Talk:Swat District

How about renaming it to Swat Valley?

The Swat Valley article doesn't exist and redirects to this page. Waqas.usman 00:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I've just noticed that Swat District is a redirect. I think most of this article should move to Swat District to put it in line with the other districts articles. There is an article on the Swat River which might be a good place for the Swat Valley to redirect to. Green Giant 00:45, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

why does the article on swat seem to be changing so much.last time when i referred to it a week ago i learnt that the shrivatsava clan from india has origins in swat and it was called as shrivatsu...and now there is no trace of this...so is this true or false.and if so why was it put in the first place.i wud appreciate a response.thanks.

==Correct spelling is Swat Pronunciation is also Swat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.127.197 (talk) 03:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC) Its pronounce and known is SWAT in the all documents of Govt of Pakistan and the Inter net search.

It may be pronounced Sawat but it is spelt Swat, see it listed on the official government website here, so it should remain as it is. For example Rhode Island is pronounced "Road Iland", and Worcester is pronounced Wooster - but this doesn't mean we should change the spelling in the articles. Pahari Sahib 06:11, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Alert

Buddhist section of the article needs citations. It is currently unverified.--Jhelyam (talk) 00:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

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blue blooded?

removed this from text "" blue-blooded Yousafzai's" seems distinctly non-neutral, asserting they are somehow royal/noble?78.86.25.78 (talk) 09:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

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Unexplained removal of category by blocked user Paknur

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Sambalpur vs. Swat Valley (Vajrayana Buddhism)

Both Sambalpur and the Swat valley have been named as the historical origin of King Indrabhuti of Uddiyana. This article does not mention that there is any divergence of opinion regarding this. In this particular aspect, without further evidence, the historic location of Uddiyana and it's famous king must not be couched as fact. (20040302 (talk) 08:44, 4 February 2010 (UTC))

Once again, I see that the arguments regarding the historical origin of King Indrabhuti have been swept under a rug. The current article states It is generally accepted that Tantric Buddhism first developed in Swat under King Indrabhuti. - but the reference is an unpublished source: "Italian Archeological Mission in Swat 2012". Actually there remains some debate regarding that. I have added the relevant sentence back into the article (20040302 (talk) 12:18, 23 September 2013 (UTC))

Militancy

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/10/pakistan-taliban-swat-valley http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8043185.stm http://www.undispatch.com/pakistans-swat-valley-offensive-one-year-later-video

Get real people: this article is a tourist pamphlet designed by the Pakistani government. No mention of the takeover by the Taliban and the subsequent bloody offensive in 2009? No mention of the refugees, the ubiquity of weapons or the the stoning to death of women for adultery? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prunesqualer (talk • contribs) 09:17, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

The assertion that the royal family of Swat is Gujjar Rajput via intermarriage is POV without any evidence whatsoever. Field Marshal Mohammed Ayub Khan is a Pashtun of Tarin tribe of Hazara and there is no other connection of the Akhund family with Gujjar or rajputs of any description. I feel the person who inserted this POV is under the misapprehension that people of Hazara must be Gujjars - although the original inhabitants were gujjars they were supplanted by Pashtun and Turkic tribes i.e. Tarins, Yusufzais, Jaduns, Swatis and Tanolis etc.User: Moarrikh 20:56, 4 November 2011.

Dear Sirs, I think that this article needs quite a bit of cleaning up for style and also more refs/citations, considering its such a long article with much information that isnt reliably sourced. Maybe the regular editors of this and creator might kindly review it? Also, I would agree with User:Moarrikh above that while there have been fictitous and mala fide claims by some people in the past, the Ruling family of Swat are def Pushtuns/Pakhtuns, not Gujjars, and are related by inter-mariage to many eminent Pakhtun or Pakhtun-origin families such as the Tarin/Tareen, Yusufzais, Khattaks etc . Thanks, and many good wishes, AsadUK200 (talk) 06:07, 8 April 2012 (UTC)AsadUK200

Actually, Ayub Khan was not a Gujjar, however, Abdul Ghafur, the first of the present royal family was a known Khatana (a branch of Gujjars). He was born in the late 18th century. The ruling family has had connections with the royalty in Chitral as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.47.205.130 (talk) 18:44, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

