Talk:Syria Files

A fact from Syria Files appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 July 2012 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that WikiLeaks' Syria Files showed relations that Finmeccanica and Brown Lloyd James had with Syrian authorities during the Syrian uprising?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2012/July. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Syria Files.

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Notability

Mentions in the media doesnt mean notability. I can show you hundreds of articles in the media that are far from notworthy. This is not wikinews and notability is not adjudged by NOTNEWS. The two paragraphs here can easily fit into the list of wikileaks realeses as a subsection. Because its terms with a proper noun does NOT mean its independent article noteworthy enoughLihaas (talk) 10:59, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be suggesting that an early two-paragraph version of this article be included as a subsection of Information published by WikiLeaks rather than claiming that the information itself is not notable. The notability of WikiLeaks and the Syrian uprising (2011–present) have been well-established in the Wikipedia by each consisting of a whole series of related articles. The international mainstream media have chosen to focus attention on the link between the two via the Syria Files. IMHO the only serious question is whether this should constitute a subsection of Information published by WikiLeaks or not.

The Information article presently has 6 main subsections, together divided into 31 subsubsections (and one subsubsubsection), and the present version is 85 kb long. The present version of this article is 14 kb long, which would bring the total length up to about 100 kb, which would imply that it needs to be WP:SPLIT.

If you really think that we should merge this article into Information published by WikiLeaks, then please propose that, but IMHO your proposal would be closed by WP:SNOWBALL. There have been no claims that the 2-million emails claim is false, and only a few dozen emails have been published so far. We can't predict the long-term significance of the Syria Files, but there's no point merging now, making a long article even longer, and having to split the material out again in a week or so.

Does anyone object to removing the notability tag? Boud (talk) 21:04, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are 11 secondary sources - I'll remove the tag for the moment. IMHO a merge proposal might make sense in a few weeks' time, if the RS'd content has not increased by too much. Boud (talk) 08:23, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

External links

In this edit, i removed the following external links. In general, IMHO they have very little chance of passing Wikipedia:EL - they mainly seem to be private, unattributed commentary (presenting the point of view that the Finmeccanica relation with Syria was morally unacceptable by using imagery and the word "criminal"), and here are some other specific problems:

Article Indymedia Calabria (IT)
- requires acceptance of a non-mainstream security certificate for https access
- is in a non-English language
Article Indymedia UK (ENG)
- article has hidden status at the source website (readable but considered to violate the website's editorial policy)
Selex Tetratac Syria Project
- mostly empty page unless javascript is enabled - not the most useful for an encyclopedia article

If someone wishes to restore one or more of these external links, it would probably be a good idea to first read WP:EL and then explain here on this talk page. Boud (talk) 19:48, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good

Now, WikiLeaks does good in the eyes of the government.

Anonymous173.57.44.147 (talk) 01:55, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]