telus Mobility, but even that, we still have now 4-5 stub- or C-class articles when we should be, arguably, having a substantive and comprehensive merger discussion that contemplates both what and how to merge. Dmehus (talk) 17:55, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

There is no parallel discussion, nor has there ever been one, to move Telus Corporation to Telus -- WILDSTAR^talk 18:26, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Suppport move to Telus Corporation. Unsure of wider dispute here, but the (conglomerate) parenthetical is not needed when the title has Corporation in it.--Bob not snob (talk) 07:21, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

No dispute. I believe everyone is actually on the same page now per here. Asked for a technical assist. -- WILDSTAR^talk 16:03, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

New Sections

Removed the "divisions" from "Subsidiaries and divisions" heading. Best not to start adding all the many Telus divisions. There are many, and adding all of them would be no better than having what was forked into a new article called A timeline of the hisotry of Telus Corporation and quickly changed to History of Telus. Don't need to head towards another fork. To that end, commented out the Babylon section to preserve the references. It's a c/p from Telus which may better suited for the Babylon article. Added new heading called Community investment. Normally Community involvement is used, but this one could include additional material on the new Canadian initiatives TELUS Ventures and TELUS Wise. -- WILDSTAR^talk 23:25, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

TELUS versus Telus

A user has changed all the mentions of TELUS to Telus on the page, stating "Wikipedia writes in encyclopedic writing style, not "follow corporate branding preferences". Here is the edit - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Telus_Corporation&diff=1230394799&oldid=1230321389

This is contrary to many other pages where this is not followed (other pages). I haven't edited pages myself, but I'm wondering which one is correct. Examples : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMware

All mentions on these pages follow the companies' way of writing their own brands (iPhone vs iphone vs Iphone / VMware vs Vmware). Should we revert this edit?

ThisCouldHaveBeenYou (talk) 17:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I've found this style guide : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Trademarks

and this one : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Capital_letters#Trademarks

The last one states the following : For trademarks, editors should choose among styles already in common use (not invent new ones) and, among those, use the style that most closely resembles standard English text formatting and capitalization rules.

So I think the normal capitalization rules should apply, but I like the way it is mentioned in other Telus articles :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telus_Mobility

"Telus Mobility (normally typeset as TELUS Mobility) [...]" ThisCouldHaveBeenYou (talk) 17:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)