A beautifully written article more akin to a travel guide than to an encyclopaedia entry. The language used is rather quaint, in the style of English spoken in India and Pakistan. I mean no disrespect to the author, but the style needs to be more in keeping with Modern English, and the travellogue narrative needs to be converted into a factual encyclopaedic entry. Further, I agree with other comments that the dreamy paradise described is not in keeping with recent events, and reads more like propaganda than credible fact. Really, the entire article needs a complete review.Historygypsy (talk) 22:13, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Merge Swati language (Pakistan) into Swat, Pakistan

Swati language (Pakistan) does not seem to have any information that wouldn't properly belong on Swat, Pakistan. In fact, that page is mostly ethnological information with only a brief mention about the language(s) of Swat. That page could be expanded into a page about the languages of Swat, including Swati Pashto, Gujari, Hindko, Torwali, Kalami, etc., but unless someone is going to take on that project, it would be better to simply merge the information into this page. YBG (talk) 06:28, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Kwamikagami has boldly replaced the page with a redirect to Pashto language. I plan to follow up on this by (1) verifying that none of the deleted information is missing from this page and then (2) replace the redirect with a dab page (or maybe a set index page) to the languages listed above and then (3) removing the merge note from this page. YBG (talk) 06:00, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

(1)  Done (mostly) Verify that none of the deleted information is missing from this page.

The first =History= section doesn't immediately seem to be found in this article, so I will quote it here so it won't get lost:

The Swatis (Pashto: سواتي) are a Pashtun tribe of the Batani tribal confederacy of the Afghans, inhabiting the Hazara region in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province and the Provincially Administered Tribal Areas of Pakistan, mostly in the districts of Mansehra and Batagram, and to some extent in Kohistan as well, but a number of Swati lineages are settled in the Kashmir region. The Swatis are the largest tribal group of land owners in Mansehra and Battagram. Most of the Swatis speak Pashto, but many can also speak Hindko. Dari Persian was the official language of the Jahangiri sultans belonging to the Swati tribe, who ruled a kingdom stretching from Jalalabad and Bajaur to Kashmir, however it is no longer spoken now. The name Swati is associated with their initial settlement in Swat, but later on they migrated into Hazara on the eastern side of the Indus River. The Swatis adhere to Pashtunwali, the Pashtun tribal code, strictly and call it Swatiwali.

The second =History= section is almost verbatim from this article. The lead will be incorporated into the dab page. The =See Also= and =References= sections have nothing to add, so all that remains of task (1) is to determine whether any of the above paragraph needs to be incorporated elsewhere. YBG (talk) 06:33, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

(2)  Done Convert Swati language (Pakistan) from a redirect into a disambiguation page. YBG (talk) 05:36, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

(3)  Done Remove the merge note from this page. YBG (talk) 05:36, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

In view of Kwamikagami's bold move mentioned above, I have not waited for consensus to complete these tasks. YBG (talk) 05:36, 7 November 2012 (UTC) The lanaguage of Swat is mostky pashto.. and no one refers to pashto in swat as swati. Also no one in swat speaks hindko.. i.e. hindko is not the native language of swat, buner, shangla or dir. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerkhan007 (talk • contribs) 20:25, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 17:37, 23 October 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Swat, Pakistan → Swat District – This article should be named in line with all the other similar articles in Category:Districts of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. It makes no sense to have the "Pakistan" tag when there is no other place called "Swat" apart from the Swat River that flows through the district and Swat (princely state) which existed in the district until 1969. Green Giant (talk) 01:30, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Survey

• Support for consistency as mentioned above. YBG (talk) 04:48, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support for consistency , but also to be clear that this isn't about a Pakistan SWAT police unit. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:35, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support. It is natural disambiguation used by Dawn. Kauffner (talk) 16:47, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

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Sway Valley redirect

I've started a discussion at Talk:Swat River#Swat Valley redirect about making the redirect "Swat Valley" point here (Swat District) instead of there (Swat River). Please add your thoughts in that section on the other talk page. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:24, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Neutrality dispute

User:‎31.221.17.194 placed a Template:POV tag on this article accompanied by the following text:

"Seems more like a tourism guide, doesn't refer to education, conflict or the political structure or situation of the Swat"

I have moved the text here to avoid cluttering the article, and because the use of this tag requires a discussion on the talk page. Dendrite1 (talk) 10:59, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Languages of Khyber-Puhktunkhwa (Map)

