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Comment

Can the image links be fixed?I don't want to remove them in case they can, but if not, I will take them out.Stoa 05:27, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Location

The summary states that Tarsus is 20 km from the Mediterranean, looking at Google maps the modern city can't be more than 10km from the sea. I'm not an expert but perhaps it should be fixed.

The diagram of Turkey at the head of the article gives a useful indication of the general location of Tarsus but the map that it links to is of no value. The GoogleMaps alternative is more helpful in exploring the geographical context of the city. Douglasson (talk) 09:52, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction?

Opening sentence: Tarsus … is a historic city in south-central Turkey, 20 km (12 miles) inland from the Mediterranean …

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Geography

Located on the mouth of the Berdan River (Cydnus in antiquity), which empties into the Mediterranean, Tarsus is a junction point of land and sea routes … — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.114.17.38 (talk) 05:52, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No modern history?

If anyone knows about the modern history of Tarsus (12th century-onwards), please feel free to add it to this article. Also info about the city today would be nice. —Khoikhoi 03:33, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tarsinian?

Does any one happen to know what one would call a person from Tarsus? Is it a Tarsinian? I'm thinking more in ancient history, so Turk etc. wouldn't apply. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joebloggs69 (talk • contribs) 16:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

nasty tampering

I just wanted to let someone know that in the second paragraph of the history section, some idiot messed with the writing by exchanging the original words for some stupid ones. Read the first couple of sentences in that section and you'll see what I'm talking about. Keith L. Buchanan ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.149.61 (talk) 21:09, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Seven Sleepers Tomb

It seems that the 7 Sleepers tomb is either in Ephesus or Amman (Jordan). I found no information about it located in Tarsus. Someone has more details? Tatoeba (talk) 08:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Elaboration of history under Islam until 965?

I am thinking that the first paragraph of the 'Islam and beyond' section could include more details of the situation of Tarus as a border city between the Byzantine empire and the Islamic caliphates. Specifically I think people would be interested to know that this city probably changed hands several times in these years. It was also a gathering point for volunteers from all over the Muslim world to fight on the frontier against the Byzantines. From Taurus, when the Caliphate had possession, it was sometimes used as a base of operations for annual summer raids into Byzantine territory.

I've been reading The Arabs, Byzantium and Iran: Studies in Early Islamic History and Culture, C.E. Bosworth (1996). Which I would cite as a source.

-Chaozu42 (talk) 12:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Two corrections

1. The population figure includes rural areas around Tarsus as well. A more correct figure for the city itself (2008 est.) would be 228 471.

2. Something is wrong with the location of Tarsus on the map. Actually that particular mark belongs to Mersin rather than to Tarsus. Tarsus is a bit east of what is marked as Tarsus .

Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Life in Tarsus today"

I just removed the following section entitled Life in Tarsus today: Tarsus has slightly more in the way of culture (cinema, theatre, museums) than most Turkish country towns, but in many ways still has a small town feel; people walk in the road rather than on the pavements. Predictably, the people of the mountain forests in the hinterland have an even quieter rural existence. I visited the town in 2006. It has just the amount of cinema, theatres, museums, libraries, whatever, that you would expect of a city with close to a quarter million inhabitants. I would hesitate to call it a "country town" at all, but it's obvious that smaller towns have fewer cultural institutions, so what? Also, most streets do have pavements, and people actually walk on them to avoid getting hit by cars. That "people in the mountain forests" have a more rural existence goes without saying. In sum, the section doesn't provide any info that isn't either nonsense or self-evident. Jimmy Fleischer (talk) 17:09, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On what basis is Tarshish to be identified with Tartessus in preference to Tarsus ?

The text cites the Book of Jonah, but does not give any source for preferring to identify Tarshish with Tartessus ahead of Tarsus. Given the proximity, its importance as a trading centre on a river mouth easily accessible by ship from Israel, the attested variant name "Tarsis", and the dialectal variation in Hebrew between the northern tribes who would pronounce it as as "Tarsis" and the southern tribes who would have pronounced it as "Tarshish", isn't Tarsus far more likely to be Tarshish than to be another prosperous town thousands of miles away in a different cultural zone? Zoetropo (talk) 14:59, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Having been familiar with the Biblical account for some 60 years, I had assumed that "Tarshish" was just some OT variant of Tarsus. However, Tarsus is not a coastal city (GoogleMaps) so why would it be cited as a destination for a ship from Joppa? For an argument in favour of Tartessus see Curtis Clark (sermon dated 03/Apr/2016). Douglasson (talk) 10:17, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Page view stats contradict the primary topic claim of the city. Favonian (talk) 11:23, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tarsus, Mersin → Tarsus – per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: "Tarsus" is overwhelmingly associated with the city in Cilicia, from its importance in Christian history alone. The other primary terms, Tarsus (skeleton) and Tarsus (eyelids), are too technical, and the other occurences are named for the city. Constantine ✍ 11:42, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In each of the past 4 months Tarsus (skeleton) has been viewed 2-3 times as often as Tarsus, Mersin. - Station1 (talk) 08:34, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
A) This should have been proposed as a multi-move as it would require moving the disambiguation page if successful. B) Without evidence of the historical city being the primary topic, I'm inclined to think the disambiguation page should remain in place. I think of bones when I hear "tarsus". older ≠ wiser 14:51, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose; I'm with Bkonrad, I think bones. Need clear evidence of primary topic to override that, not the same old unsupported assertions that anything related to Christianity is automatically more important. (And what in the world does being "named for the city" have to do with primary topic?) Powers ^T 20:13, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support with the usual dab-hatnote. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:50, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Foreign languages

It is not necessary existence of foreign languages here except Hittite language.Cause there’s no inhabitants in Tarsus who speak these languages. And these are not its international names. Because Wikipedia is not a LANGUAGE DICTIONARY like my edits were removed. Kelpo11 (talk) 15:38, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

While I'm generally in favor of not overloading the opening sentence with multiple foreign-language terms per MOS:FORLANG, and I did not add them in the first place, the rationale to include them appears to be WP:PLACE: In the lead: The title can be followed in the first line by a list of alternative names in parentheses ... Relevant foreign language names (one used by at least 10% of sources in the English language or that is used by a group of people which used to inhabit this geographical place) are permitted. According to the history, that would seem to apply to Greek - the Greek name was added thirteen years ago [1] and has not been a problem for anyone else so far - and to Arabic, which was added three years ago [2], and probably Armenian. I did remove Hebrew, because it was not the primary language spoken by the population, though it could possibly be considered relevant due to it being the birthplace of St. Paul.

If you think there's an inherent conflict between MOS:FORLANG and WP:PLACE, you could open a discussion on the talk page of one of those guidelines. If you want to obtain consensus to remove the names from this article, especially Greek, you could ask for a third opinion. --IamNotU (talk) 13:05, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]