Languages of Khyber Pukhtunkhwa (Pakistan Census 1998) http://www.pbs.gov.pk/sites/default/files/other/yearbook2011/Population/16-20.pdf

Map being used in various articles pertaining to languages of Khyber Pukhtunkhwa is incorrect and biased. It is showing tank as Seraiki speaking which is incorrect as majority of people in Tank speak Pashto. It is showing Karak as Hindko speaking while we know that almost 99% of the population of Karak is Pashto speaking Khattak. It is showing battagram as hindko speaking while we all know that most of the people in Battagram speak Pashto. Similarly, it is showing Shangla as hindko speaking, which is incorrect as most of the people their also speak Pashto. Finally, it is showing Toorghar district as Hindko speaking while we know most of the people their also speak Pashto. I think all this show biasness or incompetence on the part of the person who included that Map. Furthermore, it should also be noted that the map fails to show that most of the people on western side of Mansehra and Haripur speak Pashto, while most on western side of D.I.Khan also speak Pashto. I feel that the Map has grossly exaggerated the number of speakers of other languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerkhan007 (talk • contribs) 17:18, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

I have waited for long and due to lack of any source of the Language Map i have uniltaerly deleted the Map. Tigerkhan007 (talk) 18:30, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Churchill, who fought there in the Malakand campaign (The story of the Malakand Field Force), states cearly that almost all the people spoke Hindko, which is related to the Punjabi language of the Sikhs. It is entirely possible that the .ocals have beem forced to speak Pashto, given recent events. Historygypsy (talk) 22:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Mangalore – A viral error?

The paragraph covering the Taban destruction in the Swat Valley made reference to a location called Mangalore. The place nearest to Swat with that name is Mangalore, India, a seaport some 3326 km distant by road (though there is a spot just west of the Indian Border Post, Barki Road, Khalra, Punjab 143305, India, where there are very cross people waiting to shoot at anyone driving in either direction just there. There wouldn't be a spot with that name in Pakistan, as Mangalore (officially Mangaluru) is a Hindi name referring to the Hindu deity Mangaladevi, the presiding deity of the Mangaladevi temple. Obviously, not a word one would expect to see in Pakistan. I removed "Mangalore," but didn't put in a substitute; its absence doesn't significantly change the meaning of the sentence.

Interestingly, the same error appears in various Wikipedia pages, as well as on several other websites. Always sporting nearly identical wording, errors, and lack of supporting detail. Now, there is a city about 110 km south of the head of Swat Valley called Mingora. It is the largest commercial city in the Swat District, and a major tourist destination for people not coming from a hostile nation.

My theory is that at some point somebody wrote an article somewhere with "Mangalore" instead of "Mingora" (perhaps an auto-correct contribution). I suspect the origin to be a Wikipedia article; the writing style and persistent errors are unlikely to be penned by a professional. After that, the paragraph was copied and pasted, essentially verbatim, over and over, eventually making its way into a "legitimate" news source, which other Wikipedia contributors used as an authoritative source.

One little error, and then a copy-and-paste contagion?

/Bruce/ [aka Slasher] (talk) 19:46, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Famous villages

There are too many villages in swat but some of them like kuzabandai,charbagh,kabal,kanju and khwazakhela are discussable Shah Inamullah (talk) 22:41, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

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How is a "displacement of uxz population" even due for lead when it's not discussed under body? Indo Aryan languages still exist here so even more inaccurate. Axedd (talk) 20:22, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't realise that I was using my alt account. Regardless, that seems significant enough to warrant a line in the lede. If your concern is only that it's not discussed in the body, I will expand it in next few days. Sutyarashi (talk) 20:37, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

That's not my only concern. Indo Aryans never disappeared here. What's the quote from the refs? Axedd (talk) 22:51, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Also, the sources don't mention the Yousufzais Islamizing the region. Axedd (talk) 22:55, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

The Transformation of Afghan Tribal Society: Tribal Expansion, Mughal Imperialism and the Roshaniyya Insurrection, 1450-1600 This source discusses in details about the Yousufzai invasion of swat from it's "natives" nothing on Islam on the pages cited neither Indo Aryan. Axedd (talk) 23:16, 25 December 2024 (UTC)